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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:34 AM
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You bet your ass there will be a ground invasion of Libya
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 11:38 AM by conspirator
Otherwise how can they get the oil sorted out.
It may take time because they will try assassination first.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:36 AM
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1. by US forces, or UN forces?
:tinfoil:
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:37 AM
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5. either. They obey to the same puppeteers nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:44 AM
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15. teh petroleofacist overlords?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:04 PM
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23. Ha ha. Lord Petroleo. Sounds like a comic book character. nt
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 12:04 PM by Shagbark Hickory
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:37 AM
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2. But . . . what if I lose? I use my ass every day. Mostly for sitting. n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:38 AM
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6. Same here!
Seems like a bad bet to me.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:37 AM
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3. v thanks for updating.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 11:39 AM by Pryderi
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:38 AM
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8. updated nt
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:37 AM
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4. DU is more obsessed with oil than any other site ive seen
lots here dont seem to care about ghadaffi slaughtering his people
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:38 AM
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7. That appears to be an inconvenient fact
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:41 AM
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10. Is it a coincidence that we aren't concerned about Sudan, Yehman, or other areas where the
government is also slaughtering their people?

The one glaring difference I see is more oil in one area than another


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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:44 AM
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13. because you see them as all the same, a very bigoted view
with the politcal differences alone they may as well be different planets
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:13 PM
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31. I am curious why you would use the word bigoted view toward me? /nt
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:58 AM
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22. What I see is Libya using planes to kill the people.
Are the others? A no-fly zone is for the air.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:17 PM
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33. and Tomahawk missiles are more than for the air. /nt
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:24 PM
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29. If Sudan's not an oil country..
...someone better tell the poor Chinese, who are laboring under that delusion.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:15 PM
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32. No, but we don't want to confront the Chinese who own so much of our debt /nt
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Ed Suspicious Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:44 AM
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14. I think it's about the selective outrage/apathy response...
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 11:50 AM by Ed Suspicious
Large outrage at dictatorial slaughter of it's people is usually coupled with coincidentally oil producing nations.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:48 AM
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19. Thank you for your concern.
I'm impressed that it is only wrong to slaughter people who do not have oil.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:57 AM
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21. Speak for yourself. I'm outraged at dictatorial slaughter consistently.
I've noticed that a lot of the Arab revolutions have been ignored until the news tells people to take notice.

When they took notice with Libya this happened: "Oh, Libya has oil. It must be because of the oil!"

And that's it. Case closed.

It's called taking the intellectually lazy path.

Those of us who have been paying attention since it started know that it's about much more than just oil.

BTW, here's some short documentaries which will help catch up with the other grassroots revolutions that have been/are happening...

The death of fear (Tunisia) (50 mins)
Rageh Omaar examines how the death of a street vendor led to a wave of uprisings across Arab world.
Special programme Last Modified: 10 Mar 2011 08:46 GMT
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/ragehomaarrepor...

Egypt: Seeds of change (25 mins)
People & Power reveals the story behind the unprecedented political protests in Egypt.
Last Modified: 09 Feb 2011 10:56 GMT
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/...

Building Egypt's future (25 mins)
What happens next for those who dreamt of a free and democratic Egypt?
Last Modified: 02 Mar 2011 13:29 GMT
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/...

Yemen: A tale of two protests (25 mins)
As demonstrations advance across Yemen, People&Power follows activist Tawakkol Karman.
Last Modified: 16 Mar 2011 13:56
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/...

Bahrain: Fighting for change (25 mins)
As unrest sweeps through the Middle East, People & Power looks at the mounting pressure for reform in Bahrain.
Last Modified: 09 Mar 2011 09:29
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/...
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:08 PM
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25. I think most of us are saying TPTB don't ......
care about Qaddafi slaughtering his people & we will not be in a war to actually stop him from doing that.

Yes, TPTB will try selling it as humanitarian but we all know it is really about TPTB's interests which include oil.
The could care less about the slaughter of Qaddafi's people.

My point is, I think DU is obsessed with the fact, that this whole thing it is about things like oil and 'that' pisses off DU.


:shrug: Maybe we are reading different DU's?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:39 AM
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9. "It may take time because they will try assassination first."
Will they cut up Gaddafi and keep his body parts?

Or is that practice reserved only for common civilians?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:47 AM
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18. we could take him out... with ninjas!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:41 AM
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11. The goal goes beyond separating Ghadafi from leadership.
The goal is control the coalition that replaces him, one that is deferential to the oil companies, a/k/a The United States.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:46 AM
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17. You got it (n/t)(sadly).
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:09 PM
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26. You know most of Libyan energy gets exported to the EU, correct?
The largest players in the oil business are all multi-nationals now.


We still have Exxon-Mobil, but that is it, the rest are all based elsewhere around the world.

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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:38 PM
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30. Yeah, but Qadaffi refused to pump, so...
...the multinationals had to direct their client governments to take him out, in order to make the oil flow. And to get exploration crews in there.

The fact that Libyan production is finally back to 1980 levels, and the first use of Western military (SAS) in Libya was evacuating exploration crews notwithstanding, of course.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:42 AM
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12. The media has pretty much already reached that conclusion somehow.
It didn't take long to realize that the "rebel" force can't possibly pull this off & since we already dropped a buch of bombs, we mine as well go in & "Finish the Job".

My guess is that this "rebel cause" humanitarian thing was a very simple a way to fool the public and prime us into going along with the coming invasion.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:45 AM
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16. There's no doubt.
Another illegal, immoral attack - the result of geoengineering by the Powers That Be, funding this revolution here, this revolution there, and, when their revolutionaries fail, then the bombings and attacks begin. Word is that the targeted thugs in question, many of whom they put in power, hadn't been sufficiently deferential lately.

I never say something like, "We attacked Libya." I've disapproved of their imperialism and militarism and attacks since my youth. I say, "The U.S. (or NATO) did (this or that) ..."

Shame on those who think that war/attack/occupation is the answer to anything.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:55 AM
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20. sadly and regardless that it is more than obvious some need help in the end there
Will be those behind closed doors scheming wildly on how to ensure how that exact help will benefit those it simply should not, and by counting on that very scenario as fact based, the good the bad and the ugly will surely once again over shadow the humanity of just whom this coming ends up destroying
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:06 PM
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24. no, you bet your ass.
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Mulhane Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:21 PM
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27. Meanwhile, in Egypt
the Mubarak military is still in charge. Only if civilians actually resist does the West come in shooting. And how about that dictator abusing Venezuela?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:17 PM
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28. No, I'll need my ass to work against a ground invasion.
Bomb, send support to the rebellion, cut off funding and supplies to Gaddhafi -- but no ground invasion by U.S. troops. Let the Libyan people do their thing.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:19 PM
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34. Sorry, can't take that bet. Lost my ass in 2008.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 11:19 PM by Toucano
Anything else I can bet? I'd love to get in on that action!

Would you take a broken heart, a crushed spirit and some disillusioned enthusiasm?

I realize the supply of those commodities is pretty high right now, but maybe they're still worth something?
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:19 PM
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35. Paranoia/Self-destroya
Yes, I'm gettin' old.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:21 PM
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36. Yeah, but that was lame when you were young. n/t
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:24 PM
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37. If the Primary Export from Libya was Broccoli.. would we invade?

C'mon people.. let's get real.

How much more abuse will the American people suffer before they say "Enough"?
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