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"William Barr's Wonderful Letter"

Some excerpts from a blog:

Remember all of the sealed indictments?



Here is page 2 of Barr’s letter. Now here is why I think it is actually wonderful.

“During the course of his investigation, the Special Counsel also referred several matters to other offices for further action.”

That line confirms our report of yesterday – Mueller handed off prosecutions to main Justice divisions as he went along.

2. “The report does not recommend any further indictments, nor did the Special Counsel obtain any sealed indictments that have yet to be made public.”

That is entirely compatible with dozens of sealed indictments sitting at the branches of main Justice, sealed indictments obtained as Mueller went along, referring out his cases.

Next, in a section which describes how Mueller defines collusion with Russia, we have these sentences.

3. “The report further explains that a primary consideration for the Special Counsel’s investigation was whether any Americans — including individuals associated with the Trump campaign — joined the Russian conspiracies to influence the election, which would be a federal crime. The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”


How could Mueller say Donald J Trump Jr committed treason when the man hasn’t even seen the inside of a courtroom? In fact, were Mueller to say anything of the sort, the defense could claim their trials were prejudiced! Mueller’s conclusions before a trial would be a functional grant of immunity!

4. “As noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA in its efforts, although the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian nationals and entities in connection with these activities.”

Again, all that is happening here is Barr is telling Americans what categories of crimes the probe is going charge these domestic traitors with. The Special Counsel indicted Russians who will never see an American courtroom, to serve his overall investigation; note the “did not find that any U.S. person” – because a U.S. person, (such as this reporter) is entitled to a fair trial. It is not for Mueller to “find” they conspired before a jury of their peers does the same.

5. “The second element involved the Russian government’s efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian military officers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for the purposes of influencing the election. But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

If you are reading the tea leaves the way I am, this is the paragraph you love most of all. From here we lack the generic “US persons” that might describe somebody outside the Trump campaign, like Cassandra Fairbanks. This paragraph on hacking is limited in it’s “did not find” to the Trump campaign and associates. If I am correct, that means that Mueller will allege, but will not “find”, the actual Trump campaign helped Russia hack the DNC and worked with Wikileaks.

Then there is the boring bit on obstruction, which I will leave to others to analyze and debate. Sometimes it is good that a journalist should be somewhat of an ornery person. Tonight, on March 24th, I write this blog knowing that the entire American press corps takes a different view. And it is certainly possible – it is statistically probable – that they are right. But grammatically, they are not right.
In fact, the report neither found, nor declared. any such thing
Mueller Report didn’t say that

“Report declares Trump didn’t coordinate” “Mueller finds no conspiracy” “Mueller report says no collusion” – all of those characterizations are flat wrong. What the letter says is a negative, not a positive. Mueller’s report does not find a crime of collusion, does not establish Trump campaign personnel joining with Russians; Mueller did not find that Trump’s campaign staff helped Russia and Wikileaks hack. At the risk of sound like your second grade English teacher, “did not establish conspiracy” is not the same as “established there was no conspiracy”; “did not find collusion” is not the same as “found no collusion”.

Am I parsing words? No. I’m not. Because “found no collusion” means Mueller declared the President innocent. “Did not find collusion” means, in my opinion, that Bob Mueller is likely to deliver a report like an Exocet missile, a report that reads like an indictment – and an indictment is not a conviction. At the same time, the prosecutions sent out to main US attorney’s offices will start to be revealed. Because, as Tom Cruise says of Jack Nicholson at the end of “A Few Good Men” – “The witness has rights”.

And the much reviled Bill Barr, along with Rod Rosenstein, drafted a letter that, over and over, emphasized that Mueller had not found, established, or proved, guilt. Because to say otherwise would be to prejudice the trials of the loathsome batch of traitors who are laughing tonight, as I write this piece, but whom, I hope and expect, will be crying tomorrow – or on one tomorrow in the very near future.









The AG cannot comment on a sealed indictment that is pending. It is sealed. He cannot comment on pending cases, or prejudice a jury. Just because he is both allowed and mandated to talk about the Mueller Report, he is not allowed to talk about prosecutions filed under seal at other offices. Barr is sticking to the rules.

As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Now, here is where I think the letter actually gets brilliant. AG Barr points out that any American joining in the Russian conspiracies would be committing a federal crime. And what do people who have committed crimes have the right to?

Why, fair trials – and due process. You see, I believe that this means Mueller’s report will lay out the evidence he has found, or some of it, and then state that he has referred the criminal matters for trial.

Barr’s letter carefully states that “the Special Counsel’s office did not find”…. and Mueller uses the even more careful words “The investigation did not establish…”

“Establish” is a nice legal word. It means, in this context, “prove definitively”. And of course Mueller could not in fact “establish” this – he could not “find” this – because that is the job of a jury!


Link:
https://patribotics.blog/2019/03/25/william-barrs-wonderful-letter/

Note to Leadership: Climate Change Issue helped turn Reagan Country Blue

According to MSNBC reporter Chris Jansen, climate change was one of the most pressing issue on the minds of voters she interviewed, and it's an issue that many of the newly elected House members ran on. A planned two day conference is not enough.

French President Macron: "Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism"

In his address to World Leaders French President Macron proclaimed that, "Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism."


A dig at Trump?

India India Calls Dolphins ‘Non-Human Persons’, Bans In-Captivity Shows

Source: Epoch Times of India

India’s Ministry of Environment and Forests, has banned public entertainment shows by captive dolphins calling it morally unacceptable

“Cetaceans in general are highly intelligent and sensitive, and various scientists who have researched dolphin behavior have suggested that the unusually high intelligence compared to other animals means that dolphins should be seen as ‘non-human persons’ and as such should have their own specific rights and it is morally unacceptable to keep them captive for entertainment purposes.”

Basker mentions that more countries need to come up with such policies to prevent more Dolphins from being captured. “Mentioning Dolphins as ‘non-human persons’ gives huge impetus to the Animal Rights discourse in the world. It’s a great statement,” he says.

Basker believes that the essence of this statement is that keeping Dolphins under captivity is cruel. “Under the aegis of the Wildlife Protection Act of India, Dolphins are protected as are any other species. By mentioning them as non-human persons, the government has probably tried to heighten their status under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act of 1960.”

Read more: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/73290-india-calls-dolphins-non-human-persons-bans-in-captivity-shows/



Cetaceans deserve "person-hood" status. Corporations? Not so much.

How do I delete my account?

Obviously there is a concerted effort to ignore my posts, unless of course the replies are mostly inflammatory. A very popular member here once told me that there are groups of "insiders" who actively organize smear campaigns on various people at various times.

I suspect it is because I had a thread a year ago that had 637 recs. Pretty sure thats more than any non-election related thread ever....

ANd now I can't get one. hmmmm


Say the word, and I will leave.

A small sampling of the 97% of the mentally ill who are not violent

http://amandagreenauthor.co.uk/300-famous-people-celebrities-who-have-suffered-with-mental-illness-or-issues-help-highlight-the-stigma-in-our-society/

The percentage of mentally ill people who actually have shot and killed people is probably less than one percent.
on edit:
http://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/20000507mental8.asp

Feel free to add to the list. It does not have to be a famous person. It can be your brother or your mother.

Bill Oddie: bipolar
Billy Joel: alcohol and depression
Billy Joel: clinical depression
Boris Yeltsin: clinical depression
Brian Wilson: bipolar disorder
Britney Spears: bipolar and post natal depression
Brooke Shields: postpartum depression
Burgess Meredith: bipolar disorder
Buzz Aldrin: clinical depression
Calvin Coolidge: clinical depression (speculated)
Carly Simon: social phobia
Carmen Miranda: clinical depression
Caroline Aherne: major depressive disorder
Carrie Fisher: bipolar disorder, substance abuse;
Cary Grant: clinical depression
catherine zeta jones: bipolar II
Charles “Buddy” Bolden: schizophrenia
Charles Darwin: severe panic disorder
Charles Dickens: clinical depression; bipolar disorder (suspected)
Charles Faust: schizophrenia
Charles Schulz: clinical depression
Charles Schwab: dyslexia
Charley Pell: clinical depression
Charley Pride: bipolar disorder; alcoholism
Clara Bow: clinical depression
Cole Porter: clinical depression; alcoholism; paranoid delusions; obsessive-compulsive disorder (speculated)
Connie Francis: clinical depression
Courtney Love: drub abuse, clinical depression
Craig Ferguson: alcoholic
Craig McCaw: dyslexia
Dame Kelly Holmes: depression and self harm
Damon Wayans :clinical depression
Daniel Johns :clinical depression; anxiety disorder;eating disorder
Danny Glover learning disability
Darryl Strawberry :clinical depression
David Boies: dyslexia
David Bowie :crying but not diagnosed but lots of family mental health issues
David Murdock: dyslexia
Delta Burke: depression and compulsive hoarding
Denise Welch: nervous breakdown
Diane Arbus: clinical depression
Dick Cavett depression – found electro shock therapy helpful
Dick Clark: clinical depression
Dimitrius Underwood: bipolar disorder
DMX: bipolar
Dolly Parton: clinical depression
Donald Trump: possible OCD
Donny Osmond: clinical depression; social phobia
Dorothy Day: clinical depression
Doug Ferrari: borderline personality disorder
Doug Flutie, Jr.: autism
Drew Barrymore :clinical depression; alcoholism, substance abuse;
Drew Carey :clinical depression
Dwight Gooden: clinical depression
Earl Campbell: panic disorder
Edgar Allan Poe: clinical depression (speculated); alcoholism
Edward McVaney: dyslexia
Elizabeth Hartman: clinical depression (speculated)
Elton John: substance abuse and bulimia
Emily Carr: various speculations, neurasthenia; hypochondriasis; clinical depression; conversion disorder; schizophrenia:
Emily Dickenson: depression
Emma Thompson: clinical depression
Eric Clapton: clinical depression
Ernest Hemingway: clinical depression
Eugene O’Neill: clinical depression
F. Scott Fitzgerald clinical depression
Fiona Phillips: depression
Frances Lear: bipolar disorder;, substance abuse
Francis Ford Coppola: bipolar disorder
Frank Bruno: bipolar
Frank Lloyd Wright: clinical depression
Gaetano Donizetti: bipolar disorder
Gail Porter: post natal depression
George Eliot (Marian Evans): clinical depression
George Michael :depression and fear
George S. Patton: clinical depression; dyslexia
George Washington: learning disability
Georgia O’Keeffe : clinical depression
Graeme Obreez; depression
Halle Berry z;suicide attempt
Harrison Ford ; clinical depression
Harry Andersen: learning disability
Hart Crane: clinical depression; alcoholism
Heath Ledger: depression, anxiety and sleep depravation
Henry Winkler: learning disability
Herb McCauley: bulimia nervosa
Hermann Hesse: clinical depression
Herschel Walker : dissociative identity disorder
Howard Hughes: OCD (clinical depression and psychosis both speculated
Howard Stern: obsessive-compulsive disorder
Howie Mandel: obsessive-compulsive disorder
Hugh Laurie: depression
Hunter Tylo: clinical depression
Irving Berlin: clinical depression
Isaac Newton: bipolar disorder (suspected)
J.P. Morgan bipolar disorder
Jack Dee: depression
Jack Farrell: clinical depression
Jack Irons: bipolar disorder
Jack Kerouac: clinical depression, substance abuse, severe alcoholism;
Jackson Pollock: clinical depression; substance abuse
Jaco Pastorius: bipolar disorder; alcoholism; substance abuse
James Dean: Bradfield bipolar
James Forrestal: clinical depression
James Garner: clinical depression
James Taylor: clinical depression; bipolar disorder
Jane Fonda: bulimia nervosa
Jane Pauley: bipolar
Janet Jackson: clinical depression
Jean-Claude Van Damme: bipolar disorder
Jessica Alba: OCD and eating disorder
Jessica Lange: clinical depression
Jim Carrey: clinical depression
Jimmy Piersall: bipolar disorder
Joan Rivers: clinical depression; bulimia nervosa
Joey Kramer: clinical depression
Joey Slinger: clinical depression
John Chambers: dyslexia
John Daly bipolar disorder; alcoholism, gambling addiction;
John Forbes Nash: schizophrenia (paranoid-type)
John Gibson: bipolar disorder
John Kenneth Galbraith: clinical depression
John Madden: specific phobia (flying)
John Mulheren: bipolar disorder
John Nash:schizophrenia
John Quincy Adams: clinical depression
Jose Canseco: clinical depression
Joshua Logan: bipolar disorder
Judy Garland: clinical depression;,substance abuse
Jules Feiffer: clinical depression
Julie Krone post-traumatic stress disorder; clinical depression
Justine Bateman: eating disorders
Karen Carpenter: anorexia nervosa
Karen Kain: clinical depression
Kate Millett bipolar disorder
Katie Price/:Jordan post natal depression
Keisha Buchanan: depression
Kendall Gill clinical depression
Kim Basinger: panic disorder
Kitty Dukakis bipolar disorder, alcoholism; substance abuse;
Kris Kristopherson: clinical depression; substance abuse
Kristy McNichol: bipolar disorder
Kurt Cobain: attention deficit disorder and bipolar depression
Kurt Vonnegut: clinical depression/bipolar
Kylie Minogue: depression
Larry Flynt: bipolar disorder
Larry King: clinical depression
Lawton Chiles: clinical depression
Lenny Henry: depression
Leo Tolstoy: clinical depression; hypochondriasis; alcoholism; substance abuse
Leonard Bernstein: clinical depression
Leonard Cohen: clinical depression
Lewis Preston: dyslexia
Linda Hamilton: bipolar disorder
Lionel Aldridge: schizophrenia (paranoid-type)
Lord Bragg: depression
Ludwig van Beethoven: bipolar disorder
Macy Gray: bipolar
Marc Summers: obsessive-compulsive disorder
Margaret Trudeau Kemper: bipolar disorder
Margaux Hemingway: dyslexia; alcoholism; clinical depression (speculated)
Margot Kidder: manic depression (Bipolar) and paranoia
Marie Osmond: clinical depression, post-partum
Marilyn Monroe: clinical depression/suicide
Mark Rothko: clinical depression
Marsha Linehan: bpd
Meg Mathews: depression
Megan Fox ??? She hasn’t been diagnosed
Mel C: depression
Mel Gibson: bipolar
Melinda Messenger: depression
Meriwether Lewis: clinical depression
Michael Phelps: attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)
Mike Tyson: depression and severe insecurities and anger
Mike Wallace: clinical depression
Morrissey (S.P.) clinical depression
Murray Pezim: bipolar disorder
Natalie Cole: clinical depression
Ned Beatty: bipolar disorder
Neil Lennon: depression
Neil Simon: clinical depression
Nelson Rockefeller: dyslexia
Nicole Kidman: panic attacks on the red carpet
Norman Mailer: clinical depression
Ozzy Osbourne: bipolar
Pablo Picasso :clinical depression
Pat Lafontaine: clinical depression
Patricia Cornwell:bipolar disorder, anorexia nervosa, anorexia bulimia;;
Patrick Kennedy: clinical depression
Patsy Palmer: depression and panic attacks
Patty Duke: bipolar disorder
Paul Gascoigne: clinical depression
Paul Simon: clinical depression
Paula Abdu:l bullimia nervosa
Paula Deen: Agoraphobia and panic attacks
Pete Harnisch: clinical depression
Peter Gabriel: clinical depression
Peter Greene: schizophrenia
Phil Spector: clinical depression/bipolar (well, he MAY have shot someone)
Pierre Péladeau: bipolar disorder
Princess Diana Bulimia nevosa, depression and multiple suicide attempts
Queen Victoria: clinical depression
Ray Charles: clinical depression
Richard Branson dyslexia
Richard Dreyfuss: clinical depression/bipolar
Richard Simmons: anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa;
Richey James: clinical depression, anorexia nervosa;;alcoholism
Rick Springfield: clinical depression
Ricky Williams: social phobia
Robbie Williams: depression
Robert Boorstin: bipolar disorder
Robert Campeau: bipolar disorder
Robert Lowell: bipolar disorder
Robert McFarlane: clinical depression
Robert Munsch: bipolar disorder
Robert Young: clinical depression; alcoholism
Robin Williams: clinical depression, learning disability;
Rod Steiger: clinical depression
Rodney Dangerfield: clinical depression
Roseanne: dissociative identity disorder (aka “multiple personality disorder”); obsessive-compulsive disorder; clinical depression; agoraphobia
Rosemary Clooney: bipolar
Ruby Wax: depression
Russell Grant: depression
Sandra Dee: anorexia nervosa
Sarah Lancashire: depression
Sarah McLachlan: clinical depression
Scott Donie: clinical depression
Shayne Corson: panic attacks
Shecky Greene: bipolar disorder, with severe panic attacks
Sheryl Crow: clinical depression
Sigmund Freud: clinical depression
Sinead O’Connor: bipolar
Sir Anthony Hopkins: clinical depression
Sir Elton John: bulimia nervosa; substance abuse, alcoholism;
Sophie Anderton: drug addiction and depression
Spencer Tracy: clinical depression; alcoholism
Spike Milligan: bipolar disorder
Stephen Fry: bipolar depression
Steve Blass: social phobia
Steve Sax: social phobia
Sting (Gordon Sumner): clinical depression
Susan Powter: clinical depression
Syd Barrett: schizophrenia
Sylvia Plath: clinical depression
Tammy Wynette: clinical depression, substance abuse;
Ted Turner: bipolar disorder
Tennessee Williams: clinical depression
Theodore Dreiser: clinical depression
Thomas Alva Edison: dyslexia
Thomas Eagleton: clinical depression
Tiberius: clinical depression (speculated)
Tipper Gore: clinical depression
Tom Cruise: dyslexia
Tony Slattery: bipolar
Tracey Gold: anorexia nervosa, attention deficit disorder;
Tracy Thompson: clinical depression
Trisha Goddard: depression
Tulisa’s mum .Tulisa’s mum had scizoaffective disorder
Uma Thurman: depression
Vaslav Nijinsky: schizophrenia
Veronica Lake: schizophrenia; alcoholism
Vincent Foster: clinical depression (speculated)
Vincent van Gogh: clinical depression; bipolar disorder (speculated)
Vivien Leigh: bipolar disorder after miscarriage
Walker Percy: clinical depression
Walt Disney: dyslexia
Whoopi Goldberg: dyslexia
William Hewlett: dyslexia
William Styron clinical depression
Winona Ryder: clinical depression; anxiety
Winston Churchill bipolar disorder; dyslexia
Woodrow Wilson: dyslexia
Yves Saint Laurent: clinical depression


You may wonder why there aren't more peole with more severe forms of illness in this list. Well, the reasons are many, including shyness due to increased stigma, less ability to function well enough to contribute to society, incapcitation, and institutionalization and wrongful incarceration.

It bares repeating on this forum that the more severly mentally ill are twice as likely to be the victims of violence rather than catylists of it. Given that statstic, one has to wonder how many of the tiny fraction of mentally ill people who wind up doing something violent are simply defending themselves, and/or reacting to serontonin overload brought on by SSRI medications, as well as side effects from other mind and mood altering medications. (see black box warnings, PDR entires on various medications)

Based on facts, neither is assuming the killer was mentally ill.

Which is already the assumption of pundits far and wide. It's no different than assuming the killer was a black man before knowing the facts.
And that is one of the reasons why the mentally ill are more likely to be VICTIMS of crime than perpetrators of it. Your normal neighbor is just as likely to kill someone (or many) as a person with a mental illness. But not as likely to be a victim of a violent crime as a person with a mental illness.
Interesting how that works.
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