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Another POV on the Ahmaud Arbery Killing: From a candidate for a GA Sheriff

This FB post if from James Herndon who is running for Sheriff in Cobb County (which is just north of Atlanta).

He grew up in South Georgia and, together with his law enforcement background, he adds some unique perspective to the analysis.

I know some conservatives will dismiss him as merely pandering for votes, but Cobb County is majority white and only 25% Black.

I especially appreciate his analysis of the issue of citizen's arrest and how to charge these killers.

https://www.facebook.com/Herndonforsheriff/posts/236960570979119?__tn__=K-R

I know most people running for office will not dare touch on the subject of Ahmaud Arbery being shot to death in Brunswick, GA. As many of you know, I am not like most candidates.

With that, let's address this head on. You may agree with what I have to say, you may not. But you will at least know where I stand and why.

I have watched the video of Mr. Arbery being shot to death probably 20 times now. I have listened closely. I have watched parts of it frame by frame. I have listened to the 911 calls. I have researched the background of Mr. Arbery (to defend the further assassination of his character) I have researched Georgia law. I bring this from the perspective of a man wanting to be your next sheriff, a man with years of experience in CSI and actually personally arresting dozens of men for murder.

What we have in this case is almost identical to the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman in Florida. In this case we have two men in Glynn County, Georgia attempting to intervene as if they are law enforcement when they are not. In both cases such a low level event should have been handled by law enforcement.

Not idiots with firearms.

In both cases I believe the armed men were the determining and driving factor in the deaths of the two men. In both cases I believe these men wanted to escalate the situations so the law would "allow" them to use deadly force. Both were escalated to the point of firearms being discharged by the armed men, not the victims.

As I watched this I noticed some things that will likely enrage people more once I explain it.

You see, I am from South Georgia myself. I recognized something in the video many people likely will not. When you see a truck parked in the middle of the road with an armed man standing on top of his tool box or in the bed of the truck armed with a gun, it indicates to me, that he is hunting an animal that is running. It is a common technique used to hunt running game in the Georgia flatwoods. It is actually unlawful to even hunt animals in this manner.

Deer hunters in southern Georgia often use dogs to chase deer through the forest until they pop out onto a road, exhausted with limited physical ability and clouded mental ability as they are run to exhaustion before the hunter kills the deer with his gun. The hunter stands on the truck tool box or in the truck bed to obtain a commanding view of the area to easily spot his prey and direct other shooters where the deer is and the optimal time to shoot.

This is what pushed me to seeing this as the hunting of a man and not any form of self defence or lawful act. It is disgusting in a visceral manner I can not put into words. When I saw the man on the truck and the other man with a shotgun I knew what was in store for Ahmaud. This was not something he could survive.

I know this will enrage many readers for various reasons. But to deal with such an issue means we must deal with the ugly, nasty things human being are capable of doing head on.

Here we have two men, just like in the Martin shooting in Florida, who called 911 first and still chose to hunt their prey down, Mr. Ahmaud Arbery, a man. They did not see him as their fellow man. They saw him as something to hunt down using tactics they used to hunt wild game in the south Georgia flatwoods. In both cases we are talking about misdemeanors. In this case we are talking about the offense of Criminal Trespass - a very low level misdemeanor. It is so low level that 99% of the time at most - a warning is given by police. Your kid can get this for throwing an egg at a house, that's the type of crime this is. In this case a person allegedly walked through a yard of a building under construction. That's it. Thats what we have here, if anything. We likely have two jackasses that think every black man looks alike.

The two perpetrators are claiming they were making a citizen's arrest. Under GA law, OCGA 17-4-60 it states "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion".

After listening to the 911 call and reading the police report it is clear no crime was committed in their presence and they had no right to run this man down like an animal they were hunting. The defense of a citizen's arrest is not a valid one under Georgia law in my view. (Police report is here: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1 ) You will note in the report Ahmaud Arbery is the victim and the other idiots are the suspects, at least that's how the responding officer saw it.

In the report, the shooter tells the officers that arrived on scene that Ahmaud did try to run away from them. That he actually went in the opposite direction trying to get away but they continued to pursue him trying to find the right angle to cut off his path of escape. These were not cops hunting down an armed fleeing danger to society. These were two idiots chasing a man they alleged to tresspass by walking onto propety they didn't even own.

Being the hunters I believe they are, they stated they decided to cut him off on another street to confront him as their experience as hunters allowed them to calculate his path in his attempted escape. As Ahmaud attempted to run around the truck the shooter gets out of the vehicle immediately armed with a shot gun. I believe the very first shot hit Ahmaud in the right side of his chest.

He is then in a fight for his life. You can't out run a shotgun. I honestly have no idea how he stayed on his feet. I have never seen anyone survive a shotgun blast to the chest. It is disarm or die for Ahmaud at this point. The only option is to disarm your attacker. In this case he was already fatally wounded in my opinion. He likely had numerous sucking chest wounds, massive blood loss and the exertion to defend his life caused him to lose his life even faster. He grapples for the gun with the shooter, delivering several punches as the shooter fires at least two more times. Aumaud disengages turns, steps, collapses and dies. No aid was given by the shooters as they likely knew a shotgun blast to the chest would be 100% fatal.

I often explain to people that just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Just because you can rarely means you should. I have watched many shootings, many from law enforcement. Most are justified. Some are NOT. You see as a cop or any other person, you can in fact provoke others to violence or cause them to play into situations where you can legally kill another human being "justifiably". We referred to these people as "shit stirrers". These are the type of people that could disrupt and escalate almost any situation to violence if they wanted. They want physical violence and set up situations so they can lawfully use it. These people very much exist in all walks of life. It is foul and it is disgusting. These people are monsters. I despise these types of people. Many people think there are no such thing as monsters. There are monsters. They are very real. Only human beings are monsters. We are the only species on the planet that will hurt one another for pleasure as sick and twisted as that sounds.

To be clear, when you hunt a person down, crime committed or not (especially a non violent alleged crime), you confront them with a firearm when you have no lawful right to do so, you trap them, block their path of escape then shoot and kill them when you provoked the situation to a violent confrontation...well, I believe you need to go to jail.

With all of that said these guys could very well walk if the prosecutor purposefully indicts them on charges that are too aggressive. Again, some of you are like wtf is he talking about?

I will explain.

In the Zimmerman case, the prosecutors purposefully over charged him with murder. With the facts given in that case I knew immediately that a jury could never find him guilty for murder, the facts didn't match a premeditated act as they could not prove Zimmerman set out to kill Martin before the confontation. Nor could they prove his intent. Confront, fight, pretend to be a cop, but not kill. Zimmerman did in fact cause the deadly situation that he started then used a firearm to kill. See, Martin also confronted a man with a gun and found himself fighting for his life before he was shot at close quarters. The jury was left without options as they did not have any other charges they could choose from as the prosecution only gave them one option.

In Glynn county Georgia, I am hoping a grand jury is presented with the following charges: Felony Murder under the right circumstances but this is very dependent on what is secretly presented to the grand jury that we can never hear. But at the very least Manslaughter, Aggravated Assault, False Imprisonment, possession of a fire arm during the commission of a crime, terroristic threats and acts and the traffic offenses. Why? A life sentence for murder in Georgia is currently 33 years before parole is considered. These charges I have listed will carry over 60 years that must be served before parole can even be considered (you currently must serve 90% of any crime of violence). See, you have to know how the legal system actually works to make it work for the people.

These men have no right to confront another person, provoke the situation into a deadly encounter, then use deadly force to end a situation they started and caused in the middle of a city street. That is not the way the law is intended to be enforced. You have no right to shoot a man in a mere fist fight or wrestling match. You have no right to kill a man for walking through a yard that doesn't even belong to you. They presented the guns which caused this situation to turn deadly. They in turn should be held to account for their actions before a jury.

Right, wrong or otherwise, this is my opinion and where I stand. I think you need to know where I stand on such issues and why. I am not one to shy away from tough topics and felt I should address this head on.

US Covid-19 Map by County infection/death rate


Someone here posted a link to a map that showed infection/death rates by geographic counties (not states), but I lost track of the link. My google-fu is too weak to find it on my own.

Anyone have it?

My Primary Pledge for the Duration.


After tonight I'm convinced that Biden will be our nominee. He's earned it.

I pledge I will no longer attack Biden on the issues or otherwise. As a candidate, he's earned my respect to do that.

I was on the fence for a long time between Warren and Sanders and finally got off that fence after Warren's brilliant Bloomberg takedown at the NV debate. But then she suspended her campaign soon thereafter.

I'm left with Bernie and I will happily vote for him in the GA Primary. My current choices are Biden, Gabbard, and Sanders. I wish I could still vote for Warren.

I understand that the Bernie bashing will continue as long as he is a candidate, and probably longer. Nevertheless, I'll stand down.

I hope this primary comes to a peaceful conclusion soon and we can focus on beating Trump.

Good night.


After money, politicians pay attention to voters most.


And that's why I encourage all of you to continue to vote for your preferred candidate even if they have dropped out (assuming they are still on your ballot).

Even if you are convinced that Biden will be the Democratic nominee, it will be noticed if Yang, Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, Sanders, etc still get votes.

Don't vote for someone merely because you think they will be the eventual nominee. If you vote for them, they think you like them the best.

Having said that I will vote for the Democratic nominee even if I wish they had retired from politics.


People said Bernie tied in IA and won in NH because they were white states.

But Bernie won bigger in the majority-minority state of NV.

I'm happy to see Warren in second place so far.


And nice job Bernie people.

I threw in for Warren after the NV debate, but I'm still happy with Bernie.

Bloomberg Ad "...I led a complex, diverse city through 9/11.."



Ooops. He wasn't mayor during 9/11.





Fred Guttenberg expelled from the gallery last night

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/i-will-do-better-parkland-victims-dad-apologizes-for-state-of-the-union-incident/2186724/

‘I Will Do Better’: Parkland Victim’s Dad Apologizes After State of the Union Protest

The father of a Parkland school shooting victim who was kicked out of Tuesday’s State of The Union address is apologizing after comments he yelled at President Donald Trump over gun control.

Fred Guttenberg, whose 14-year-old daughter Jamie was one of 17 people killed in the Feb. 14, 2018, shooting inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, was escorted out of the House chambers after he yelled at Trump following comments in which the President continued his support for gun rights.

"So long as I am president, I will always protect your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms," Trump had said to applause from Republicans before the outburst.

Guttenberg, a guest of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, then yelled out, "what about victims of gun violence like my daughter," a New York Times reporter tweeted.


Pelosi gave him the hand. Guttenberg was Pelosi's guest at the SOTU.

Joe's correct: Vote for someone other than him if you disagree with him


I keed, kind of.

I wondered if this was a Fox news affiliate set up, but I don't think it is. I wish the whole video were available for better judgment about what provoked Joe.

The handsy nature of Joe's response is weird.


https://www.kcci.com/article/biden-tells-des-moines-activist-vote-for-someone-else/30705659

Biden tells Des Moines activist 'vote for someone else' in tense exchange


DES MOINES, Iowa —
A video of Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden telling a Des Moines political activist to vote for someone else has received millions of views on social media.

Former Iowa legislator and Democrat Ed Fallon said his testy exchange with Biden occurred Sunday during a campaign stop at Urban Dreams in Des Moines.

He said he waited in line for a picture and wanted to confront Biden on his climate change proposals. Another member of Fallon's Bold Iowa group recorded their interaction.

"I'm going to support you if you win the nomination because we gotta get rid of (President Donald) Trump," Fallon said to Biden in the video.




Biden Says Marijuana Might Be A Gateway Drug

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2019/11/17/biden-says-marijuana-might-be-a-gateway-drug/?fbclid=IwAR3Lgfos0NH-Ujt2van3iNpFU19l8CrBIstxCWve5bA9wx_qJv-7lrfkCSs#4a435632130d

Former Vice President Joe Biden (D) said on Saturday that he’s not sure if marijuana is a gateway drug that leads to the use of other, more dangerous substances.

“The truth of the matter is, there’s not nearly been enough evidence that has been acquired as to whether or not it is a gateway drug,” the 2020 presidential candidate claimed at a town hall meeting in Las Vegas. “It’s a debate, and I want a lot more before I legalize it nationally. I want to make sure we know a lot more about the science behind it.”

That said, Biden added that while he doesn’t personally support ending cannabis prohibition, “states should be able to make a judgement to legalize marijuana.” “I think that’s OK,” he said.

Biden, who in past years has clearly said he thinks cannabis is a gateway drug and has a long record of supporting legislation to ramp up the war on drugs, was answering a voter’s question about whether his position on marijuana has changed.


Time to evolve, Joe. Gateway drug talk is as relevant as "Just say no."


eta: Trauma or Adverse Childhood Experiences is the real gateway to substance abuse and harm.
https://www.cmhnetwork.org/news/trauma-is-the-gateway-drug-an-aces-informed-approach-to-substance-abuse-treatment/
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