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Inquisitr again?

So, the user-generated aggregation site favored by Sanders supporters lately. Let's take a look at this byline...



Curious. No bio. Are these people even real?

Oh wait, I found her.

Amazon author profile

So what has Ms. Mooney written previously that would lend her the gravitas to tackle a high-profile anti-Clinton piece...let's see...

How to Publish a Book - Amazon Kindle Books Self-Publishing: Write eBooks Using Microsoft Word & Publish Them as Kindle Books - A Step-by-Step Guide with Photos to Help You Make Your Own Kindle Books. Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, does it? Basically, 10 bucks to show you how to convert an MS Word file to an eBook format (Psst, I'll tell you how to do it for free... calibre-ebook.com )

Make Money From Home Writing Books: 10 Real Writers Making $650 Per Month to Six Figures Per Year Self-Publishing eBooks Online (Make Money From Home Online). I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here...I think her plan is...wait for it....getting people to buy an eBook that tells you how to make money from home writing...eBooks. It's like an Ouroboros of Ingenuity!

From Slut to Saint

Many sex partners...
Several abortions...
But only One Savior...


As George would say...




It looks like Inquisitr truly is recruiting quality journalists...

Now that's actually a semblance of a point

Which is more than most have managed today, though I still disagree with it. The voters have chosen...or to be perfectly pedantic and precise, cause some around here like that, are about to choose...Hillary Clinton as the nominee.

Hell or high water, you dance with the one you brung. There would have to be absolutely, 100% crystal-clear dire doom afoot if we were to ever let a small group of people override the will of the primary voter, and I'm sorry but "I think my guy can beat the GOP" is not it. "She might be indicted" isn't it. Hell, let's pretend that Hillary literally was indicted, I'd STILL see it through, because the goddamn voters have picked it. We get who we deserve in a democracy, to paraphrase someone I don't care enough to google atm.

The only...literally the O-N-L-Y...scenario in the 40 years of the superdelegate existence I'd support the supers overthrowing the people would be if Lyndon motherfucking Larouche somehow wound up with the pledged delegate lead in one of his perennial campaigns. And that is only because I support any and all forms of disobedience, civil and otherwise, to disrupt racists. That's why I freely call for people to disrupt Trump's so-called "free speech" rights at his rallies.

If you're going to usurp a democratic process, you best be damn sure that bar is high. "Hillary might lose" is just a form of ends-justify-the-means

Why do Sanders supporters seem to want it both ways, regarding superdelegates?

The hue and cry for awhile now has been that superdelegates are an elitist group that can thwart the will of the voters, especially if they pledge to one candidate even though their state's primary or caucus is won by the other candidate. But, as Sanders is so far behind in the pledged delegate count and is almost certainly unlikely to catch Clinton in that area, his hope rests on wooing the superdelegates to his side despite that.

But this seems to raise a bit of a conundrum; is Bernie committing a bit of a moral faux pas if he solicits superdelegates from states that Hillary won? Should he feel obligated, on moral/ethical grounds, to refrain from contacting superdelegates in;

Alabama
American Samoa
Arizona
Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Guam
Illinois
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
New York
North Carolina
Northern Marianas
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia

?

By my rough/quick count of the superdelegate list, there's 198 superdelegates in states that Bernie has won, of which he already has 27...but if we're to be fair he'll have to renounce the 13 that are from Hillary-won states. These calculations go by winner-take-all-the-supers btw; figuring out a proportional allocation would be a bit time-consuming atm.

So if Bernie plays by the right way to do things, can he get enough supers?

Pretty sure this lie was debunked a month or so ago, but I'll do it again

3,023,373 is the reported Hillary margin.


Around 230,000 participated in the Washington St. caucus; if Sanders carried the state at 72.7%, that'd be a net of 104,420.

122,000 for Colorado, a 59% win nets 21,960.

46,000 for Maine, 64.3% win nets 13,156.

We're at 2,883,837, with the rest that may not have been included in the total...Alaska, Wyoming will only add negligible amounts.

Many...many. many...more people have voted for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders this primary season. No amount of obfuscated #berniemath can affect #realmath.

The superdelegates traditionally vote for the person who wins the most pledged delegates

So their role can at most be described as rubber-stamped ceremonial.

At the beginning, particularly after NH, Camp Sanders smugly assumed that their populist message would carry the day, that he would win the most pledged delegates and the overall (though symbolic) popular vote. They stamped and screamed about the superdelegates who had already pledged to Hillary, demanding that they be dissolved or compelled to vote for him so as to not counter the will of the voting public. It was insider politics, collusion, and so on, if they supers did not switch to him at the convention.

But a funny thing happened along the way to Bernie's coronation; he found he has zero appeal with people of color, women, and registered Democrats, thus he is now in an practically insurmountable pledged delegate hole. his only chance now...irony of ironies...is for the supers to do what he feared they'd do for Hillary; jump ship and vote for who they wanted rather than who the voters wanted.

Food for thought; what if "the base" isn't what you think it is?

There's a common catcall around here that Clinton is out of touch with the progressive base, i.e all those people that prefer Bernie. But what if the party is shifting along with the demographics of much of the nation? The US is bit by bit becoming less- dominated by white, Christian males; Trump is having a field day capitalizing on that fear. So what if the more important base of the party starts to become people like this;




and this



and this



and not so much this;


Perhaps the Sanders supporters can try online threats, that seems to work well

Bernie Sanders’s Supporters Press Hillary Clinton’s Superdelegates to Flip

Mr. Sanders and his backers are trying to cut into Mrs. Clinton’s large lead in pledged delegates by prying away some of her superdelegates. Rank-and-file Sanders activists have taken it upon themselves to assist, using social media, emails and phone calls in ways that have created a backlash among the very people Mr. Sanders is hoping to win over.

A California superdelegate backing Mrs. Clinton, Bob Mulholland, wrote a letter to Mr. Sanders this week saying the outreach to superdelegates from Sanders voters has gotten offensive, including calls coming late at night. Other superdelegates said they have gotten unwanted calls at work from Sanders backers, or have seen their Facebook pages flooded with warnings of political repercussions for supporting Mrs. Clinton.

1) Many AREN'T women, 2) Bernie himself called out the misogyny in his base

Bernie Sanders Tells Berniebros To Knock It Off — ‘We Don’t Want That Crap’

“We don’t want that crap”: Sanders repudiates sexist “Bernie Bro” supporters

Sanders slams sexist ‘Bernie bro’ supporters: ‘I don’t want that crap, I don’t want them’

This encapsulates what is wrong with some Sanders supporters

When most of the African-American community decides to go with Clinton instead of Sanders, it can't be because they honestly believe in her message and vision. No, it must be because she tricked and hoodwinked them with lies and two-faced maneuvers.

Do you have any self-awareness here, of how demeaning that is to the A-A community? That they are easily duped rubes? Yes, "Bernie is simply offering us Bernie", and the majority of them did not agree with that. Sanders himself is an intelligent man, and no doubt will reflect on this after the election's over and think "what can I do do better appeal to this community of people"

He certainly will not take your tack and wonder "how did Hillary sucker these people away from me?"

What this primary season has show me so far is that Bernie Sanders, while he is not my #1 choice, is a fundamentally a good person. His supporters could learn a lot from him.
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