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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 03:15 AM
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The China Panic
Edited on Tue Apr-26-11 03:25 AM by JackRiddler
2010 Nominal GDP, in dollars:



US = almost 15 trillion USD
China = almost 6 trillion USD

Population
US = 300 million
China = 1.6 billion

Area: About equivalent.

Environmental degradation caused per unit time: Soon also to be equivalent.

Now the IMF predicts China's GDP will achieve parity with the US GDP in 2016.

I worry about poisoning the oceans and the die-off of species and atmospheric emissions and resource depletion and the fall in fresh-water levels. I worry about nuclear war and the consequences of "peaceful" nuclear energy. I worry about global class war and the many hot wars and corporate rule and dictatorships and the thousand injustices that the world's peoples suffer, in China worse even than elsewhere. I look for ways to stand with my sisters and brothers in the Chinese labor colonies that produce for the bloated multinational conglomerates, the common enemies of humankind.

These tend not to be issues on which the IMF issues urgent declarations.

I don't worry about China's rulers getting a turn to play Number One on top of this planetary shitpile, which is experiencing a global crisis, as the economy is based on unsustainable practices and the civilization is recklessly destroying its own ecological basis.

I don't expect too many DU people to be invested in the China panic propaganda. It smells so familiar, after seeing the Soviet threat and the Japanese threat and now even the Terra-ist threat come and go.

True, a mere devaluation of the dollar by one-half (nothing that remarkable in historic terms) and a couple more years of differential growth would make the Chinese GDP equivalent to the US, although China would still have five times the population. (Such a shift would also have some dramatic consequences on Chinese currency reserves and export markets, and who knows all the dominoes that would tumble, and what the result would be.)

Achieving GDP parity in nominal terms would hardly make China into the new world overlord. There will be no new single overlord.

I say the current vintage of China Panic is part of the ongoing neoliberal offensive to force through greater austerity in the United States (but without tax increases or cuts in "defense").

In the China Panic, the IMF and the major ratings agencies (who are criminally culpable for the Wall Street financial frauds and the crash of 2008, and should have been shut down as a result) are singing in tune with what the American billionaires and policymaking elite are already pushing as "inevitable."

Their idea of dealing with "the crisis of US power" is not to withdraw the 800 overseas bases and end the multiple wars and occupations, or to invest in the urgently necessary energy and transport conversions, but to cut pensions and health plans and wages, and it certainly is not to restore a measure of income equality and thus the ability of the people to exert demand.

Their idea of what is to be done is to bust unions, to lengthen working hours and make even more people redundant, and for the public sector to stop paying for libraries and colleges. They would apply the same program they've disastrously imposed on dozens of poor nations around the globe.

When that happens, when 2/3 of the American people are impoverished, then the IMF and Co. will discover that the US is in much better shape as an economy than they thought, and still a totally important and indispensable Leader of the World.

The real question is growing ancient: Socialism or barbarism?

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 03:42 AM
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1. Addendum: Language programs in the US.
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I read someone on another board express a typical sentiment in the US nowadays:

About four years ago, my grandson who was in eighth grade asked me how to pronounce an "a" which had a semicircle over it. I replied "ah" and inquiring further, discovered he was being taught Chinese in school.
Later, I asked a very knowledgeable friend if Chinese was being taught so that we could understand our masters or our underlings could understand us.
I knew the answer; I just wanted confirmation.


The reality is another SAD situation. Only 4 percent of US schools teach Chinese. Meanwhile, language programs of all kinds have been ended at a great many schools. An NY Times article about the growth in Chinese language instruction contained the following graphic, which is most notable for showing the appalling decline in language instruction generally:





http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/education/21chinese.html

WASHINGTON — Thousands of public schools stopped teaching foreign languages in the last decade, according to a government-financed survey — dismal news for a nation that needs more linguists to conduct its global business and diplomacy.


Worse! A people who are woefully insular and deprived of the richness that languages lend to life.

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:59 PM
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6. Yikes..
Taking Mandarin must be so difficult, there must be over 10,000 kanji characters. Japanese has less. Someday I will have to tackle Japanese Kanji.. and maybe Korean, because I heard that Hangul is easier to learn.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:20 PM
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8. Kanji is a sign that China, whatever else it is, does not have imperialism as THE top priority.
That isn't to say that China won't act according to imperialist strategy, and pursue its interests of power and economics as they are conventionally understood, including at the expense of other places.

But if China wants to play World Overlord, they'd introduce and promote a phonetic (and Latinate) alphabet tomorrow, removing perhaps the main obstacle to learning the Chinese languages.

Of course, this would represent a fundamental change in Chinese culture and identity going back thousands of years -- and is thus an indicator that China does not aim at being the new superpower as THE top priority.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:35 PM
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9. Don't bet on it...
China will never switch over to a "latinate" alphabet. People who do learn Mandarin may start out
using "pinyin" but eventually move to hanzi, just as in people who learn Japanese start with Romaji and switch over, first to Hiragana, Katakana and then later Kanji.

Believe me if they do play "World Overloard" people will be writing in the language whose country is dominate. Then again, with electronic translators becoming more and more accurate, people may have to use them or have someone who speaks the language fluently. (I have a friend, who speaks five languages fluently. She speaks; Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean, Japanese and English. I still struggle with my second language from time to time, but I am getting better.)

Translators are not quite there yet. Its simple to see how far off they are. One can go to a bablefish translator, type in a sentence in English, then translate it to Spanish, then to French, then German, Japanese, Korean, Mandarin and then back to English, and you will get something that has no meaning whatsoever.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:42 PM
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10. I think we agree.
You're saying they place higher value on what they have been and are than on what they would have to become to most efficiently play the Superpower role (which in any case is a kind of science fiction -- there will never again be a single superpower after the US). The difficulty of the language forecloses on the possibility of universal cultural reach. But to make it easier would cause it to cease to be quite what it is. Conversely English has owed its success to an enormous flexibility, a willingness to adopt from everyone and to simplify for everyone.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:57 PM
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11. You are right that English is flexiable...
From the Japanese comes the word Tsunami. Which is now acceptable over the previous term Tidal Wave. Knowing Japanese as I do, they have also adoptive words. Here is a list of some of my
favorites:

Pan (spanish) which means bread.
Kohi- Coffee
Kamera- Camera
tepurekoda - tape recorder
Aisu kuremu- ice cream
Fuirumu - film
Gorufu - Golf
Hoteru- Hotel
Jogingu - Jogging
Terebi - TV
Tenisu - Tennis
bideo - video
kakkoi - cool!
Orenji - Orange
biru - beer
takushi -taxi
rajio - radio
kukki - cookie
keeki - cake
reinkoto- raincoat
pinku- pink
basu - bus
supu- soup
beddo- bed
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 02:58 PM
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12. Thank you for an interesting and funny list of Japanese-English words!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:02 AM
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2. kicking
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 11:54 AM
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3. kick
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:49 PM
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4. Oi, people, don't just recommend -- if you like it, KICK IT!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:07 PM
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15. (sigh)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:53 PM
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5. Gee. Manufacturing must be better for an economy than Finance.
Long-term.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 03:32 PM
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13. Thanks! A visit from the local gods is always appreciated.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:14 PM
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7. I would gladly trade superpower status for a country which embraces education, infrastructure and
public transportation, and universal health care.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:19 PM
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14. me ditto!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 01:13 PM
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16. final kick
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