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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:45 PM
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What Do You Think About This? (Libya)
Edited on Wed Mar-30-11 12:23 PM by Biker13
For a month, gangs of young gunmen have roamed the city, rousting Libyan blacks and immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa from their homes and holding them for interrogation as suspected mercenaries or government spies.

Over the last several days, the opposition has begun rounding up men accused of fighting as mercenaries for Kadafi’s militias as government forces pushed toward Benghazi. ...

One young man from Ghana bolted from the prisoners queue. He shouted in English at an American reporter: “I’m not a soldier! I work for a construction company in Benghazi! They took me from my house … ”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...9027,full.story
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:03 PM
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1. Your LA Times link is not working.
These are rebel forces? This seems like a huge story. Only the LA times broke it? But your one link is down.
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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:22 PM
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2. Aw Hell!
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 10:26 PM by Biker13
I'll try and find another one...

My point in posting this is, I don't know what to believe! I was hoping my fellow DUer's could help me work this one out...

Try this

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-prisoners-20110324,0,5389027,full.story

Biker's Old Lady
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:14 PM
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8. Some one posted a link to a UN report about this about a week ago.
I'm sorry, I don't have the link but afaik, this story is true.
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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:16 AM
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3. Hate Bumping My Own Thread...
But I'd really like some feedback on this.

Biker's Old Lady
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:35 AM
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5. This site is a reputable source for world problems like this.
They have been covering the plight of Black African immigrants in Libya since the civil war began.

Global Voices Online


The Somali women are particularly worried about what might happen. “I arrived here almost a year and a half ago in order to try to get myself to Europe, but so far I have not succeeded and now I find myself in the exact same situation I was trying to escape from by fleeing Somalia.”

Maryan Ali, who lives under the same roof as Shamso, has said that she fears they may come and attack them in their homes. “The residencies of several Somalians would have been, in effect, the target of attackers”, she added.

Three of her friends disappeared five days ago, she revealed. “We called them for work and they went; the last news we have of them is that they were taken by a car driven and accompanied by armoured men. We have no idea what the men have done to them and we have no one to turn to for help.”


We heard about the woman in the hotel, but what about all these people, and THESE women, who are disappearing? This is truly disturbing.

What a mess and it's looking more and more like we are interfering in a civil war where a majority of the people do not want it.

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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:30 PM
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9. Clips about Libya's migrant work force
Migrant Workers in Libya
March 23, 2011 · By Hannah Gurman
...
Before the crisis, as many as 2.5 million migrants worked in Libya, making it one of the biggest importers of labor in the region. The migrants came mostly from Africa and Asia for jobs in the oil and construction industries. The influx of foreign workers began in the 1990s, when, in response to UN trade sanctions, Libya increasingly relied on sub-Saharan labor to fuel its oil economy. More recently, since 2003, when Libya’s rapprochement with the United States and Europe began, the tide of migrants has continued to rise. As part of the privatization of Libya’s economy, hundreds of thousands of workers have come from Bangladesh and the Philippines, as well as from other countries in North Africa and the Middle East. Some of them entered the country on legal work permits, but the vast majority came illegally.

Since the start of the fighting, close to 300,000 migrant workers have crossed from Libya into Tunisia and Egypt. Most are from poor countries that did not provide means for their citizens to return to their home countries. Most of the refugees arrived at the camps with little but the shirt on their backs, having been robbed by Libyan officials on their way out of the country. As the men and women at the Ras Adjir camp in Tunisia explained, this was not the first time they had been robbed or assaulted by Libyan authorities.
...
Illegal migrants are subject to abuse outside as well as inside the workplace. They face a greater risk of being beaten and robbed and are beholden to ghetto landlords who charge excessive rent as a form of hush money. Sub-Saharan Africans face racial discrimination as well. In 2000, Libyan youth participated in a wave of anti-immigrant violence targeted at black Africans, resulting in the deaths of between 50 and 500 people, a precursor to the current, though questionable reports that large numbers of Africans are serving as mercenaries for Gaddafi’s forces.

Although Gaddafi has opened the tap of migrant labor when it has served his political and economic purposes, variously invoking Pan-Africanism and Pan-Arabism, he has also cracked down hard on illegal migrants when the political winds have shifted. In recent years, the Libyan government has amped up the threat of deportation and randomly rounded up undocumented migrants or contract workers who have not renewed their licenses. Once rounded up, they are taken to one of at least ten known detention centers, where, according to Human Rights Watch, they have limited access to food, water, and sanitation. Detainees interviewed by Human Rights Watch report numerous instances of physical and sexual abuse, as well as accounts of detainees being unloaded into the desert or directly to human smugglers.
http://www.ips-dc.org/articles/migrant_workers_in_libya?du
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:22 AM
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4. Much as I did not want to believe it in the beginning
this problem is huge.

Read yesterday that over 500 Somalians, invited by Qaddafi to work in Libya, were trying to flee in fear of their lives.

The Europeans do not want them either.

I'll try to find the links regarding this very ugly aspect of this 'revolution', another reason that caused me to think twice about who I was supporting.
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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:50 AM
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6. Thanks To Both Of You!
I'll check out the links now.

I too am thinking twice about this situation, it's very disturbing...

Biker's Old Lady
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:29 PM
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10. Now I read it BOL
This is so heinous. This is an example of the old saying , "When fighting dragons, beware you don't turn into one."

I think this also affirms my belief that there is no absolutely good type of person. All groups, Whites, Blacks, Chinese, Indians, Buddhists, Jews, Egyptian and Libyan freedom fighters, all kinds of people have wonderful representatives and examples of rotten creeps.
Remember the mass sexual assault on an American female journalist was committed by the freedom fighters.

There are no absolutes. Everyone must stand up for justice and humanitarian efforts.
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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:11 PM
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7. sabrina 1...
Any luck with the link?

Biker's Old Lady
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:35 PM
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11. Catherina had a thread about this a week ago.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x734814

There were scattered reports last month that I didn't want to believe, but as this thing began to look less like a revolution and more like -whatever it is now- the reports started to coalesce and look more credible. We just aren't hearing things like the great coming together like what has happened in the Arab Spring countries.
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