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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:21 PM
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16 Middle-aged casino waitresses fired after told they don't look good in new uniforms
Sixteen cocktail waitresses at Resorts Casino Hotel in Atlantic City were fired after being told theyre not a fit for the casinos new sexy uniforms.

All of the 16 women who lost their jobs were middle-age, long-time employees who were happy to retain their jobs after the casinos sale only to lose them because of their appearances in a skimpy costume.

Union officials say that Resorts is using the 1920s flapper-style uniforms as a way to get rid of older cocktail waitresses in order to cultivate a younger clientele.

One of the fired waitresses, Nancy Schromsky, told NBC Philadelphia that the process of being judged in the uniform was humiliating. The women were directed to a room where the new uniforms were strewn about the floor and told to try one on and then be photographed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42365212/ns/business-your_retirement/

A pox on the stupid ass bosses! Hope all the size 2 and 4's deliver crappy customer service!
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:24 PM
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1. Lawsuit.
Cha ching.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:26 PM
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4. perhaps, but they have to demonstrate that
it was age, and not appearance, I think, that got them fired.

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:01 PM
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13. "Mixed Motive"
Age is part of appearance. Wouldn't really want to be the casino in this one.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:54 PM
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21. "Appearance". I doubt that is a BFOQ - Bona Fide Occupational Qualification
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:36 PM
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8. Yep
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:24 PM
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2. Were those dresses skin tight in the old days?
I guess it doesn't matter now.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:31 PM
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16. No they weren't. The ideal flapper body was pretty straight up and down.
I'm a vintage clothing fanatic; the 1920s being my absolute favorite era.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:24 PM
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3. hmm....I don't know if this is a winnable lawsuit
Is it age discrimination or appearance discrimination? Age is a protected class, but I don't think appearance is.

A shame. Hope they can squeeze some kinda compensation out of it.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:13 PM
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15. Getting heavier is a natural part of getting older.
You'll have a hard time convincing any jury that people in middle age should look the same as they did when they were in their early twenties.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:44 PM
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20. Is age UNDER fifty years old protected? I was always under the impression ...
... under 50 isn't protected.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:27 PM
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5. These women expected sensitivity from a bunch of casino owners?
I'm just wondering why they were surprised by this.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:09 PM
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27. That was frigid, Brigid.
Have a heart. They were intentionally humiliated and then fired.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:27 PM
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6. And Republicans want to raise the SS retirement age until 70 ....
because we all know no-one who be fired for their age :eyes:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:29 PM
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7. Even among younger women, there are
not that many who wear a size 2 or 4. At least, I do not know of too many.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:42 PM
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9. Pix of the "uniforms", for those who are curious
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 08:44 PM by Xithras


and




Borderline lingerie! :blush:
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:59 PM
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11. I would have looked fabulous in that in my 20s and 30s
and maybe skated just by in my mid 40s but in my mid fifties it would look ridiculous. I would go with age discrimination for that reason alone
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:03 PM
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14. those all look bigger than a size 4
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:31 PM
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25. You're right.
None of those women is a size 2 or 4.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:25 PM
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44. Not to me, they don't. Certainly those women can wear size 4 in today's clothing.
Aren't you aware of size inflation? Size 8 in 1980 is now a size 2.
But that's another topic entirely...
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:32 PM
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17. Reminds me of the old Fredricks of Hollywood
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 09:33 PM by EC
stuff..really cheap fabric and bad fits.


On edit: They look like they would itch.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:34 PM
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18. I'm a size 2, those women aren't--and there's nothing authentic
about those uniforms (I know, like atlantic City cares).

Curvy and size 2 are hard to come by.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:53 PM
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57. They could be size 4, depending on where they shop....
I'm just a bit plumper than those ladies at the moment, but I wear S, mostly size 6, and as high as 8, depending on the label. If it's Old Navy, size 4.

Curvy and size 2 is possible, if you're also short... but yeah, probably not on the top half.

Look how catty we women are to each other. Dudes do not look at each other and gossip about waist sizes the way women do amongst ourselves.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:37 PM
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19. That is not a flapper dress. That's lingerie.
If they had really used flapper dresses there's no reason in the world why the other woman couldn't have worn the dresses too, looked good in them, and kept their jobs.

But if they want their waitresses to walk around in skimpy lingerie, of course they're going to find excuses to discriminate and only employ their fantasy eye-candy. :(

If they are requiring their women employees to dress in these uniforms that intentionally scream "My Job is all about being sexy for you!" tell me, what do you think are the odds that sexual harassment is going to be a mandatory, constant part of their job? Both from the bosses who insisted that dressing women in lingerie at work is a good idea, and from customers who are allowed and expected to ogle them?

I'm guessing the chances are pretty high.

Anyone that gets stuck working in that place... I hope they have very thick skin, very tough attitudes, and amazingly amounts of money to make it worth putting up with the obvious B.S that must go with working in that place. :(
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:06 PM
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23. I'd look like hell in something like that, but I'll wear it if it means a decent job.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:23 AM
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36. If you'd look like hell in that outfit,
you'd never get the job in the first place. That's the whole point of the OP.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:24 PM
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24. Dr. Frank-N-Furter comes to mind.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 10:26 PM by WorseBeforeBetter
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:36 AM
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39. Ugh that is horrendous at any age.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:37 PM
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46. They are calling that 1920s flapper style? I dont think so.
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:56 PM
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10. Fuck casinos anyways.nt
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:01 PM
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12. I'm only surprised this didn't take place at Trump's casino!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:04 PM
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22. How many MEN get hired to do this job?
If the answer is none, then this isn't a case of age discrimination, it's sex discrimination.

For example, I always wanted to be a cocktail waitress, not to mention a nude dancer, but would anyone hire my fat male ass? Would anyone even give me a try-out?

Nooooooo.

Lots of women get hired for those jobs, but they wouldn't even CONSIDER hiring me.

Does that mean I'm being discriminated against?

Or is that something that only happens to women?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:59 AM
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31. Did you actually apply for a cocktail server job or are you just
complaining about the injustice of the poor downtrodden male?

Before you reply you should know a couple of things about me:

I did 8 years in Vegas casinos.

During that 8 years I ran cocktails.

During my time as a cocktail waitress, I worked with a male cocktail server.

During my time as a cocktail waitress I experienced harassment first hand, witnessed first hand and heard tales of the 'old' Vegas cocktail waitresses.

I witnessed the takeover of casinos from the 'mob' by the corporations; the mob was kinder.

Now, what was your question?


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Evolve_Already Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 07:04 AM
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35. ^5
Glad you got out alive sister.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 09:17 PM
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55. Male Fail. nt
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:06 PM
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26. why the heck would they want younger clientele?
It's the middle-aged who have all the money to be spent at the casino, not the twenty-somethings. Anyways, why would anyone be more enthusiastic over a silly 23 year old cocktail waitress? Maybe it's just age, but I'd rather look at a 43 year old woman...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:50 AM
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28. fugly old wealthy types like Berlusconi
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:25 AM
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37. Like drug pushers and tobacco companies,
the casinos want to hook 'em young.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:08 AM
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29. Unfortunately, "sexy" sells
and when casinos/clubs want to "stimulate" the mail clientele, they usually go for the buxom , leggy, YOUNG, cute chickies...It's not about waitressing to the owners.. It's getting that male customer to think that if he hangs around long enough and flirts with her long enough, she will go out with him...meanwhile he's losing money at the casino. or buying overpriced drinks at the club...

Uniforms are the easiest way for owners to "cull the herd".. Many older women will not fit in them or will be humiliated into quitting.

any law suits that emerge will be dealt with by their cadre of lawyers.

It happens to men too, but not in such an overt manner.. How many companies are taken over, and mid-management's 40-50 yr olds end up having to report to 25-30 yr olds who do not value the experience of their older co-workers. It's usually not long before those older ones get "offered" early-out options or end up being laid off..

Jobs that require looks, are cruel jobs, because looks do not last, and there is always a fresh crop nipping at one's heels.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:56 AM
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30. I'm not sure whatis more amazing, the sexist bullshit or the stupidity in trying to get away with it
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:01 AM
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32. Looks-ism. As far as I know, that's still legal.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:30 AM
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33. As was child labor, women as property, slavery, indentured servitude,
and many other laws we would now find repulsive.

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Evolve_Already Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 07:00 AM
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34. Why do you wish ill
on the size 2ss and 4ss?

It's not THEIR fault. Blame the menzzz who are in charge, blame the culture, blame for days, but NOT the women.

The fired gals can just be happy with being spinsters now. *sigh
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:34 AM
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38. I wonder if The Management wears those stinky-ass costumes too
:crazy:
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 04:09 PM
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40. Two of those women are knock outs and all of them have nice shapes...
The new casino owners are caca roches!
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:58 PM
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50. I know you meant to be nice...I do. But reframe your reply in terms of
discussing a man, and see how it sounds.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:39 PM
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56. Oh honey! When we girls get together to discuss men and how they look...
Seriously,I appreciate men trying to avoid being sexist, but lighten up! I would certainly not have any concern if a man referred to me as being a knock out (except that maybe he needed his prescription lenses changed) or that I had a nice shape. In fact, I don't know any woman who would complain at that.

Women object to crude, lewd talk and obscene gestures. We don't object to sincere statements.

So, no, I don't think I'll rephase. And in case you didn't catch it, I'm not a man. I'm a woman, probably just a little older than the women who were rudely dissed by their former employer.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:18 PM
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41. Middle aged women can be very attractive.
The women appeared to be fit and they had curves in the right places. I am younger than these women but I am old enough not to relate to the 20 something kids anymore. Perhaps I am odd but I prefer mature women closer to my own age.

I don't see how that hideous costume would make anyone look good.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 07:38 PM
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51. They looked pretty nice to me
Edited on Fri Apr-01-11 07:39 PM by underpants
Just saying

Pretty intelligent too
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:21 PM
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42. That's it - I'm heading back to Vegas
Where, last I heard, we have plenty of middle-aged casino waitresses who give great if occasionally quirky customer service, and I don't give a damn if they're curvy or not.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:24 PM
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43. I'm guessing they don't have a union.
I was in a union when I was a waitress. I worked next to women and men who had worked for 25 years in the same restaurant. Bartenders and cocktail waitresses and kitchen staff included. IT was a damn good restaurant too.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:34 PM
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45. Has anyone ever heard of
a dog-butt ugly dude losing his job?
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:42 PM
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47. Well of course they were!
Jobs and careers aren't about how hard you work or how good you are at your job. It's about the size and firmness of your boobies.

:sarcasm: (for those who can't tell)
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grntuscarora Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:47 PM
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48. This is how
the corporation rewards loyal, long-time employees?
I hope the ladies sue the crap out of the casino.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 09:05 PM
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53. This is the how lots of corporations are rewarding
"older" workers now. Out the door you go. Bye. Bye.

It is beyond disgusting and they are all getting away with it.

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:48 PM
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49. Oh, fer crissakes! Can the "Boardwalk Empire" crap and give these women their jobs back.
:wtf:
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 07:48 PM
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52. Wasn't this the case in Vegas, too? Elsewhere, also, just not as blatant as this.
Edited on Fri Apr-01-11 07:49 PM by freshwest
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 09:10 PM
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54. Took photos of the women from neck down
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/atlantic-city_pleasantville_brigantine/resorts-casino-hotel-in-atlantic-city-fires-cocktail-servers-because/article_163ef36a-5b29-11e0-a1f0-001cc4c002e0.html


I cant think of anything Ive dealt with that was more disgusting and dehumanizing than what theyve done to these women, said Robert McDevitt, president of Local 54 of UNITE-HERE

The company had this ridiculous explanation about how they took pictures of them in the uniform from the neck down and sent them to a modeling agency that had a three-judge panel, he said. These were attractive women. They were not slobs. Thats why its so damaging.

McDevitt alleged that the latest round of firings involving the 16 cocktail servers clearly targeted middle-aged women. He also said the firings occurred on the very last day of a 90-day probationary period set up by the new owners.

None of them were given notices that this was going to happen, McDevitt said. The reality is, they waited until the last day of the probationary period to discharge the women.

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