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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:57 AM
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the U.S. would be accused of torture, that there would be photographic proof of such torture, and that a former U.S. president would flat out admit in writing that he had sanctioned such torture

a Democratic president would insist upon massive tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, but not on extended unemployment benefits for people who had been out of work for more than 99 weeks

twenty-two states would be considering measures that would intentionally substantially DECREASE the number of eligible voters

public education funding would be eviscerated in virtually every U.S. state with still no mention of a possible tax increase for the wealthy or for corporations

a sitting state governor would get caught on tape admitting that he had "thought about" planting troublemakers into a peaceful rally in order to sway public sentiment against the protesters, and he would be DEFENDED by his party

blatant, provable, and egregious voting "anomalies" would be found, proven, and acknowledged, but the results of that election(s) would be allowed to stand

a Democratic president and congress would usher through a massive giveaway to health insurance companies without so much as an OPTION for people to use a publicly funded program, and call it "REFORM"

a U.S. citizen would be incarcerated without charge, would be tortured during that incarceration, and would be demonized by a Democratic administration for many months, for the "crime" of making the public aware of, at the very least, a massive mistake by the U.S. military

our teachers, cops, firefighters and nurses would be villanized during a state "budget battle", and those doing the villanizing would WIN

I would not have believed you. The new "normal" sucks.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:00 AM
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1. It sure does.
Recommended, for the truth.

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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:41 PM
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113. Did U forget? Tax breaks for the wealthy was the only way he could get unemploment for the 99ers ext
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:43 PM
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114. We owe all of this to corporate republicans, FOX and hate radio.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:45 PM
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115. Lying, misinformation and propaganda works.No accountability allows it to continue.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:46 PM
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116. Billionaires have convinced the masses that following their agenda is fighting for your rights
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:49 PM
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117. Besides outsourcing most of the union jobs they have also offshored slavery
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:50 PM
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118. untaxed and unregulated capitalism is destroying us. Can't self regulate greed.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:55 PM
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119. Inside the Zen Diaper is FDR and Reagan.Who will prevail?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:32 PM
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123. Bull Shit. What a bunch of bull shit. Poor Obama. The republicans made him give the billionaires
huge tax breaks. Bullshit.
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:13 PM
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132. don't think
the 99 ers were included in on the ext. , everybody got it for 1 year except the 99ers , if i'm wrong , correct me
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:15 PM
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147. Sorry, the 99ers were left out of the tax breaks.
Their unemployment was NOT extended.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:00 AM
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2. K&R
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:10 AM
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3. K&R nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:12 AM
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4. Rec'd, I'm totally ashamed of this new *normal* n/t
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:21 AM
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5. I would have believed you. I have always had a hard time trusting "authority."
I grew up listening to punk rock.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:37 AM
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51. +1
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:21 AM
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6. k/r
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:26 AM
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7. I had already rec'd
But just wanted to say, I agree with you ~
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:40 AM
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8. So why accept it?
Why do we continue to participate in it? All it is doing is hurting us/everyone/humanity/our planet...
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:41 AM
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9. K & R
I would have figured that W & the Dick would have had themselves installed as Decider's in Chief for life in order to get us to this point.

Who knew? :shrug:
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:45 AM
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10. AFAIC...this should never be accepted as "normal".
We are going backwards and we are ending up in a big hideous hole because we are going the wrong way.

What the hell will it take to get us out of this black pit......wish I knew.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:48 AM
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11. +1
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:18 AM
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38. Excellent point
We are indeed going backwards.
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 02:41 AM
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12. Ten years ago we had Bush as President. Are you joking?
If you did not see this coming you were naive.

Which is not bad just ....
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:51 AM
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14. i found myself almost missing the bush years last week
when i realized that nearly ALL of my friends had JOBS in 2003.

now i am the only one who works.

i've had to become a social program of sorts.

we're talking about men with kids, families, more obligations than i've ever dreamed of taken on who cannot find any type of work.

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:12 AM
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21. I'm going to bookmark this post if you don't mind,
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 05:34 PM
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99. Really? Honestly, I would bet its the Clinton years you miss.
The Monkeyboy years were a downward spiral from day one.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:19 AM
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13. Hey... why are our teachers, nurses, firefighters being made to
feel the pain of what the bankers did by destroying this economy, but they, the bankers, get rewarded? This is wrong...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 05:06 AM
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15. Why?
Have you not been following what the Washington consensus has been inflicting on the rest of the planet. Who was behind the torture and murder of the citizens of Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Central America?

I could go on!!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 05:10 AM
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16. it's only catching up to my dream during 9/11
it will get worse. but have faith, all things end. :dilemma:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:15 AM
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17. osama bin laden accomplished what he sent in motion
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:15 AM
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22. The Bush's and bin Laden's were in business for 20 years & Al-qaeda comes from a CIA "database"
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 07:16 AM by grahamhgreen
"In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas.

Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company's senior advisor was Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle.

Interestingly, on Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group - including Bush senior, and his former secretary of state, James Baker - were meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden's brothers.

While all flights were halted following the terrorist attacks, there was one exception made: The White House authorized planes to pick up 140 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, living in various cities in the U.S. to bring them back to Saudi Arabia, where they would be safe. They were never interrogated.". http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898

"Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word Al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.<40> "
-http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:27 AM
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55. Al-Qaeda =Data base of the guys we requited.... I had heard before they were
CIA just didn't understand the name reference until now....
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:05 PM
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68. Just another story out of too many, that our fair & balanced media never reported on.
I honestly don't see a way out of this clusterfuck. Certainly not by using the ballot box. The electoral process is totally corrupt & compromised.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:53 PM
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75. You should be a Comedian
Don't forget to tip your BFEE.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:20 PM
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91. ..........
:thumbsdown:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:44 AM
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18. Yes it does! knr. n/t
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:50 AM
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19. You stated the truth very well.......
The new "normal" not only sucks but is also a slap right in our faces. k&r
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:11 AM
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20. The perfect countries exist on Jupiter or Venus, not Earth. Americans can work with democrats
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:24 AM
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24. What does "Americans can work with democrats" mean? The latter (capital "D") aren't Americans?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:23 AM
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23. Ten years ago? Highly credible. But FORTY-THREE years ago? Never would I have lent credence.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:29 AM
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25. And people on a Dem messageboard freakout if you say PRIMARY HIM.
PRIMARY OBMAMA :kick:

Russ Feingold, we need you to run for President!
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:53 AM
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27. The Party would never allow it.
It's the reason we have the illusion of Democracy and not actual Democracy. Remember the last presidential primary they ensured that our "choice" would be between Obama and Obama in a pantsuit.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:42 AM
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43. WE ARE THE PARTY.
:kick: And if we aren't the party, WE MUST TAKE OVER THE PARTY.
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:18 AM
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30. Primary Obama
YES, primary his sorry ass. If we don't primary him I will not vote ever again. It is a scam that I can no longer participate in perpetrating. Our votes are like the votes in the old USSR, totally a farce since the winners are decided before the election. I do not think Obama believed all of the things he said during the campaign and did what he has done. Either his family has been threatened or he was acting from the very beginning. When he spoke at the Democratic convention in 2004, I said, 'that man is going to be our first black President." Maybe it was just a bit too convenient that he played a major role at the convention while being a freshman. Maybe he was picked in 2004 to win in 2008 and they spent four years grooming him for the role. Yes, I have become terribly cynical.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:21 AM
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32. Do you know who was the highlighted speaker at the 1988 convention?
Bill Clinton.

Another politician whom no one outside his region had heard of before.

Things that make you go "hmmm."
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:29 AM
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33. Thanks
I had forgot about that. There does seem to be a trend starting there. Very interesting in fact.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:57 PM
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108. I remember that speech
I thought that speech ended any chancxe he had of making higher office. I was wrong (again)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:16 PM
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110. +1 It really does make you wonder.... n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 02:11 PM
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79. Of course he was. I remember that big debut in 2004 as well-- AND
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 02:18 PM by Marr
the adoring coverage he got all throughout the corporate media for days afterwards. That was when I knew he was in their pocket, and likely to run for the Presidency. But so was Hillary Clinton, the other "viable" Democratic candidate (and they were both ordained as such in the media before the first primary vote was held). So was McCain, of course, and Romney, and everyone else our media sold as "serious candidates".
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 03:16 PM
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82. Yup, when the corporate media started acting--IN 2007, FOR CRYINOUTLOUD--
as if Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were the only two Democratic candidates, I knew the fix was in. We were going to get a corporatist no matter what.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:04 AM
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37. Not sure it makes much difference anymore.
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 09:09 AM by neoralme
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:40 AM
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40. I agree, primary Obama
We cannot continue on the same course. This administration is too timid to do what needs to be done; it's time for a change in leadership.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:39 AM
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62. The only alternative is to insist on a primary challenger
and as Democrats we can let the President know that we will not support him..But does he care? Does he believe he can win with moderates.

Draft Sanders
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/draft-sanders-in-2012/
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:54 PM
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78. Thanks for the link
Signed!
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:03 PM
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87. Proud to be #92
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:09 PM
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120. #94...
They're looking for a million,
long way to go.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:33 PM
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124. Pres Obama made a deal with the devil. He lets the war criminals walk and they let him live. nm
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:57 PM
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141. he doesn't care because he knows how it works..that is why we're having this conversation..nt
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:10 PM
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144. Signed. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:36 PM
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102. Well, I do, because "primary" IS NOT A VERB.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:00 PM
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142. feingold/grayson would turn this country around..nt
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:39 AM
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26. Confessions Of An Economic Hitman
Great book. TPTB have now decided to apply its formula to America.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:58 AM
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28. K&R- I remember when this was a really great country....nt
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:03 AM
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29. Me Either
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 08:07 AM by WVRICK13
I can't believe they have destroyed our country in so few years. It has been an onslaught of small steps happening so frequently that the public can't keep their eye on the ball. Every day there are two or three new actions that taken alone are cause for concern but not enough to warrant panic. However, if you look at the changes in one week alone they are alarming. The voters are in sensory overload and tend to tune out the changes that are hurting them. Where I really panic is when I look at the differences between 2000 and now. So you realize how many freedoms we have lost? How much the deck is stacked for the wealthy? How unaccountable our government has become? How similar both parties have become? How far right is now the center? How much we are becoming a total military state like Sparta? In Sparta the general population was poor and the only way to survive was to be in the army. The unemployment has not been fixed because it serves the purpose of the military. The cutting of social services will drive more volunteers to the military to survive. New and better methods of identifying and tracking every citizen are developed every day. Our right to negotiate is gone. Our right to protest peacefully is gone. We have a shadow government with puppets in front. Hell, even the puppets are now flaunting their total control in our faces and there isn't much we can do about it.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:35 AM
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35. The problem is, they have a long-range plan
We don't
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:41 AM
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41. Yeah, we do....
...

The 2012 Democratic Platform


We will pass new tax laws that spread the tax burden fairly across the economic spectrum, with those benefiting most from our society contributing commensurately.

We will pass law to protect the right of workers to organize and have a voice in the operation of US businesses. This will include raising the minimum wage to $20.00 per hour to ensure a reasonable standard of living for all working families and to stimulate our sluggish economy.

We will pass law to provide Medicare for All so no American is denied care or has to suffer financial hardship because of health problems, and no American businesses are saddled with health costs that keep them from competing fairly with foreign competitors. This plan will include a safety net to guarantee every citizen is provided the food and shelter necessary to survive difficult challenges in their lives.



We will withdraw of all US military and contracted personnel from Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead of the hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives being wasted on these wars, we will instead provide aid to these countries, and to other depressed areas where atrocious conditions breed terrorists.

We will order the Department of Justice to investigate those who led us into these wars to determine if war crime charges are warranted. If so, they will be prosecuted with vigor and any ill-gained profits shall be returned to the people.

We will order the Commerce Department to present a holostic plan for maintaining and advancing the infrastructure of our great country.

We will order the Secretary of Education to present new plans to guarantee all Americans have access to our public schools, from pre-kindergarten through advanced degrees.

We will order Homeland Security to present a new plan for securing our borders from those who would do us harm while allowing appropriate travel and visitation to our many friends around the world. This plan is to include a path to citizenship for those who serve in the US military, or who came here as children and are now productive members of our society.

We will order the Department of Energy to begin another Manhattan Project to enable us to cease our dependence on fossil fuels. At the same time, I am announcing the nationalization of all US oil and gas reserves, as well as other reserves owned by the citizens of the US that are currently being extracted from our soil for private profit without regard for our environment.

We will order the Department of Justice to begin immediately to root out crimes of corruption within our government. In concert with this, I want Congress to pass laws to ensure elected officials are serving for the benefit of the American people as a whole, not to gain wealth or power for themselves or their friends.


And finally, we are asking you, the People, to help with the most critical problem facing our Democracy today. Were asking you, the People, to pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting political spending by corporations or any other entity or individual not qualifying as a person with citizenship in this great country.


These and other policies we will put in place will cause a sea-change in how our country serves the citizens - We the People - rather than a tiny handful of super-wealthy who would subvert our democracy and plunder our wealth while denying even the most basic services for our citizens. Thank you for your support and thank you for standing up for the rights of all citizens.


Vote Democrat - 2012

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tonybgood Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:57 AM
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66. Interesting Platform
I like what you have here. I would like to offer some tweaks in your platform, if I might.

I'm not sure that "new" laws are what we need as much as simplified laws. Do away with all the confusing deductions and tax shelters, etc., and have a simple system. 10k personal exemption up to 40k for a family of 4. 10% to 250k. Every dollar above 250k at 15% to 1m. 1m to 20m at 20%. 20m to 100m at 25%.Anything above 100m 35%. Easy to figure out, no excuses not to pay.

I agree with everything in regards to labor except the $20.00 minimum wage. Some jobs simply aren't worth $20 an hour. The real trick is to create businesses and a skilled, educated labor force that are worth the good paying jobs and producing the valuable products we need to advance our society. That's where I think some of your other ideas fit in.

Single payer health care is a no-brainer!!! A social safety net would be much easier to provide when combined with some of your other ideas as well.

Withdrawing troops from Iraq and Afghanistan is a good start. We haven't withdrawn or troops from WWII, the Korean War, or the Gulf War. There is a reason, of course. It's called "oil". In case you haven't noticed, the same types of problems that confronted the world at the beginning of the last century are again teetering the world on the brink of World War III. If we don't find real solutions to these problems, history will repeat itself.

That's a good start for the Justice Dept. I think once the tax laws have been simplified, all those IRS accountants can move to Justice so we can sort out the banking mess. When this happened at the turn of the last century, T. Roosevelt had people prosecuted. This is a point in time where a repeat of history should occur.

Infrastructure improvements: High speed rail for interstate travel built right on top of our already existing interstate highway system. Decentralize the electric power grid by having all new homes built supply their own power and retrofitting older homes to be more energy efficient. Phased shutdown of all nuclear plants and replacement with other technologies.

Education idea is spot-on; there should also be standards set that reward the best, brightest and most productive students as well as provide a framework for active interest and participation in our political system.

Securing our borders is of the utmost importance. My only problem here is walking the balance between enforcement of the law and rewarding those who are in violation of the law.

We have the technologies available to do all of this. We simply have to coordinate it's integration into our society with new infrastructure.

You want to root out corruption in the government. Term limits for Congress. No former employee of the government can lobby the government. Election laws that protect individuals instead of groups. Election laws that prohibit money from outside a congressional district from being spent in that district.

This kind of platform would encourage me to vote Democratic; provided, of course; we could get a candidate to run on this.

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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:08 PM
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69. Thanks for your thoughtful comments. My 'proposed platform' is ....
...regularly dismissed as rainbows and unicorns. Your suggestions are excellent and will be worked into V2.0.


The one thing that everyone picks on is the minimum wage. I agree $20 is high; I want to see what people think is practical and pragmatic. Your thoughts?
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:11 PM
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70. never mind... self delete
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 12:17 PM by 2banon
I mistakenly took your title seriously.. whereas i responded with skeptism and questions appropriate if the platform was in fact, official.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 05:32 PM
Original message
Are you a DNC delegate?
If you are not, get busy the delegate elections are coming up.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:19 AM
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31. If I had known what was going to happen to this country,
I would have taken the opportunities that I had to emigrate in the 1970s and 1980s.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:33 AM
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34. They can call it the new" normal." in my eyes
it obscene. K/R
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:37 AM
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36. this behavior by the govt. is old. now the veil is off.
that's the only difference.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:36 AM
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39. I'm right there with you
You forgot to mention that a large chunk of Democratic Party activists would defend what's going on and accuse the rest of us who dare question the status quo of being troublemakers for the Party and the President.
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:04 AM
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45. Thanks for that one.
I knew when I was writing these that others would come up with more examples of "new normal" just as bad as the ones I listed, if not worse. More's the pity.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:55 PM
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140. one thing about living this ridiculous experience is that first you're shocked, depressed, etc
then you become fearless in the face of bs..i was so low i was gonna off myself a couple years ago..then i snapped out of it..now i think, what more can they do, kill me?..because i can do that myself..something about getting kicked to the curb and watching the same thing happen to millions of others that makes you wise up..open your eyes and have a full tilt bs barometer on at all times..
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:12 PM
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145. I can totally relate xiamiam
:hug:
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:40 PM
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150. you can pm me anytime..i really truly understand
haven't you always known that you came here for some reason beyond you..beyond anything you could put your finger on..I used to say, oh I'm here to anchor the planet..well, in some ways we are..we are faced with unbelievable adversity..this would not be a collective experience if the cosmos did not need us to change..for the greater good of all mankind..really change..none of us would have chosen these lessons.but damn it, if i have to go thru it, i'm gonna learn something..and ultimately, it has nothing to do with power or money or anything other than your heart
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ctsnowman Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:41 AM
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42. Sad but true.
+1
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:44 AM
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44. I defy the new
'normal.'
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:07 AM
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46. Primary Obama.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:10 AM
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53. The moment seems perfect for a true populist candidate...
...but nobody seems to want to take on the system - maybe it looks like an impossible task.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:19 PM
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73. It sure looks impossible to me. nt
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:51 PM
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139. someone who tells the truth could do it..just stand up and say it
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 10:51 PM by xiamiam
i read here that obama is going to spend a billion dollars on his campaign..i am not impressed..as a matter of fact it just makes me angrier..a billion dollars?..why?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:26 AM
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161. I agree that a truthteller could run with this right now - the people are...
...so sick of being conned and screwed over - and the campaign has written itself: THE PEOPLE vs CORPORATE TAKEOVER
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:11 PM
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90. Unfortunately, it won't work.
The DNC and DLC will never allow a true lefty to be nominated, and if there was a miracle and a primary candidate got traction, he would suffer the same fate as George McGovern who was literally sabotaged by his own supposed party.

Traditionally, incumbents that have been "primaried" tend to conducted scorched earth practices (if not me, no one will)... and the party goes deeply wounded and weaken into the polls. Thus making the GOP's campaign better.

In other words, the system is rigged. The best people can hope for is the "more friendly" taste of corporatist lackey that the DNC/DLC will allow. The whole concept of politics is flawed anyways, it has been morphed into any other profession, and in the end anything in a capitalist system is seeking increased profits. There is little profit for either the GOP or the DNC in doing the bidding of the people, because individuals and their checkbooks are no match for the deep pockets of corporations. Even a 3rd party, if it was to also "magically" gain traction would eventually morph into a money making operation.

Oh, well... money makes the world go around
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 03:59 AM
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155. I will not accept this.
Not after the DNC and DLC has been complicit while the GOP destroyed the nation.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:11 AM
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47. HUGE K & R !!!
Yep...

:puke:

:kick:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:13 AM
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48. Agreed... with one exception; Obama did NOT 'insist' on tax breaks

for 'millionaires' and 'billionaires'.
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Avant Guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:29 AM
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56. Yes he did
He merely relabeled it 'bipartisanship'
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 05:07 PM
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162. Cute, but nonetheless inaccurate.
That's like saying the robbery victim 'willingly' gave up his watch.

Sure... you could say that.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:24 AM
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49. Fascism has long been in the air -- we all need our BS meters turned waaaay up higher -- !!
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:25 AM
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50. Could not agree more.
My father, a WWII and Korea veteran, career Army major died in 1999. I've thought many times if he were alive today, he wouldn't recognize the country he sacrificed for. The values he so dearly believed in, the same ones he so carefully taught me, no longer exist in government. How terribly sad!
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:12 PM
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72. Mine died tragically by fire a year earlier, and my mother had warned me that we would be in trouble
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 12:13 PM by Urban Prairie
once his generation mostly died off, obviously she was correct.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:48 AM
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52. I'm not sure if things have changed so much, or if we're just more aware of what's happening...
...due to the internets.

Either way, the idea that the U.S. is a democracy or "exceptional" is propaganda.
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:25 AM
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54. Unfortunately, you are right. Well said.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:30 AM
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57. recommend
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:30 AM
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58. You hit it right on the head (n/t)
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:31 AM
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59. How did the President refuse to extend unempoyment benefits?
Was that something he called for?
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:33 AM
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60. It's reaching a tipping point.
There's a lot on the left that are disgruntled, as evident by the Wisconsin protests, and other left-wing labor protests across the country. We need a voice.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:33 AM
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61. It is shameful to reward unethical behavior
at the top while those who are the infrastructure of this society are being asked to sacrifice and be silent. This society is indeed decaying into a power structure crafted for abuse, and we all know it. Human rights are slipping away, piece by piece.

This type of 'normal' has to be enabled in order for it to work--and it only works on some people all of the time--the rest of the people are not going along with this 'program'.... As far as this establishment is concerned, those not going along with the program are problems. They have no plans to listen to us, only makes the best sounds at 'voting' time, then move ahead with the agenda.

Ten years ago this would sound like a crazy tinfoil hat theory, but the old tinfoil has become the new 'normal'. We cannot go along with this program, and have to stay diligent to those who have been 'programmed' --they seem to be everywhere these days.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:49 AM
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63. It all started with the President being selected by the Supreme Court in 2000
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:12 PM
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71. That's when 'they' learned our tolerance for abuse. However, the beginning of
the end began, for me anyway, with the swearing in of actor/president Reagan.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:46 PM
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128. Amen. Cuz he camoflaged the real evil, H-W, et al.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 02:56 AM
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154. He surely did. nt
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:48 PM
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137. exactly..downhill from there..and i knew it..then..sat glued to the tv
with my jaw dropped..still cant believe it..but they got away with it and they've been getting away with more and more..now they are bold brazen mfers..stealing houses, breaking laws, torturing, owning the media and putting out pr statements that even some here mimic..like if you cant afford a house you never should have entered a contract..who the hell knew that our investments would be worth less than half what we paid..and everyone goes about their business like its okey dokey...beyond bs
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:50 AM
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64. K&R
Welcome to DU!
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:56 AM
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65. A bsolutely agree with one
exception: "and those doing the villanizing would WIN."

They haven't won yet, and as long as the teachers, firefighters and cops and all union folks and workers go to the streets and the rest of us have their backs by going with them "those doing the villanizing" just might not win.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:00 PM
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67. If you had told me 2 1/2 years ago that
members of the Democratic Party would cheer for the same policies they were against under George W. Bush, I would have not believed it.

We need REAL change.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:52 PM
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74. Unfortunately, "sucks" does not even BEGIN to describe this situation. n/t
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:10 PM
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76. This could be done over and over...
As sad as it is, things like this could have been said 20 years ago ABOUT 10 years down the line. Some things improve, but some things go into the shitter. It's unfortunate, but it happens.
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joanbarnes Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:10 PM
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77. So sad, and SO true!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 02:18 PM
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80. It's obvious that people at the top are in freak mode.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 03:14 PM
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81. Welcome to the Oreck party - sucks big time.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 03:16 PM
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83. K and R
:thumbsup:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 03:22 PM
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84. You can see the societal split right here on DU
between those who are acclimated and those who are not. Tragedy really.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:16 PM
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121. ...and pugnaciously acclimated at that!
No doubt the OP will be spammed with hate for not "getting over" these things.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:44 PM
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136. between those who are comfortable and those who are not
and haven't a clue that they are not a part of the in crowd..because they are not, unless they are kissin ass..which no matter how broke i am, i will not do..and no matter who supports all these wars, i will think they are a jerk..president or not..tell me why we are in afghanistan?
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:39 AM
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156. Don't worry about having to kiss ass. That doesn't even work anymore.
No, the new message from the power elite is crystal clear: Just fuck off and die, America. But first give us everything else you own that we don't already have.
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 03:53 PM
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85. I Don't Know What Can Be Said...
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 04:05 PM by WiffenPoof
...after such an excellent post.

I will say this...

There are people here that constantly support this administration and try to make the rest of us look like we "hate" the President and quibble about the direction he is (continuing to) take this country.

Do you get it now??? Do you finally understand why there is such disappointment and even anger at the current Administration which has either authored some of the above or has continued policies from the previous administration.

We are made out to be radicals for our Democratic beliefs...made to feel like we are on the fringe when all we are saying is that we need a LEADER who will uphold long-held Dem principles and stick to them regardless.

I had a choice a few months ago to either compromise and accept the "new" Dem party with their Blue Dogs and bipartisanship or hold to my principles. Guess where I stand?

-PLA

On Edit...And don't give me that "hope you enjoy Palin" crap. It only reveals your unwillingness to accept the truth.

-P
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:01 PM
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86. They get it, and they do not care.
Narrative is more important for some people than facts, reality, or decency.

Money walking and all that stuff...
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:44 AM
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157. At this rate, I'm convinced that a President Palin would only hasten the destruction...
that's inevitably going to happen anyway. I honestly don't see how the policies this administration is so vigorously pursuing (many of which, in all fairness, continue from the previous administration) are in the long run going to help us at all.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:05 PM
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88. k&r
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:07 PM
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89. 10 years ago there had not yet been the neocon coup d'etat that IS 9/11 n/t
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:37 PM
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103. The coup d'etat was the 2000 SCOTUS decision.
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 06:39 PM by WinkyDink
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 02:52 AM
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153. that was phase 1 but it didn't get them the patriot act or the ME wars
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:22 PM
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92. Well, we had a political coup in 2000. Another stolen election in 2004.
Then followed misery, poverty and wars. Evidently many many wars. This country is morally bankrupt and it will take a team of ADULTS to fix this mess...if it can be fixed.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:25 PM
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93. K&R
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:28 PM
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94. Oh Yeah!
K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:50 PM
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95. By 1984 in the Reagan era, I would have completely believed it.
People believed much worse than that was going to happen, and a couple of folks I know left the country then.

I didn't believe the wackier theories, but the economic war being won by the wealthiest? Completely believable, especially since so many Working union Dems fell for all the "Morning in America" bullshit, and still Reagan--just as shitty as can be--union-busted bigtime.

Most of america's citizens have been happily helpful in their country's demise.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:54 PM
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96. Sad to say, it was SOP for many years in some areas of the world with our money, unknown to some.
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 05:09 PM by freshwest
The ONLY thing I'm grateful to Bush regime is for throwing in right in our faces, making us see just what we were capable of doing. They pulled back the curtain and showed us exactly how they and their kind have been running the world. No more fooling around.

Since then, people have chosen to approve of the MIC, the wars, the power brokers, the loss of rights and the social contract for whatever reason and others did not. We are divided down that line.

Over forty years ago I said what we did to others would come back to haunt us, that we were like everyone else in the world, no better and no worse. Now we see what has been done in our name for years and it is terrifying. I am not saying 'I told you so.'

Whether we could have stopped any of it, I honestly don't know. Perhaps this is much bigger and from deeper roots in the past than most of us knew, or even a natural progression of society. The level of social stratification we have achieved in our day to day lives, in competition with each other, mindlessly created this tyranny.

I've explored alternative history for many years. But just this year, I am going to finally read the entire text of the book written by Howard Zinn, 'A People's History of the United States.' I found it online on the website, 'History Is A Weapon.' Whether it will give me or anyone else the tools to get out of this dilemma, IDK.

Honestly, if I'd known anything near what I know now, twenty or thirty years ago, I would have moved to Canada to have one foot in another country as well as my home here. Too late now, because of obligations, many of us have to deal with the consequences.

Our best shot is to be as independent of this system as we can.


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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:57 PM
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97. Would you have believed it ten years ago if you had been told that the Democratic party
and "progressives" wouldn't even mention homelessness, let alone do anything about it?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:46 PM
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104. Well, now that almost every other person knows someone who is
Or is about to become homeless, it does get mentioned a bit more.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:52 PM
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106. Yeah, probably maybe 5 or 6 people "mention" it more.
Sadly, the awareness of real facts vs myths is still abominable, and as for action...HAH!

Oh wait.. I guess it WAS a huge issue in Madison.

NOT.

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 05:32 PM
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98. K and R
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:15 PM
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100. REC. nt.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:25 PM
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101. K&R
Me, neither. I wouldn't have believed it. It sucks ... big time!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:47 PM
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105. It's a Palin kind of world now. "I can see Russia from my house."
The world has taken a turn for the worse when it comes to rational thought.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 06:55 PM
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107. 10 years ago if you had told me there would be 8 people for every job and
that people had been out of work for 99 weeks I'd have said you were crazy.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:09 PM
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109. Ten years from now we'll be watching Ow, My Balls! and getting law degrees from Costco. nt
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:20 PM
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112. LOL....
I wonder if "OW My Balls!" will be an interactive program...
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:18 PM
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111. Yes indeed it do suck.....
Republicrats and Democons same, same.... both are bought and paid for by special interests.... Hope and Change what a crock of shit that turned out to be....

So who do we follow?
Where is the leadership?
Where are the principled Liberals?
It is time to stand up and be counted, the world is changing and in America we are running in place.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:26 PM
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122. K&R n/t
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:36 PM
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125. So we are getting f'ed by both the republicans and the democrats what are you going to do?
Primary Obama is impossible. The Democratic machine will crush all attempts.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:40 PM
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135. first we admit the truth..then we galvanize our energy..nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:16 PM
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148. I agree. We need to get the word out. nm
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:38 PM
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126. Ten years ago was right before 911
But right after 911 I'd have believed it all and worse. We're lucky we aren't a police state as a result of 911.

Though you are wrong about the D President - he agreed to the tax cuts for other benefits, including unemployment.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:39 PM
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127. knr nt
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:55 PM
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129. I didn't appreciate the 90s enough.

But we should have been forewarned from the blow job impeachment that things could only go down from there.
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 09:38 PM
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130. It has been building
I am not surprised.

The collapse of manufacturing and unions; the separation ( with roots from the 60s and 70s) of the Democratic Party and unions; globalization and free trade; the creation of bubbles to inflate the economy; deregulation of finace which allowed reckless speculation; 9/11 followed by the 'war on terror', which made a mockery of the rule of law ; an illegal/immoral invasion of Iraq.
These are some of the causal factors ( but not all). Another root cause is the level of political apathy and willed ignorance. This is a real problem.

We had in, 2007/08, a near economic meltdown. This was caused by the bursting of created bubbles. The lack of manufacuring jobs - mostly out sourced - have made a recovery very difficult.

Large segments of the population are now driven by misdirected fear and anger
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:39 PM
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134. and shock..that their lives are falling or have fallen apart
once you experience that, you have a sixth sense when others are in a similar situation. I swear I can read minds at times when I see folks struggling with their basket in the grocery store...what to put back, etc. I've never seen anything quite like it and I find myself resenting those who have blinders on. I'm ok now but the shock of it almost did me in..Now, I'm just pissed.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:04 PM
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143. I'm pissed an exhausted
I work a 40 hour "part time" job, and do another 20-30 hours of freelance every week-and it's still not enough to pay for the health care I need. I just spent 15-20 hours on one job that paid $150.00. The freelance just doesn't pay what it once did-not even close. But I'm lucky; I was unemployed for most of two years before I landed the "part time" work. At least I know that I can keep the lights on and I won't lose my house. Millions of others are not as fortunate. How much more can we take? The exhaustion and hopelessness takes a toll, for sure. If my folks weren't still alive I would probably consider checking out early, since I see nothing ahead of me but more relentless labor for less and less $$. But I realize that the ruling elite WANT us to give up. We're nothing more that useless eaters if we aren't working 16 hours a day, right? I don't know how we can fight back, but we must FIND a way. This kind of "living" is no living at all.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:30 PM
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149. interesting that you say that because i posted in this thread that i had the same feelings a couple
years ago..first time i ever shared that on du..its made me stronger actually..what i said in the upthread is what i think now..what are they gonna do? kill me..because i can do that myself..and getting to that place was not easy as you have to hit the bottom emotionally to understand it...so i hear you..really. That's why I can tell when people are in that spot. We only have each other and the truth. Money, power are illusions. Who we are and how we love and what we give is what matters. Now, I'm unafraid to speak the truth that I live..and I can see bs walking toward me a mile away..

I believed all the stuff, the American dream, etc..perfect credit, a chicken in every pot...and this is really funny..I have never said this on du..but I would be gone, off the planet..but I decided that I would vote before I did it. I hated gwb so much, i thought it was my duty. So I decided to vote and then check out. Longest October of my life. The excitement and hope of the election lifted my spirits and that combined with returning to an art form I had abandoned years before helped me get thru. I'm a singer but i gave up that gift for 20 years while building my idea of security, etc, retirement, singlehandedly fixing up old houses. I got sick, and then I got caught in the mess and my life went to the left...along with millions of others. At the lowest point, I dragged myself to a coffee shop to sing with my friend, a jazz piano player. Little by little, I found me again and the blinders fell off, never to be put back on.



Hang in..I understand..Screw them and their bs..Love..and know you are loved. I'm up for the fight now. Nothin to lose, everything to gain.

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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:03 AM
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159. blind kittens
The professional politicians are blind kittens - from the highest to the lowest - and that is exactly what they want to be.

The people at the top of the totem pole - the economic elite - do not care and they never have cared.

Getting organized and finding a way to fight back is necessary!
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:14 AM
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160. blinders
I see that struggling as well; and, I live in TX which does have the sort of adversity that places like CA and MI have. I see people with the blinders too. Those people do not have a clue; living by "ignorance is bliss".

Toughest economic situation in my lifetime. And, I am 65.

I was hoping that we would avoid a recession. Professional pols have no political courage; no moral courage. Mainstream economists have no solutions; and, the ones that do are considered crackpots. Looking at those two groups, I knew that nothing useful would be done.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:01 PM
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131. Sucks doesn't even begin to describe it
This country is fucked the fuck up.
We have millions of American who are unemployed with little to no hope of finding employment anytime soon. Our Government is doing nothing about it other than using the unemployed as pawns for the 2012 elections.
1 in 4 of American children live in poverty. At the same time food stamps are being cut and bills are being brought up to deny food stamps to the families of workers who dare to go on strike to demand better working conditions, benefits and pay.
Instead of getting out of the two stupid wars that we can not afford, both in human lives and in money, we get into another war.
Teachers, firefighters, police officers and other public employees are being demonized. We are being told that they are the reasons behind some states budget problems. At the same time their wages benefits and Collective bargaining rights are being cut, millionaires and billionaires are getting tax cuts. The Federal government also joined by crying broke and freezing federal employee wages for 2 years at the same time passing tax cuts for the rich.
It is time for a revolt. It started in Madison Wisconsin and needs to spread across all 50 states. We don't have to take the bullshit anymore. Waiting on the Democrats to do the right thing we will be waiting until it is to late. The Democrats except for a few has shown that they will not or afraid to stand up to the assaults on the American Workers. We can not afford to wait for them to grow a spine and fight for the people that elected them instead of fighting for the wall street banksters who finance the elections.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:36 PM
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133. The new normal makes one sick at heart to even belong to it. nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 10:48 PM
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138. We're living in bizarro world. I really wonder what this would be like had Gore been elected.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:53 AM
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158. Probably the same.
Because he would have been forced to use the same playbook or be Clintoned from day one or, worse, JFK'ed.

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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:14 PM
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146. The cheering for the new normal infuriates me.
Fuck the new Dem standards. I refuse to accept them.
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themadstork Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:42 PM
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151. What do we do?
Edited on Sun Mar-27-11 11:43 PM by themadstork
I can't figure it out. I'm an aspiring novelist who sees the democratic spirit that inspires me to write in the first place slowly being sucked out of society. I feel like my craft is dead: literary experience is irrelevant in such a poisoned society.

I have one major tool: my ability and willingness to write and research at length. I'm desperate to find a way to use my work to advance the principles of liberalism but I can't figure out what that is. Sometimes I think I should become a historian, devote myself to alt history, offer an interpretative challenge the to reigning turd that is our admiration for crony capitalism.

But at some level it seems futile. Has the war been won? Are we doomed to live in the capitalists' collective shadow?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:57 PM
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152. kicking for truth. Gut wrenchingly true.
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