A new Public Policy Polling survey finds that House Republicans "have fallen so far out of favor with the American public that it's entirely possible Democrats could take control of the House back next year."
Key findings: 43% of voters think that House Republicans are doing a worse job now than the Democrats did, compared to only 36% who think the GOP has brought an improvement while 19% think things are about the same.
Stunningly, independent voters now say they'd vote Democratic for the House by a 42% to 33% margin, representing a 28 point reversal in a span of just five months.
What the hell is your problem? Saying "most" or "largely" are perfectly acceptable ways to indicate that not all voters are idiots. Your demand that everyone post in the exact wording you would use is both pointless and unreasonable and seems only designed to stir the pot.
Many pretend that it didn't do a thing. The loss of the fairness doctrine and consolidation of the media has effectively destroyed freedom of speech for those outside the official establishment position.
59. Obama is doing what he needs to do to keep this country moving.
Obama took a hit by letting the tax cuts for high earners continue, but he got DADT, a second stimulus, the START treaty, the defense authorization, and the food safety bill. Obama is not governing in a vacuum. He can't force someone like Lieberman to keep their word.
I think most people will come along just fine. I don't think they're willing to risk President Romney or Gingrich or whoever.
6. I've never understood how or why anyone who paid attention could identify themselves as an
"independent" voter. I've become convinced that people who say they're independent are hoping for some kind of media interview with the "independent voter on the street or at the local diner" -- you know, the stories NPR LOVES to put together to get a "feel" for "what's going on" "outside" "the Beltway."
86. dead wrong. I study Independents for a living.
You are confusing Independents with moderates.
People that identify as Independents are quite a bit more ignorant than those who identify as Democratic or Republican. Since Democratic and Republican voters tend to cancel each others votes out, elections are largely decided by massively ignorant Independent voters.
The ignorance of Independent voters has been widely accepted as fact in political science since the groundbreaking work of Campbell, Converse, Stokes and Miller in the 1950s.
37. I've been an 'independent' (or 'unaffiliated') voter
for over 30 years - and a life-long social and economic liberal.
I could give a rat's arse for being a media target - or for belonging to a political party. I don't need a party to tell me what to think or give me some sense of community or whatever the hell it is that causes people to join political parties.
What does it mean to say "I'm a Democrat", anyway? That you belong to the club? In actuality, all it gives you is the 'right' to vote in primary elections. Over the course of my voting life, I have successfully voted in many primaries by temporarily changing my affiliation - when I have seen the need to do so.
I don't do it for every general election, I do it when I see a need to do it. More and more often lately there is little reason to make that effort. Politicians within a party rarely stand out for their differences. They are all cut from the same cloth; only the trim is different. If I find a particular button or ribbon important enough, I'll make the effort for the primary . . .
Bottom line is that I can vote my conscience without being a card-carrying member of anything. It doesn't make me a 'blithering idiot' or an attention whore - I would argue that it makes me exactly what is implied by the terms 'independent' and 'unaffiliated' - someone who doesn't need a pack or herd to make up my mind for me.
Why not try finding out a bit more about independents - including the difficulty of identifying them (see the Pew poll link below)? It's not a perfect poll - their sampling was skewed by including people who belong to 3rd parties, for one - but it's better than just reflexively deciding that all independent voters are idiots - and conservative ones at that.
I have belonged to DU for at least 8 years (I think - can't recall if it was 2002 or 2003). When I started posting here, DU was a place for people who believed - broadly - in 'small d' democratic, liberal values. Liberals of all stripes, who - again, broadly - supported 'big D' candidates for office.
I had no problem with that then - I have no problem with it now . . . as long as the 'big D' candidates believe and support those 'small d' democratic principles and LIBERAL values that I hold dear.
I do have a problem with self-identified 'Democrats' who use their card carrying status to beat other liberals over the head, suggesting that they are somehow less worthy because they choose not to join the club.
Political parties remind me of college fraternities and sororities - you have to say the right things when you apply; you have to accept the rules and regulations to join; and, once you're 'in', you have to look down your nose at all the 'other' people who don't belong.
The problem with belonging to the 'in crowd' is that it never survives it's own exclusivity; eventually the members turn on each other in their desire to prove their loyalty to the concept of the crowd. I'll keep hanging with the unpopular kids, I think - the only rule they care about is that I think for myself.
101. Excellent synopsis. I've been a Democrat longer than some posters
here have been alive. Watching the promise of 2008 squandered in such a short time showed me the weakness of political parties in America. If progressivism is to stay alive, it must become an independent movement politicians want to seek out in order to win favor and thus, elections on a consistent basis.
and i don't impugn you or your motives. for me, when someone asks i say i am a lifelong democrat, anti-war, bleeding heart liberal. if there's not enough time for all that, i just say democrat, or liberal.
happy to be liberal. in truth, if i wasn't so worried about republicans taking the prize in a split election, i would probably be a member of the green or peace and freedom parties. if i still lived in CA i could do that. but i'm in NC and to me, that means i must be a democrat.
my point is it's not about being part of a club. it's about a statement of beliefs.
She was a lifelong Democrat and a major Hillary supporter and became very disillusioned with the caucus set up (something about Nevada really set her off). She left the Democratic party but did vote for Pres Obama.
I'm reminded of Chaplin's The Immigrant, where Charlie - at sea - "shares" a bowl of soup with his tablemate across the table as the ship rocks back and forth sliding the bowl to either side in the process. I'm afraid this circus is all but done. Something has to give.
12. Will, there was a very interesting article on Yahoo today. It seems there's been research
Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 11:25 AM by juajen
on the different brains of democrats and republicans. I will quote a couple of paragraphs, but am still too technologically challenged to put in the thingamagiggy that directs you to the site.
"Using data from MRI scans, researchers at the University College London found that self-described liberals have a larger anterior cingulate cortex--a gray matter of the brain associated with understanding complexity. Meanwhile, self-described conservatives are more likely to have a larger amygdala, an almond-shaped area that is associated with fear and anxiety.
"Previously, some psychological traits were known to be predictive of an individual's political orientation," lead researcher Ryota Kanai writes of the study in the latest issue of Current Biology. "Our study now links personality traits with specific brain structure."
Interesting, no? I guess God wanted his "chosen people" to be as children.
That, however, does not mean these people themselves are overall moronic. I am an Independent voter, as when I was looking over the core values of both parties, I saw neither aligned themselves to their own beliefs. So I vote on policy, not personality.
17. If you want to speak to a large number of idiots in a short
amount of time, work the phones right before an election. People were blowing my head off last Oct., mainly about "Obamacare" and babbling about Nancy Pelosi. As I posted once before, I secretly hope this one woman I talked to lost her job, or is at least suffering in some way. What an asshole she was (Teabagger).
Only because so many of my friends claim to be "Independent". But, I live in the reddest spot in Arizona so Independent is a welcome change from Republican/Conservative/Teaper.
It drives me crazy when I ask one of them which agendas/policies they support from each side and they give me a blank stare. Eventually they start spewing whatever they've heard from the MSM...both left and right. No research of their own. Or, they say they don't know and will decide which way to vote 2 weeks from any election. Probably based on political advertising. I can pretty much guarantee the huge majority don't bother to vote. They're also the first to whine about whatever it is they heard on CNN.
I think the best spin on it is that many voters were depressed and unhappy about the way things stood last November, and Republicans assured them they would tackle the economy effectively "unlike the Democrats". So they figured, "let's give the other guys a chance and see what they will do".
The positive aspect of that spin is it didn't take them very long to conclude that what they would do is a lot worse than the Democrats. At least they are drawing the right conclusion and not taking long to do it.
32. voters with NO good choices tend to oscillate between bad ones....
Those same independent voters will oscillate back to the republicans if the dems they elect don't improve things substantially enough to make a positive impression. That's the nature of independents who are not ideologically wedded to one particular party. The pendulum only stops swinging when good leadership emerges and coalesces long term voter support.
44. During The '08 Election, I Heard A Good Description Of "Undecided" Voters
I wish I could remember which radio show it was, but I can't. There was a person on the show discussing all the "undecided" voters heading into the '08 election. I think it's kind of appropriate because "undecided" voters are pretty much the same group of people as the "independent" voters. Here's what the person said: "Talking to an undecided voter is like walking up to a person who is on fire and saying, 'Hey, you're on fire. You want to jump in that swimming pool?'.............'Ummmmmm. I don't know.'"
What really pisses me off about the "independent" voters who gave the Republicans back the reins of power this time around is that EVERYONE warned them this would happen, and they didn't listen. It's their maddening NEED to actually TOUCH the stove OVER AND OVER before they learn it's hot. And now they're cradling their burnt hands going, "I wish I hadn't touched it NOW." Well, too late, fuckwads. Now we're ALL going to get burned because YOU have no short-term memory.
Really, what is it that these people can't grasp? They voted Republican, the economy went to shit. The Democrats came in and fixed the economy, they forgot what happened before, they went out and voted Republican AGAIN. And guess what. The economy went to shit AGAIN. So they put the Democrats back in, the economy started recovering, they ONCE AGAIN forgot what had happened only a few years earlier, and they voted Republican AGAIN. And guess what. The economy went to shit AGAIN. Is ANYONE starting to see a pattern here?
51. I voted for the Republicans Just to See What Would Happen
... and it was even worse than the time I got into the bathtub with the plugged-in blow dryer.
Look, most of the country is just so peripherally engaged its disgusting. They watch a few minutes of cable news (mostly Fox), talk with their friends down at work and they think that they're brilliant.
Otherwise they would be so easily manipulated by an obviously non News Channel like Fox. :shrug: They lie, are present with evidence that they are lies, and they say the evidence is obviously manufactured. Of COURSE no one would lie to them for profit. :rofl: Americans do not value education. They have started to value religion over all else. This leads to ignorance and idiocy. It's a simple equation.
72. Maybe we're the stupid ones. Like putting up anti-Obama thread all over the place and rec-ing
them up to the top spots on this board like they are as important as if a rethug got caught killing soemone. It sure looks like we don't like Democrats and don't support the President of the United States. You don't see this kind of shit with the teabaggers.
If we are going to win elections we need to frame our complaints as policy complaints and not personal complaints. Most people do not spend the kind of time that we do reading and learning about what is going on in this country's political realm.
75. I blame mass communication and mass consumerism.
We've become inattentive adult idiots, with no deeply rooted feelings outside our immediate surroundings and NONE older then a decade. Our world is all about appearance. America is all about the perception of our appearance as a nation. We've gone from living in a material world, to giving it all to the 1%ers.
85. Let me show you the intelligence of ONE Texas County
Jeb Hensarling REP 14,346 77.27% Tom Berry DEM 3,845 20.71% Ken Ashby LIB 374 2.01% ----------- Race Total 18,565 ---------------------------------------- Governor Rick Perry REP 12,342 65.39% Bill White DEM 5,957 31.56% Kathie Glass LIB 444 2.35% Deb Shafto GRN 101 0.53% Andy Barron W-I 28 0.14% ----------- Race Total 18,872 ---------------------------------------- Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst REP 14,255 75.73% Linda Chavez-Thompson DEM 3,972 21.10% Scott Jameson LIB 462 2.45% Herb Gonzales, Jr. GRN 134 0.71% ----------- Race Total 18,823 ---------------------------------------- Attorney General Greg Abbott REP 14,521 77.22% Barbara Ann Radnofsky DEM 3,881 20.63% Jon Roland LIB 402 2.13% ----------- Race Total 18,804
And THESE are the same uninsured (25% adults/24% children) , Medicaid (28% children and 33% elderly), children in poverty (24%).
102. Most Americans seem willfully stupid and out of touch to me.
Over 20% in a recent poll couldn't name the VP (but they all know every contestant on Dancing With the Stars). Americans think 5% of the US budget goes to NPR (it's hundreds of times lower than that). Over half of self-described republicans believe that our president is a Muslim from Kenya.
Here in Ohio, our braindead voters elected a really, truly terrible governor (the worst I've ever seen here). Now that it's too late, they say they regret it. His approval rating is below 30% already. Polls show that if the election were held today, his opponent would win in a landslide (now that we have seen them both in action).
We are a nation of idiots. And it's getting worse.
as Kasich but in a different way. And Florida Governor Scott might be the very worst choice of all, even worse than Kasich or Walker of Wisconsin. All of them are damaging the Republican brand and I love that.
It's amazing that the Ohio voter would elect Republican Kasich after Taft. I believe Taft set the all time record for unpopularity of a state Governor at 9%!
I have come realize why the saying that politics & religion are taboo discussion amongst everyday folks..
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." ~ John F. Kennedy
110. Many Republicans and "Independent" Tea Party people...
..view the Republican party negatively because it isn't radical and gutting programs enough.
These polls consistently miss this. The GOP has been polling poorly for a very long time now, and this is precisely because so many movement conservatives and teabaggers view it as too timid and not fanatical enough. So these sorts of polls capture the disapproval, but do not capture the fact that while many of these types of people disapprove of the GOP they are STILL going to vote Republican over any Democrat.
Basically, the Republican brand is weak even for Republicans, so were seeing polling that shows the GOP should be doing much worse than it actually does when it comes times for an election.
I would like to see We, the People, file a Class Action Lawsuit against the republican party. Their Own bills demonstrate an egregious power grab and an unprecedented shift of power and financial resources to the small minority of the wealthy and corporations.
This should be under the law and perhaps even the constitution a direct conflict of interest.
We are being held hostage under a constant threat of insecurity and loss of control, use and benefit of our own tax dollar contributions.
I always believed the gov't was formed to protect and provide for the people and Not the minority of the wealthiest individuals and corporations.
Is it not past time to go on Offense, Dems? So I am hoping those with a deeper grasp of federal laws and the constitution might offer some insight as to the feasibility of this idea.
I met all sorts of voters when I was out on the ole campaign trail. I came to the conclusion that the 'independent voter' is the least informed, least curious and least involved. Which ever flyer or slate postcard they received right before they walk out the door to vote, is how they will vote. Which ever commercial was least objectionable after 500 airings gets their vote. Give me a partisan voter. At least I know they stand for something. I might not agree w/ it but at the very least they are engaged.
all they get is the crap that passes for news on television. they just don't know, or just don't care. not sure which. i try to raise the consciousness of my own sons all the time and frankly believe that i am failing in that attempt. not that they'd vote for republicans, but they likely won't vote at all. and get active politically? no way. my oldest son who is 35 asked me the other day why i always put political stuff on my facebook page, and when did i get this way? i told him when gw became president. and why am i like this? i said you can't unring that bell and suddenly quit paying attention.
i just don't know the answer, or what it will take, to get people to just fucking pay attention. and i don't mean to the evening news, i mean to what is going ON.
First of all I have yet to meet an "independent" voter. I have met people who claim to be "independent" but at the end of day not sure any of them are really sincere.
I guess we have three possible positions in this country:
Those that believe in discrimination, shipping jobs overseas, more money to the rich and powerful, abolishing the middle class and sticking it to the least among us and oh yeah believe in the flag, apple pie, guns, NOT GAYS, and God (their God of course who believes the same things they do). I think we can agree those are the conservatives and Repukkkes.
Those that believe in equality, good paying jobs for Americans, a system that provides for a strong middle class, support for the least among us, opportunity, but not unbridled, for those that want to be rich, strong true family values and justice. Those are the liberals, progressives and Democrats.
Those in the middle must be the truly "me, me, me". They will vote totally dependent on what's in it for them. They aren't driven by an ideology but rather around me, me, me. I consider those the Independents.
Some of those independent voters probably came to DU seeking information only to have their confusion compounded. Much as we pride ourselves on our 'not marching in lock-step', our routine cannibalism is something that just does not happen within republican ranks. Nasty and evil though they may be, their message unity keeps it simple for just enough voters to make a difference.
I mean, if you're not interested in the statistics that clearly prove this issue, than just look at the priorities that most Americans have and the people we elect.
Independent has always been a euphemism for idiot, as these are simply the people who make up their minds last. Claiming that they need to learn more about the candidates when they could simply do a little digging and find out all they need to know about these candidates.
So, in essence, they are people that believe candidates when these politicians are trying to sell themselves as opposed to studying their previous actions. Obviously, they are morons.
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