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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:12 PM
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So when Boehner and the other loonies read the
Constitution next week, will he admit that he was completely wrong when he quoted the Declaration of Independence and not the constitution.

If he doesn't will Nancy remind him - please Nancy!!! :evilgrin:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:21 PM
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1. They'll ignore anything that doesn't conform to their existing mind-set.
Trust me, I've got family with whatever mental disease they have, and there's no changing those minds.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:23 PM
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2. oh the irony of the bu$h* lovers....
they had no problem when george squatted over the constitution....none whatsoever.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:41 PM
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3. This is another publicity stunt.
They already used up the Contract schtick.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/TJiqHod5LBI/AAAAAAAADbM/Pk_zbVRh3Lk/s400/contract+with+america.jpg

...and they already brought the elephant extravaganza to DC.


...and their "Pledge to America" was a complete flop.


So this reading of the Consitution is the only gimmick they could come up with.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:50 PM
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4. I suspect that the intention is to go back to a Federalist interpretation
of the Constitution which they will argue will allow for the dismantling of all social programs and many other things including environmental laws, etc....They are going to use this right off the bat to trash the Health Care Law. This is why they are doing it.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:03 PM
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5. Are they actually planning
to read the Constitution? I don't think it's part of starting the new Congress.

I recall reading some years back, probably in the mid-70's, that someone had gone around trying to get people to sign various petitions. The petitions were actually one or another of the Bill of Rights, otherwise known as the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Most people, if I recall correctly, refused. Some thought that what they were being asked to sign was something totally illegal. It would be quite interesting to try that again. Personally, I'd start with the 4th amendment, the one about unreasonable searches, and see if passengers waiting in the TSA line would be willing to sign.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:15 PM
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6. They will read the Constitution aloud on Jan. 5
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/12/29/GOP-House-to-lead-reading-of-Constitution/UPI-98231293653356/

The incoming Republican Congress, in a nod to the Tea Party's electoral success, will require legislators to cite the Constitution with every proposed law.

When the GOP-controlled House convenes for the first time Jan. 5, legislators will read the Constitution aloud and then require all bills to cite the constitutional authority to enact any given law, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

"It appears that the Republicans have been listening," Jeff Luecke, a Tea Party organizer in Dubuque, Iowa, told the Post. "We're so far away from our founding principles that, absolutely, this is the very, very tip of the iceberg. We need to talk about and learn about the Constitution daily."
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:22 PM
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7. Thanks.
I just finally scrolled down and found a post that mentioned it.

That's actually a very good idea. The reading aloud part that is. Requiring all bills to cite the constitutional authority will get very interesting.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:29 PM
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9. They should read it for the Orange man
He thinks the Declaration of Independence is the Constitution
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:39 PM
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11. And they are busy in a back room somewhere coming up with their own interpretation
of the various parts of the US Constitution. General Welfare will not apply to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Unemployment insurance will be a states only program.
General Welfare will have something to do with the Military protecting the general population. Bet on it. They are paranoid, think Check Points or metal detectors going into shopping centers.

They do not think as we do. Reality is something to be defended against, not something made of facts and truth.

I would not get too excited over this 'Reading and applying the Constitution' to new bills. It's just another con job.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:25 PM
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13. What you are missing is the way R tea baggers read the line about general welfare
The document line is promote the general welfare instead of provide general welfare, you have to realize english comprehension is not the R tea baggers cup of tea.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:48 PM
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14. My version of the US Constitution reads:
Edited on Fri Dec-31-10 05:48 PM by RC
Section 8.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and PROVIDE FOR THE common defense and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;..."

It is the Preamble that has he word 'promote'. That "error" is too easy to call them on because the word "provide" in the Constitution itself and is tied to the "...common defense..." They don't seem have much to say after that.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:56 PM
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15. Ok, sorry I'm half asleep from going to bed at 4am then getting woke up at
7am so I could drive the step kid back home this morning, 125 miles there and back. Rain/fog and cell phone users make for a very long trying drive. Anyhow thanks for the information I knew both words were used but wasn't sure what one came first, but again I have heard wing nut tea bagged R's use that crap about promoting and not providing.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:26 PM
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8. It'll just make them more ignorant
As they will have the bare words without the case law. They will think they know more than constitutional law professors do.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:37 PM
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10. How many of those hard words will they miss pronounce?
Edited on Fri Dec-31-10 04:42 PM by Drale
I bet a bunch lol

EDIT: How many right wing bills will die because they can not cite the constitution? I know this is the crazy right wingers thinking that this will kill any left wing bills, but most of our bills we can cite with "promote the general Welfare".
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:57 PM
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12. You think they'll be surprised . . .
When they find out it's Congress' job to make laws, not interpret them?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:34 PM
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16. Ya think they even know the difference?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 12:32 AM
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17. I'm a charitable kind of guy
But you're probably right.
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