Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Landing a Jet in Japan during earthquake...wow!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
True Earthling Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:54 PM
Original message
Landing a Jet in Japan during earthquake...wow!
very harrowing account...


I did not see this topic covered by CNN but when the Earthquake hit Japan there were dozens of Aircraft approaching who were refused permission to land because of the condition of the airports and runways. Here is a report on the situation in a delta 767.

Written by a Delta pilot attempting to land following the earthquake:

I'm currently still in one piece, writing from my room in the Narita
crew hotel. It's 8am.

This is my inaugural trans-pacific trip as a brand new, recently checked out, international 767 Captain and it has been interesting, to say the least, so far. I've crossed the Atlantic three times so far so the ocean crossing procedures were familiar.

http://www.ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=43...


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
1. Incredible account. I can't imagine how horrifying that would have felt.
Especially knowing you have dozens and dozens of lives relying on you.

PB
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
2. I got nervous just reading that
I espcecially groaned at the nine hour delay after landing to get a staircase to the plane. After a trans-Pacific flight the crew and passengers must have had almost 24 hours on the plane.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:44 PM
Response to Original message
3. Very interesting!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
4. Wow! He's right. Not a thing in the news about this. What a story!
All that confusion alone amidst heavy air traffic could easily have caused accidents. Amazing work by pilots and ground crew to get all those planes safely down.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. There was very little likelihood of accidents due to traffic --
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 05:06 PM by The Velveteen Ocelot
All large airplanes have a device called TCAS (Traffic and Collision Avoidance System) which warns pilots of nearby traffic and directs them to take evasive action (climb or descend). So even if the air traffic controllers were busy with a lot of planes the probability of a collision was very small. The real problem was as this pilot described: running out of fuel. Airplanes always carry more fuel than they expect to need, but because NRT had closed and there were a lot of planes looking for alternate airports, finding an airport that wasn't already full was the concern here. This pilot did the smart thing and declared an emergency, meaning the air traffic controller had to let him land rather than make him go off and hold somewhere.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. I didn't say collisions of big planes. I said accidents. I was thinking more of...
big plane/small plane collisions--in all that confusion, with multiple rapid change of flight plans occurring, overpacked landing patterns and landings, no margin for error, etc., happening at so many airports, many with lots of small craft traffic. I was also thinking of the human error that can be caused by anxiety/stress--uncertainty, fear, earthquakes, aftershocks, big tsunami, disrupted communications, etc.--multiplied by thousands of air traffic controllers, pilots of big and small aircraft, ground crew. Just think of the problems of unexpected aircraft coming in needing fuel. Serious accidents can happen on the ground as well--that could affect incoming traffic on an overpacked schedule. And even a safety feature like the one you describe (TCAS) can fail due to human error, mechanical failure or unexpected circumstances. (Think of all those water system backups and reduncancies that failed at Fukushima! "The best laid plans o' mice and men ...".) I am just amazed that it all went so smoothly--a credit to all involved.

And thanks for the info on TCAS. I knew big planes had something like that but didn't know what it was called.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
6. "Negative Ghost-Rider, the Pattern is full"
Way to have a sense of humor through it all.

Sounds like a top-notch pilot.

:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:49 PM
Response to Original message
7. Truly amazing that no planes crashed as a result...cool heads prevailed! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
8. OMG, they effectively forced him to declare an emergency (not being negative)...
...that's really some desperation there. I wonder how many planes were kept in holding patterns until an emergency was declared. Extremely interesting report.

Thanks for posting it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
9. Fascinating - I hadn't even thought of all the jets heading toward Japan at the time
And every other industry was probably dealing with its own cascade of failures (albeit perhaps not with as spectacular potential outcomes as jetliners falling from the sky).

Pretty amazing job by the airlines and ATC - I wonder if they'll start incorporating the possibility of multiple and sequential airport closures in their contingency planning...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:57 PM
Response to Original message
11. I wonder if those planes could have been diverted promptly to South Korea and China?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:59 PM
Response to Original message
12. How fortunate was he that Japan moved 13' closer to the US? (Saved fuel.)
:dunce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:02 PM
Response to Original message
13. K&R. Thanks for posting. Really interesting read...
and all credit to the airline staff and ATCs for getting everyone on the ground safely.

Sid
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
14. wow
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct 19th 2017, 10:35 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC