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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:49 PM Original message |
"Any child a woman has while she's married to a man, the law considers to be his child." |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, ex husbands have successfully gotten out of paying support |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. really!! that is sad. because to a child he IS the father. and that bond should be worth more |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Insanity to assume anyone should be financially enslaved to a child |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. "Some men just want an excuse" Really? |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. no they would be the one who are probably mad at the mother and want to get back at her |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. In cases of Paternity fraud... |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. i am sorry, but i am thinking of the kid. i think it should depend though. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I get what you say but.. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. hmm |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. True, it's close to home, Friend got nearly F'd by this stuff... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #55 |
128. Despite The Innocent Child. . . |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Not being the father is a pretty good excuse for not paying for a kid |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
78. While I agree up to a point... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. I would think that pro-choice heads would explode |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
86. Excuse me? These are children born within a marriage. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. The person in question didn't "own" the wife ever. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is true in Illinois |
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minavasht (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. And this is fair how? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Better that than a child do without |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
82. How about going after the actual father? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #82 |
108. agreed |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. this is one of the ones i think is so wrong, that i get in trouble for. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. How do you get in trouble for it? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Better for the kid perhaps, necessary maybe. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Maybe you just hate people |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. nope. the father gets to pay. he plays, he pays. dna will tell |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. You clearly have never seen a man falsely accused of paternity try to recover $$$ taken fraudulently |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #30 |
100. And the system of assumed guilt that we have now is better? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. The assumtion of paternity is current contestable, espcially if it is done early |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #105 |
113. It is only contestable to a point |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Civil Subpoena would be the obvious route |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. And if they refuse the test? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. If a judge issues the subpoena, its contempt of court |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Let's see: contempt of court may earn you a small fine right? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #127 |
129. No, contempt of court get you put in jail until you comply with the court's orders |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. So you would arrest people who may not even be the father |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. You claimed that civil contempt is just a minor fine...I corrected you |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #133 |
136. So bring people in based on the mothers word and a well concieved |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. yes. if you are married when you give birth, then your husband is the father. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Do you find that to be just? |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. no, i actually do not like the idea of anyone being able to trick another person into |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. i would hope that in these situations the adults would be able to work it out |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. i couldn't imagine, but you are right. i hate when parents use the kids as pawns basically. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. i hear ya.... nt |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
52. Yes. That is just. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. What of the liar? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Who says there is a liar? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Well, lets see if the dad is duped then... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. So what if he's 'duped?' |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. For the legal system... not much... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Well, you seem to think semen placement is very important. How phallocentric of you. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Lol, Phallocentric? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Nope--nothing breaks your contract with children born of your marriage. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Again, you ignore #10 question... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:50 AM Response to Reply #72 |
91. I've answered your question repeatedly. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Ain't my kids, they wouldn't or shouldn't be my problem... |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. What about the actual biological father, does he have any responsibility? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I think some believe responsibility falls.. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:26 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Well, it depends. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
94. NOT 'born of his marriage' - born of HER AFFAIR! |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. how does the woman no for certain the child is not biologically her husband's? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. A lie is a lie, in your description she is still lying. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
89. Sorry, doesn't cut it |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. liars are liars... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #89 |
101. This has in fact happened recently, when a woman was implanted with |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. she was forced to give the child up |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #111 |
126. She was forced to give the child up because it was not her |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
93. And? So she lied. How is that the state's interest? |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. The State? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #96 |
112. Yes--you are asking for state action. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Lol, Saying do nothing is not a demand to act... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. You want a divorce, right? That's state action. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Doesn't have to be... |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #112 |
137. If she's gonna go out and sleep around on her husband |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. she KNOWS she is fooling around and there is a possibility it is not his. IMO |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #74 |
99. No deliberate deception? So, in your view, if a woman is |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. What about the other parts of the bargain, like the "forsaking all others" bit? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Actually, my 'warped sense of justice' is the prevailing legal view. |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. The question was "is it just" not is it legal |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Yes. It is just that children born of a marriage are presumed to issue of their parents. . n/t |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Did you read post #10... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. it's perfectly just when the man agreed to it when he entered the contract |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. So, what of her cheating? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Apparently in this case it's a one-way contract, heavily weighted in favor of one person |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
98. It is clear that some people responsing on this thread are doing so from |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #98 |
106. The parts of the patriarchy which are convenient are perfectly okay. n/t |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #52 |
102. Marriage also generally comes with the assumption of sexual exclusivity |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
116. That's just not right. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Can't speak for every state, but I know it's true in KY and MS. |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. I understand in Michigan |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yes. Because family matters more than paternity. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. And for single mothers? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. That has been known to happen |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. "It is in the interest of the state" ,,, "The CHILDREN are what's important" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. the woman fucks around, lies to all including her children and then rewarded. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. No. I wouldn't be coerced into paying a dime for a child not my own. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
92. Yes. This. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. If so it's a horrible system |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. That's what we call "presumed father" in legalese nt |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. First hand knowledge: It is true in Minnesota |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. This should be YOUR choice. n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yes. My stepbrother got hosed by that one. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
23. what bothers me most about this |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's true in Florida. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. This might have made some sense in the pre-DNA testing age |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
29. It is the legal presumption, but can be fought in court |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
32. This kind of shit is why deadbeat dads are cool. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. The law PRESUMES that, and a husband can ask for a blood test |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I believe he will still be required to pay child support, even |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
34. Our laws are lagging behind, since DNA testing can now |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. One of my former colleagues shared a story with me |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Well if he wanted to raise this child even if the child was not his, |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
37. "Think of the CHILDREN!!!" is primarily why it's still the law. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. In some cases random schmucks are made to pay |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yeah California is a bad state for this, or was... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
104. Well hey, if he didn't want to pay for the kid he should keep it in his pants |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. That's the common law tradition |
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cynannmarie (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
40. it's true--have first hand experience with this |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
109. +1 and welcome to DU. n/t |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
138. Welcome to DU |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
50. Traditionally true under common law |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
58. I've heard it to be true also. Law adopted before DNA testing |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
73. Well, gentlmen, if this really strikes you as unfair, don't get married (nm) |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
122. Ahem. You know, I don't think that's gonna be an issue... n/t |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. No kidding. Because why use birth control yourself when you can just blame the woman |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
79. Yes, and it's a reasonable assumption to make |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
81. never mind. nt |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
88. It's true. I was long-term separated (but not divorced) when my son was born. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #88 |
107. A conscientious thing to do. n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. that is how i see it. i cannot see it any other way. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
117. You are a decent person, Lyric |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. It was the right thing to do. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
103. A nation of stupid shit piles. No wonder they sell a $ 6900.00 toilet. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
114. It's right that things are changing |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
130. Good, let him raise the kids..... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. that would be the other point. since the mom is willing to have so little character, father must be |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
134. I had to pay child support to my ex husband for years, |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
135. I don't know about divorce, |
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