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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:56 PM Original message |
The myth/lie that foreign cars are better built |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. The new Ford Focus is incredibly nice. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yeah, that's why I didn't bold them. Still, the money goes to support many more employees in the US |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Interesting. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. The next Buick LaCrosse is supposed to get 37 MPG, not sure the cost though. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
55. Buick LaCrosse is coming out in hybrid form...25city/37hwy. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. What about a family with 2 kids? A car like the LaCrosse would be a smarter, more fuel-efficient |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
115. Many more cars more practical than a luxury sedan 200 inches long for a family. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. I looked at that Lexus hybrid. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
116. Yeah, it's pretty small. Best as a 2nd vehicle, I think. Still... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #116 |
163. I drove the hatchback Focus as well. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. I like the Foucs |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I can't wait until I get my Fusion. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
105. Electric assist |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. 25 mpg city is not very good for a hybrid. But it's better than 19. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Ford Fiesta is made in Mexico. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. I know that, I'm not a dumbass. That's why I didn't bold it. Take some time and read the OP. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
82. Prius is made in Japan |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. I prefer a small fuel efficient car, and looked at American companies first always |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. the new Ford Focus gets up to 40 MPG.... |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I was saying that HISTORICALLY the American car company has not built cars I wanted |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
161. I Bought My Subaru For Multiple Reasons. 1 Safety. 2 Manual Transmission |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. Me, too. In 1997...and this year. I REALLY researched American cars. |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. If it had not been for the Japanese and |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Well, it's different now, so I don't know why those stereotypes continue to linger |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. I have gotten used to driving Hondas. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Why are you allowing stereotypes to linger??? Why not get a 2012 Focus, bigger and gets better MPG |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
97. I currently drive a 2004 Civic. 65,000 miles on it. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
132. I don't know either |
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elias49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. Sorry, I'd rather drive my 1997 BMW than a brand new Chevy Volt. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
109. Can I be your mechanic? n/t |
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elias49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #109 |
166. Haha! Everything's already been fixed. A couple of times! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. That list is crap |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. That rag? It is well known that CR is biased in favor of Toyota. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Of course they are. Why their top 10 of 2010 is just LITTERED with Toyotas... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Consumer reports has had a long, well-known bias against American cars |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. The article you link to lacks rigor. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No, they compared an optional piece of equipment to a standard piece of equipment |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Rationalize it all you want. They compared the V8 from one manufacturer to the V8 from the other. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
113. They compared the base V8 GM to the optional V8 Toyota. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. Again, apples to apples means that they compare the closest block size and type. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #120 |
124. You have got to be kidding me. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #124 |
153. You need to calm the fuck down and read. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #153 |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #153 |
185. "It has either a 5.3L V8, a 6.2L V8, or a 6.0L V9." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #185 |
277. This |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #277 |
283. LOL. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #277 |
285. And please tell me where I mentioned anything about "my truck". |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #277 |
289. But I've got so much more I can learn from you. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #153 |
188. " It's not a standard V8, by any stretch of the imagination." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #188 |
276. An unsubstantiated claim. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #276 |
284. It's far more substantiated than your V9 engine. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #120 |
125. And a little more math for you. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #125 |
154. And neither is Consumer Reports in your book, correct? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #154 |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #154 |
186. ""but one of the reasons it's referred to AS a V9 is because of the extra injection power of the Vor |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #120 |
139. Crickets? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. Some people have work to do. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #151 |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #151 |
290. There are those crickets again. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
152. On their blog, they explain the rationale behind the equipment they selected |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. It doesn't matter because they're biased. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #155 |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
149. What autospies, whoever they are, isn't telling you is this |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #149 |
178. The 6.0 gets the same fuel economy as Toyota's 5.7. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Even if it does get the same as the similar Toyota, it doesn't get the same |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #182 |
184. That makes plenty of sense. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #184 |
187. If you bothered actually reading the issue |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #187 |
189. EPA ratings for the larger engine are the same. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. EPA ratings don't always translate to the real world results, do they? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Reverse argument is exactly what CR is doing there. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Keep avoiding the facts |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Keep justifying shoddy journalism. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #193 |
195. If I wanted to justify shoddy journalism, I'd be endorsing Autospies |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. CR's retort to the myriad claims was worthless. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #198 |
199. Right, worthless, and in depth review of all the points the |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Keep telling yourself that. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Seems you've swallowed everything Autospies told you |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Your argument IS to believe all of CR reviews. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #208 |
212. There's a difference bettween believing CR reviews, and believing |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. I wasn't talking about you. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #214 |
216. You said "who seems to think V9 is an actual engine type?" |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #216 |
219. You're both making the same arguments. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #219 |
221. Nice try, but you screwed up |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #221 |
225. Your journalistic skills are just as lame as your automotive skills |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #225 |
230. Collective Knowledge! How brilliant! You want me to defend |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #230 |
232. I've made more than a dent, I've destroyed them. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. You don't even realize that the bigger engine would decrease the gas mileage |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #236 |
238. The bigger engine would have provided fuel economy equal to the bigger Toyota engine. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #238 |
240. But it wouldn't have provided fuel economy EQUAL TO THE SMALLER CHEVY |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #240 |
243. Are you suggesting that Toyota's 5.7 liter gets the same fuel economy as the 4.7? |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #243 |
246. Nope, I'm not. Switching the Toyota's engine wasn't the basis of AutoSpies complaint |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. So they used the smaller Chevy because it gets better fuel economy. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #248 |
251. Again, they used the smaller Chevy engine because manufacturer's data |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. So which is it? |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #254 |
257. Who said it was picked BECAUSE it gets better fuel economy? nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #257 |
259. Both you and consumer reports. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #259 |
261. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #261 |
265. Hilarious, huh? |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #265 |
267. Neither of which indicates that mileage was the REASON the particular Chevy engine was picked. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #192 |
194. And if CR values fuel economy so much, why didn't they equip the Toyota with the 4.7? |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #194 |
196. If you bothered reading the article |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #196 |
197. It's incompetence AND bias. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #197 |
200. A class of its own? Tell the to the EPA |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #200 |
202. A full size SUV with a truck bed. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #202 |
205. Do you understand EPA categories? nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. Do you understand vehicle classes? |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #209 |
210. I know how the EPA classified it. But I guess the EPA matters only |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #210 |
231. Because everyone looking for a full size SUV with a truck bed is going to look for a Toyota. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #231 |
247. You're insistence on generating your own classes are what's silly nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #247 |
250. Yep. Because people looking for a BMW 1 series are also looking at Chevy Aveos. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #250 |
253. Right, but people who consider the Avalanche won't consider another full size SUV |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #253 |
256. Not without a truck bed. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #256 |
260. So I guess people who want a pickup won't even consider an Avalanche. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #260 |
262. Sure they would. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. I'm telling you that they tested it against other full size SUvs |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #264 |
300. Yep. The Ford F150 and Dodge Ram. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #260 |
301. Another of your lame notions is destroyed. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #200 |
203. It's not only engine size, it's overhead cams vs. overhead valves. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #203 |
207. I don't know about auto technology? I know the difference between |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #207 |
211. What don't you understand? It's both. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #211 |
215. The point you keep missing, likely deliberately |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #215 |
220. You're once again taking everything they say at face value. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #220 |
224. You're making faulty assumptions |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #224 |
227. It doesn't matter what the assumptions are. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #207 |
213. 1.22 ci four? 1.51 inline 5? |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #213 |
217. I'm supposed to take you seriously for hyping on an obvious typo? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Obvious typo that you made twice in the same thought. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #218 |
222. You are apparently good at leaving out question marks, |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #222 |
223. That's because it was a statement, not a question. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #223 |
226. OK, so that was a declarative statement. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #226 |
229. This is Karen, who happens to work for the government. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. Well sure I am going to go after you for that. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. This has nothing to do with grammar. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. It doesn't? If you take the period out, you get 122 cubic inches, don't you? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #237 |
239. You don't make two of the same typos in the same sentence. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #239 |
242. Sure, no one's ever done that. Funny thing is, you've provided a plausible explanation for |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. The plausible explanation is that you confused liters for cubic inches. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #244 |
249. Ah, the limited possible explanations of an Autospies supporter! nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #249 |
252. What's so funny is that the VW you were talking about had its displacement in it name. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #252 |
255. What's 2.5 liters in cubic inches? nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #255 |
258. 151 cubic inches. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #258 |
263. Is that similar to a disorder where you put periods in place of commas? nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #263 |
266. That's right. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. No, but the assumption that a misused period means one doesn't know |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #268 |
269. Once again, you don't make the same typo multiple times in the same sentence. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #269 |
270. Of course not! It's unprecedented in the world of typed communications! |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Even if you did confuse the units, you wrote down ridiculous numbers as well. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #271 |
272. I guess I didn't teach you as well as I thought |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #272 |
274. Yes. Please inform me. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #274 |
275. OK. Type 'cubic inches to cubic liters' in a search engine |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #275 |
282. Hey chief, I've been working on big blocks since my early teens. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #282 |
291. I've taught you what a V-9 supercharger is! nt |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #291 |
295. V9 is a freaking model of a supercharger. And no, you did not teach me what one is. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #295 |
296. No freaking kidding! |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #296 |
297. Yes, I'm supposed to assume an automotive blog is referring to a supercharger rather than an engine. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #296 |
298. Are you ever planning on explaining your ridiculous mistakes? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #296 |
302. "a Forc Focus SEl with 1.22 ci Four with a Volkswagend Jetta 2.5 SEl with a 1.51 inline 5." |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #275 |
286. Explain your mistake. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 07:19 AM Response to Reply #275 |
299. Wow, you can use Google. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #272 |
281. Yeah, likely. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #281 |
287. Tell me how knowledgeable Autospies is |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #287 |
288. There was no confusion. It was a simple typo. |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #288 |
292. Funny how that works |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #292 |
294. You still haven't explained how you made your mistake. |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. First of all, it's not a myth if it went on for three solid decades |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
11. I can't afford a Kia, much less a brand new union built Caddy. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. Whoever believes that never owned a Peugeot 504 |
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Stevenmarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
103. ROFL, yes I had the top of the dashboard fall off in my hands on the showroom floor. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ford Fiesta is made in Mexico. Toyota Tundra? Made in the USA. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Ford makes a higher percentage of its cars in the U.S. than Toyota does, but thanks for playing. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. That depends on how define "makes". It's more like assembled, but the parts are |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. and where do you get that statistic? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. CNN |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Oh look, 3 models from 2008. Give me a break, that does not give out the ENTIRE story. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Show me something that counters the argument. I imagine it's only gotten worse |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. It's about the same all around, give or take, for all automakers...so Toyota is not "more American" |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. I never said it was more American. I said it depends on how define "makes". Some |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. As I said, OP says "American" Ford Fiesta is #1. It's made in another country. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:46 PM Original message |
guess it's only "objective" when they rate Asian made cars high! |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. I have a 2005 Chevy Cobalt. A little econo box. If it makes to 100 k miles I will be |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. the Cobalt is not a current model. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Neither is the 97 Accord. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So comparing the two isn't really fair. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Your right. A car that was nine years old when the Cobalt was built should have |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Is that an indicator of what Chevrolet is making NOW? No, it isn't, so it's yet another dishonest |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. It's only been six years |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
85. You have no idea what you are talking about |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:12 AM Response to Reply #85 |
101. I know exactly what I'm talking about |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. You mean like the site you linked to above? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
83. I own one |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #83 |
164. Not angry. Just stating fact. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. On recent trips I've rented a Chevy Cruze and a Chevy Equinox. Both were amazing. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. +1....sadly, most people in this thread are, predictably, basing their beliefs on the past |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. Come on. Be realistic. How many people can buy new cars all the time? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Chryslers products suck ass. I don't even consider them American cars. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. LOL! Totally agree! |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
228. so true |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. NPR did a piece about this a while back. The problem is losing the |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Which, as you can tell from this board, where people who claim to be pro-union want to support union |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
104. That "old" stigma is the formerly brand new car many people are still driving/dealing with |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #30 |
110. The Hyundai Motor Workers is the largest union in South Korea...nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #110 |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
235. its not about union built or not |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
27. That site consistently ranks US owned co's cars high...I suspect they're paid. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. How can you judge a car for reliability when it's only been out for a year or two? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Simple statistics using the same model from the previous 3, 5, or 10 years. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
68. You can't. The MFR has reliability ratings, overall, and many cars have been |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
90. Don't you know? Everyone who disagrees with you is a paid shill. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #90 |
119. It's a for-profit site. It's common sense. Consumer Reports doesn't accept $ from cos. |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. I have owned two Ford Taurus models in the past few years |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. +1 Thank you for supporting union workers! |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. The first car we purchased after getting married was a Taurus SHO |
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Benzene25 (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
180. SHO's are great |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
76. I'd love to get a Taurus SHO. I've heard the car is an absolute beast. |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
245. agreed completely |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
38. I like Japanese cars and Japanese telescopes. |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
42. Of course this poll was conducted by Americans to be read by other Americans. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. So what, you want a list conducted by France? |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. At least you'd know it'd be unbiased |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Union workers telling me American cars are best is like.. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Wow, I cannot believe I read this post on DU. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I think ALL/MOST DUers support Unions and their right to Unionize. n/t |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Sometimes I doubt that. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Why? I support Unions. My father was a member of the United Steel Workers his entire life. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. not you but DU as a whole |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Well, during Wisconsin's Union battle, DUers were pretty darn supportive, as a whole. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Do you buy American cars where the profit comes back to America? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
126. I buy American....when the American product is competitive on all counts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
122. I buy imports. I am not evil....or red. Just practical. I look @ American first.... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #122 |
130. Excuses, cheaper by the dozen |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
142. But alerting is OK when I disagree with you? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #142 |
157. I did not do an alert on you, if that's what you mean. What did you do to cause an alert? nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
54. Your OP is a lie |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I did not say the Fiesta was built by the UAW, hence the reason why it was not bolded. Focus is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. So you're defending the Japanese, we get it now |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
74. How does Consumer Reports rank them? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
86. Taurus has the grenading tranny and kicked loyal customers in the teeth |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
87. Some reading to accompany this... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. One problem which affects like, 1% of the Cruzes sold. Even Honda and Toyota has recalls. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. That's all you have? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
88. I guess I'll find out for myself the next time I purchase a vehicle. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
91. American cars have really improved |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
92. "Better built" v "want to buy" Hmmm..fail. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
94. Foreign cars are not better built, they're better engineered |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. It wasn't always that way. |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
98. But really, REALLY, most American car companies vehicles are terribly made |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Deleted message |
Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #99 |
121. You forgot to include the reliability statistics to prove her wrong. nt |
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Cobalt-60 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:15 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. They're engineered to belly up about 110K miles |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:15 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. You are SERIOUSLY using Chevy Lumina as your quality benchmark? Seriously? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #100 |
134. Alex I'll take the red x for $200 |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #100 |
158. Actually, if you keep a car for a long time, it's more economical to buy new. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #98 |
133. Alex, I'll take the Red X for $100 |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Take the challenge... LOOK AT THE CARS! |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. How many years ago? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
106. Note that #2, which you didn't post, is a Honda Civic. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
107. I had a Pontiac Grand Am that *sucked* |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #107 |
117. YAY good for you, so sad you got a lemon |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. Ha ha! You said something, then appended the word "not" to make it mean the opposite! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Mets fans, arrrggghhh |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. And that's a DUzy right there, for sure. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #117 |
167. Deleted message |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
108. The Chevy Cruze? The one that's being recalled? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #108 |
114. Yeah, buy a Toyota instead. And hope it stops when you want it to. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. Uh, that wasn't the point |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Me? Anti Union? That's some good comedy. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #144 |
168. Uh, try reading again |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
111. Exactly right. K&R |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
112. I've bought new Fords my whole life and they've always been reliable. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #112 |
123. You've been lucky. The stats show that until recent years, Fords weren't reliable... |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #123 |
143. Had a '99 Ford Escourt, 4-door, 5 speed. Worked great. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #123 |
156. I've had three cars...an 88 Nissan Stanza, an 88 Toyota Camry |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
303. I have to agree. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
128. Case in Point: The Yugo |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
129. Unrec for misleading information and |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
136. The last NEW car I bought |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
137. Since all my cars are of the 1990's-2000's age, I still use foreign. Glad american cars are doing |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
145. Even if that is true, it's talking about initial quality, not long term reliability. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
147. The myth/lie that Pepsi is better than Coke... |
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Roy Ellefson (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. American all the way |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #148 |
159. You sound proud that you buy gas guzzlers. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. Hell, compared to me, he is freakin' Al Gore |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #162 |
173. I imagine many of us are quite proud of our excesses |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #173 |
181. It isn't nearly so complicated. |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #147 |
280. That's how I view these sort of debates.. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
150. How can a car be named "best built" in its debut year? |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
160. I think American cars have improved vastly.. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
165. And the gullible suckers who line up to join the chant! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. Been my gripe for decades. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
175. My car is in the top sports car list ... not American |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
183. I remember in the Seventies |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
206. For almost two decades, this "myth/lie" was unfortunately fact |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #206 |
273. Well it seems that the protocol for dealing with people who got a lemon in the past is... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
241. God Bless the US lowly paid hourly worker who drive their foreign made automobile. . . |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
278. except for a short stint with a VW bus.. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
279. I drive an old Mazda sedan. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
293. Wow. So many replies. So few recs. A clear sign of a rubbish thread. Few things more devisive than |
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