I give up - the US is dead. The part worth saving at least

[Taverner]

And the rest will rot to the core as the fish rots from the head down

During the Bush admin they stripped away our Constitutional rights

Since then the American People spoke and elected BHO

BHO repaid them by letting the Republicans go on their democricide with cutting unions, schools, police, etc

And BHO stood by.

He didn't put on his comfy shoes and march in WI

He didn't even say a thing

Lately its been as if Reagan were still president

Fuck it

It ain't worth it

Let the fish rot - there's nothing anyone can do

The Democratic Party has sold out

The GOP is already a subsidiary of Haliburton Corp

And any third party is doomed

So fuck it. I am waiting for the day that the US finally runs out of money, and the Fed is unable to preserve the union

At that time I highly reccomend to any and all of you to move somewhere friendly

Stay out of the boonies, and stay away from the Conservatives

At that point they'll be playing soldier with lots of guns and bombs - let them kill each other

[tibbiit]

1. I agree with you

get out while the getting is good. but where?
Canada
Uruguay
Nicaragua

I always come back to Canada.
tib

[Taverner]

4. California

In the wake of the USA's collapse, California will remain

[villager]

15. The return of the Bear Flag Republic....

...in the wake of America, inc's collapse...

Though even then, there could be subdivisions...

[Taverner]

20. Governments change

Happened a lot in history

Think Venice in the far gone wake of the Roman Empire

Think of the Roman Empire in the long wake from Hellenistic Greece

[deaniac21]

17. Until it crashes into the ocean.

[Taverner]

19. Nah that's just the part I live on

Although up in the hills enough to be part of "Bay Area Island"

[JDPriestly]

21. I marched with many thousands this morning in downtown LA.

California is on the move.

We are going to raise our state taxes.

I think that will mean that we pay lower federal taxes since the amount we pay in state taxes is, if I understand it correctly, not subject to federal taxes.

California is deeply in debt -- but pays more than its share of federal taxes.

We are going to look out for ourselves and protect our union rights. We are also going to let the people in Louisiana and Mississippi, Ohio and Indiana live with the tax base they have after they have lowered all the incomes in their states.

The people united can never be divided.

[MineralMan]

31. +100.

You did more today than the America bashers do in a year. Thank you! That is how it keeps going. That is how we turn things around. Bravo!

[Taverner]

48. "We are going to raise our state taxes."

Dog I hope so

I'm a homeowner, and I have no problem rolling back Prop 13

[Webster Green]

23. Yep. I'll be staying in the hills of Northern California.

:thumbsup:

[Shagbark Hickory]

8. Except canada is in the control of conservatives and despite being forced into another election,

will likely pick up more seats in the parliment.

[cali]

2. That's not the state of things where I live.

[Kurmudgeon]

3. People were saying the same in the 70s and 80s, you have to fight every day.

[Taverner]

5. And it keeps getting worse and worse

[Casandia]

6. Historians will look back...

and figure out the year that the US died, kinda like the year the Roman Empire ended.

[Taverner]

9. 2000

At least that's where I'd start.

Although there are good cases to be made for 1980 and 1963 of course

[Scuba]

14. All of those would work. Or 2011 can be known as the year we started fighting back. n/t

[old mark]

7. K&R- I am reading a book about the US railroads in the 1850's, and how sections

of the US were in effect seperate countries, and the politicians were interested in their own financial gain above all else, while the "great men" of the day made their money by lies and intimidation and swindling...It sounds very like today, and it led directly to the Civil War.
(The book is "Hear That Lonesome Whistle Blow", by Dee Brown, who is a fine historian.)

mark

[Shagbark Hickory]

10. If you sat around and watched msnBS all day, this is the kind of outlook on life you would have.

[MedleyMisty]

16. That's why I keep telling people to turn off their TVs

The Libyans keep saying that if the UN would take out Libyan state TV, it would be one of the best things they could do to help the revolution.

Kill your TV. Decolonize your mind. See the reality outside the flickering screen, where a substantial part of the human race is rising up against its oppressors.

Nearly half a million marched in London today. I've seen tweets about actions taken against BofA branches here in the US, about a march in NYC, about all sorts of things that people all over the world are doing to fight and win. Stuff that is either not being shown or is being twisted all to hell on that damned one-way flickering screen.

Turn it off. Talk to real people. Use the internet for more than bitching on DU. Come back to reality.

The main thing you need for a revolution is hope. That would be why the TV is trying to kill it, why there are trolls here trying to bring you down and kill it.

Never give in. Never give up.

[JDPriestly]

22. I agree, MedleyMisty.

Giving up TV saves you money in more ways than one -- plus it is the most effective way to say no to the machine that is burying us all.

[rasputin1952]

11. Wow...you give up easily...

Maybe I've been fighting the RW machine too long, I can't give up, and will fight them until they are no longer a pariah. There will be ice skating in hell before I give in to what they want.

[Curmudgeoness]

12. I want to give CPR to that fish. If it doesn't die, it doesn't rot.

I have been through a lot of ups and downs in this country, and although I believe that we are on the down side of our prosperity and power, this slide will not be fast enough for me to worry about.

The pendulum will swing too far one way, then too far to the other way. That is how it has always been, and we have to keep pointing out the insanity of policies that are destructive.

[TheKentuckian]

44. At no time has the pendulum swung too far toward control and prosperity for the people.

Never have we swung too far toward liberal policy prescriptions or worldview.

Platitudes need to jibe with reality to be more than trite talk.

[Jackpine Radical]

54. What you said.

You pretty much saved me from having to type a nearly identical response that I had on the tips of my fingers.

Show me a time when we got excessively socialist.

[rrneck]

13. It'll work out.

It won't be easy, but sooner or later the real people in this country will push back hard enough to get a fair shake.

I wish that just once we could do it without getting skulls cracked and buildings burned down. It's as if the rich set up a people fleecing machine that they can't (or won't) control and they're amazed when there are people at the gates with pitchforks and torches. They're like a really stupid virus that doesn't know enough to quit before it kills the host.

[socialist_n_TN]

35. RE: Your last sentence is something I've said...........

and believed for a long time. The capitalist/exploiting class is SO stupid/greedy/both that they CAN'T EVEN SAVE THEMSELVES. We will have to save ALL of us, INCLUDING them, IF we are to be saved.

I'm FIRMLY convinced that if profit could be made off of the end of the world COMING NEXT WEEK, they would try to make profit off of it rather than try to stop it.

[rrneck]

49. + 100000000. nt

[Peacetrain]

18. What the hell would you have done in the 30's when the unions went to war

with the corporations...the civil war..WW1 WW2.. Chicago Fires, San Franciso in blazes.. the Civil Rights fights and the freedom riders.. if this is all it takes for you to throw in the towel.. you were never that invested in the first place.

[Zanzoobar]

24. Ahhhhhhhhhhh, fear.

Just where should one go when the apocalypse visits? The cities? The suburbs?

I'm wondering if you're too terribly idealistic to grasp historical perspective.

In my view things are tough, but at this point not worth mentioning in a future history book.

Yet, that is.

[bindelh]

26. History will note

that 2011 was the year that Americans began taking back their country from those attempting to take it from them.

[brooklynite]

25. How tiring.....

The US that's dead now recognizes that all citizens have the right to freely and openly serve in the military, and is moving towards a day when all may freely and openly marry.

The US that's dead recognizes that everyone have the right to health care (even if not provided by the Government)

The US that's dead recognizes that every woman has the legal expectation of being paid the salary as an equally qualified man.

Sorry you didn't get your pony.

[Shandris]

28. Well, isn't that snippy.

They managed to stretch what should have been a 30-second question about women's pay and turned it into a 100 year war that took the attention, lives, and energy of THOUSANDS while they gathered all the power and money, and you think you've won.

Talk about a Pyrrhic Victory.

[Taverner]

39. Yep - its as much of a "victory" as your local team winning the SuperBowl

Yeah, you get to drink that salutary beer, but after that its the same shit

[Donnachaidh]

34. legal expectation does NOT equate to actual equal salary

Having the RIGHT to health care doesn't do piddly shit when a family is made bankrupt from no regulation of insurance or hospital costs.

And having the right to become cannon fodder to protect corporate interests abroad -- whoop de frigging do!

You can keep your pony. I'll be ladylike and not explain WHERE.

[MineralMan]

27. If you give up, then please quit running everything down and

just quit. Thanks very much. Some of us are still trying to do something. Some of us have been trying since the 60s, and we've seen the successes that took decades to accomplish. If you give up so easily, you're not helping. See ya!

[Taverner]

38. You just don't understand do you?

A smile and a shoeshine can only take one so far...

[KoKo]

29. Who could have imagined (who've been here on DU since 2001) that it would come down to this?

Leave America, if you can still get out. If your are young up to 50 years old...GET OUT!

If you are beyond 50....then you need to make do with what will happen.

I say to the young folks. GET OUT! Maybe you can re-make your new country into a place that will be more Democratic...but in the meantime you can catch "WAVE OF GROWTH" that the US will no longer be able to support.

It's time to do the great "E-Migration." If you are young and fit and want to have a different life.

I wish I didn't have to say this.. :-(

[MineralMan]

30. -100 Actually, you really didn't have to say it.

You could just go and leave those of us who are still trying to keep trying. Feh! If you don't care, then why keep talking?

[KoKo]

32. Because I see the young in my family...and see no future here for them, except Wall Street/Banking.

None of them ...so far are interested in that. And, I want them to have a future. I did well...but they will not ever have the opportunities that I had.

[MineralMan]

33. Yes, well, that's why I decided in 1965 not to have any children.

In the meantime, I keep trying to make things better for those who did. I'll give up when I die. You can do as you please. It will affect nothing.

[Taverner]

37. Ain't gonna happen

Yeah you can wish and hope and vote

But Obama is the best we're going to get, ever

Honestly - What he's doing and what Clinton did are the best we can expect

Even if we elect Bernie Sanders

[Taverner]

36. +200 right back atchya!

You obviously have no idea how the USA might look to the recently graduated

When I graduated in 92 - there was promise

Today - none

The Reich Wingers have won - by hook or by crook they have

The best we can hope for is an umbrella while the rich piss on us

[sarcasmo]

40. Is it time for a Labor Party?

[Taverner]

41. The Big Tent is not as big as it may seem....

[KoKo]

45. It would be good to see that. All "labor" united. Or even a "Worker's Party."

But, "Labor Wing of Dem Party" sounds more acceptable.

[greytdemocrat]

42. Are you taking over for Nadin???? N/T.

[Taverner]

43. Say what you will of Nadin, that poster knew the difference between rain and being pissed upon

[Thunderstruck]

47. What happened to nadin? I was wondering this the past couple of days.

[WiffenPoof]

46. I Could Have Written Your Post Myself n/t

[JCMach1]

50. You can't 'really' escape... there's the rub

the reality of the US will hunt you down.

[Taverner]

55. Not if it's broke

[The Northerner]

51. K&R I couldn't agree more

[Hotler]

52. The American dream is dead. n/t

[Taverner]

56. THAT died in the 70's

We tried to get it back, but oh well

[Poboy]

53. This is pretty much what I told the DNC caller who was looking for donations.

Sorry. I'm going to need all my money to try and survive the failure and corporate sell out.