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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:37 PM
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Do you think the country music genre is a conservative medium?
I always thought this was an interesting subject to discuss. I come from a very conservative family who loved country music. And I know a lot of families who love country music who are also very conservative and almost always christian.

It's always been my belief that country music is generally used to promote conservative beliefs. But then there are exceptions like the Dixie Chicks and such.

What do you guys think?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:39 PM
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1. The name Lady Antebellum strikes me as overtly pro slavery.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:40 PM
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2. How so?
I don't know the history behind it.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:50 PM
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11. From the Wikipedia article on the musical group:
Antebellum" more commonly refers to pre-Civil War America, especially the pre-Civil War culture in the slave holding southern states.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:57 PM
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15. So are they paying homage to the confederacy or something?
I know that's a common trend among the people I know who listen to country.

In fact, one of my good friends brother is a huge country fan and his house is filled with confederate flags.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:03 AM
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23. In my opinion, it is pure pandering to that demographic, yes. n/t
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:25 AM
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43. Whenever I see a truck with a Confederated flag, especially north of the Mason-Dixon line...
I really really want to ask the driver why he or she doesn't skip the vague imagery and simply drag the corpse of a slave behind the truck.
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:54 AM
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62. But, but you might offend someone, LOL!
God forbid, the driver of that vehicle may even been somewhat "simple-minded", which I've been advised is slander. LOL.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:25 AM
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101. well, I guess they could have called themselves Lady Cretaceous...
But then the intelligent design nuts would have been offended, can't please everybody...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:41 PM
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3. Toby Keith used to shill for Bush and the war industry until about 2 years ago.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:45 PM
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7. I thought I read somewhere that his songs were actually satirical.
The whole "boot in your ass. It's the American way" was supposedly satire making fun of Americans.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:57 PM
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16. Really, I hadn't heard that before.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:59 PM
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17. Neither had I. I mean, it makes more sense if it's satire.
Some of the shit he says in his songs is so ridiculous that it would be more insane if he were serious.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:48 AM
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106. Nope - he's just a full of shit Grifter like Larry "trust fund kid" the cable guy
He started with all this "it's satire" shit after he took some flack for some of the hateful misogynistic shit he said. It the old woe is me I'm a misunderstood victim card that these asshats like playing.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:18 AM
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37. He's a Democrat, though
Albeit a hawkish one
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:31 AM
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49. My uncle fits that description.
He's one of those guys who would never admit to voting Bush, but he's a die-hard fundie southern baptist and doesn't hesitate to support GOP policies.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:37 AM
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51. I saw an interview with him, and he doesn't fit the stereotype that people here and elsewhere have
of him. Partially because of the whole feud with the Dixie Chix and partly because of the lyrics about "boot in their ass" he is perceived as being this kneejerk rightwing reactionary. The interview made it pretty clear that he isn't. He even said he didn't think we should have gone into Iraq. However, he is a massive supporter of the troops and did agree with Afghanistan. The whole thing with the Dixie Chix started because they critiqued his lyrics and he made the point that they mostly didn't even write their own lyrics and then it got into the whole "fat" thing and it just got silly and funny.

There are a fair # of Country music Democrats. Brad Paisley is also one iirc. Regardless, country music as a whole clearly tilts towards the right probably to about the same extent that rock music tilts to the left. There is still a broad diversity in both.

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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:43 AM
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54. A "Sarah Palin Democrat"...
also known as "someone who needs to shut the hell up about politics before they embarrass themselves even further".
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:54 AM
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61. I think the music business in general has a lot of people like that
People who have a microphone by virtue of some unrelated talent, that makes them think they are some sort of political sage
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:33 AM
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84. I find that to be true of celebrity in general.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:38 PM
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90. Agreed nt
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:38 AM
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73. He claimed to be supporting Obama in 08
Since then, however, he's gone full teabagger/Palin fan.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:19 AM
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83. I'm not saying he's smart :) nt
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:43 PM
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4. I don't think of old school country as being inherently conservative, but the new,
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 11:44 PM by Marr
phony, plastic version of country music seems to go hand in hand with the Conservative movement, yes. It plays to all that self-pitying, self-aggrandizing, "I'm a real American and you're not" bullshit.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:31 AM
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102. My husband and I had a discussion along these lines recently.
He keeps a country radio station on all night. I can't stand the new country music and there are no stations that really play the older stuff. I guess that might be an artifact of the Clear Channel ownership. Boy, if there is ever a market to be filled right now, it would be for classic country.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:44 PM
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5. "I fell asleep watching the country music channel and woke up racist" - Daniel Tosh
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:45 PM
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6. LOL I love Daniel Tosh.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:01 AM
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:26 AM
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45. I love Tosh.0.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:58 AM
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88. ROFL!!!
:rofl: I haven't listened to enough country music in my entire lifetime (with a few exceptions like Johnny Cash) to form a coherent opinion about Country Music.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:46 PM
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8. I would tend to agree with you.
Country genre doesn't have to be conservative, but it really does tend to be, in terms of lyrics and attitude. Behind the times. Give me yesterday's news. Same goes with the fashion associated with country singers. They're still wearing bootleg jeans.

But then you have someone like Johnny Cash who was sort of country, sort of rock, but he really doesn't seem conservative...obviously...he's too cool! Cool people are never conservative, and conservative people are never cool. Fact.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:00 AM
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:20 AM
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38. Johnny Cash was neither liberal nor conservative
He wasn't that easily pigeonholed. Anybody could pick and choose aspects of his beliefs/sayings etc. to support either theory, but if you look at him as a whole, he is not that easily classifiable
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:41 AM
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53. Which is why he's awesome!
Johnny Cash is not my most favoritest musician, but he is definitely cool!

I love the not-easily-classifiable.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:11 PM
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92. He was anti-"The Man"...
that message pulled a lot of people together back then.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:48 PM
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9. I would rather hear conservative bullshit than country music.
But yes, country music seems the most likely to have a Republican tone.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:50 PM
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12. I don't know if it's sentimental or something. But I enjoy the actual music.
The lyrics are mostly nonsense though.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:06 AM
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28. Your reply is one of the most deranged and disturbing things I have ever read. nt
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:13 AM
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34. lol why?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:10 AM
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66. Because you claim to actually enjoy country music. Bone chilling. nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:24 AM
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104. I'm with you ZombieHorde. I just can't get there. I've even tried. My boyfriend through most of
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 04:30 AM by calimary
college was a huge country music fan - in his world, Hank Williams LIVED and was the closest thing to Almighty God. And I tried. I really did. Never did like country music to begin with, but for his sake I decided to try. JESUS, MARY, & JOSEPH, I tried, and it was sheer torture! Utterly NAUSEATING. My teeth would just instinctively find their way to grating mode as soon as one of those songs got started. My face would melt into an automatic grimace without my even thinking about it. It'd just happen. Start up with any soupy pedal steel and I wanna go shoot myself! One night there was a party at the house a bunch of us shared, and he kept putting stuff on the stereo with all these cryin'-in-their-beer-and-singin'-through-their-noses songs and it just kept mooing on and on like a pasture full of drunken cows and got worse and worse and twangier and twangier and hay-seedier and hay-seedier until finally he got to this album of Nashville session musicians called "Area Code 615". Evidently a collaboration of some of the most primo session musicians in the business but it didn't matter HOW expert or HOW accomplished or HOW respected they were, industry-wide. I swear that record literally made me run screaming into the night. I actually had to physically LEAVE.

I can't stomach country music. Just can't do it. I'd rather listen to sarah palin talking with the Kardashian sisters all night - and those are the absolute all-time worst and most annoying speaking voices known to humankind.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:03 AM
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True. That, and Christian "music".
A friend told me a random woman approached him in a parking lot and was raving about the Christian rap album her boyfriend got for her.

What does "Christian rap" sound like? I'm not sure I want to know.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:06 AM
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27. Some Christian rap is actually not that bad.
I mean, the vast majority of it is fucking terrible. But some of it is fairly descent. I think it gets better as the Christian message becomes more diluted though.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:24 AM
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41. it actually is that bad.
I think we've established that you musical taste is suspect at best.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:25 AM
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44. Actually I have a fairly expansive musical taste.
I own like 1 or 2 country albums. The vast majority of my music is rock and the sub genres.

But the rap group Grits is a fairly decent christian based band.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:28 AM
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46. expansive does not necessarily equal good
i am kidding... kind of.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:29 AM
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48. My favorite bands are Radiohead, Grizzly Bear, Arcade Fire and Modest Mouse.
My shit is legit.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:08 AM
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65. Sometimes, when I'm flipping radio stations in the car, and I get to "Christian rock"
sometimes I do keep it on. Occasionally. Usually, the "catchy" part is there. The lyrics are always stupid. ALWAYS.

I think that's the main reason why I sometimes listen to Christian rock. I like to sometimes hear something that's catchy, but yet I get to laugh at the lyrics.

Sorry. I'm an agnostic, leaning toward atheist.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:50 PM
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98. Oooohhh, Dude, you should have quit when you were behind.
That favorite band confession just blew your shit up.
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:50 AM
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76. Don't know Grits, but I have found a little bit of Christan music that was good.
I love Steve Taylor (apart from the horrific 80s production). He did a song about militant anti-abortionists called "I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good" that got him banned from Christian radio back around 1988 or so. Since then he's kind of skirted the edges, making music that is Christian but isn't mindless praise music.
When U2 first came out they were considered a Christian band and through Joshua Tree at least wore their faith almost as prominently as their left-wing activism. Folk singer Bruce Cockburn is another left-wing Christian singer who wrote one of my favorite protest songs from the 80s, "If I Had a Rocket Launcher" and also one of the most beautiful meditations on faith I've heard, "All the Diamonds in the World."
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:52 AM
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79. I was recently exposed to Christian lite-rock.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 02:52 AM by bengalherder
On the surface it was the usual boy band pop love song thing until you realized WHO they were singing these songs to; containing as they did so many of the cliches and phrases used in more mainstream fare.

I found it mildly disturbing to say the least.

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:50 PM
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10. Country western melodies sound like military cadences to me
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:51 PM
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13. One part pedal steel...
...one part Blut und Boden
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:57 PM
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14. I lost my job. I lost my car. I'm broke. My wife's a-cheatin on me. But I've still got a beer.
Yep, country music defines the conservative experience.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:59 PM
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18. no....
country music is as diversified as our nation.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:00 AM
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19. It is the most popular genre of music.
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:01 AM
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22. YES
besides who listens to that shit? Okay wait I do like the Dixie Chicks because I am in love with Natalie Maines I can't help it.
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Paradoxical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:03 AM
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24. I try not to. But, possibly due to my upbringing, I can't helpt it sometimes.
Sometimes I just like flipping the radio over to the country music channel to listen for a bit. Something about the music (not the lyrics).
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:03 AM
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25. Not an Exclusive Club of Conservatives...
Johnny Cash was a very strong Democrat and Tim McGraw has mentioned at one time an interest in running for office as a Dem. I happen to love music of all kinds...so there is a lot of country music that I like, as well as rock and jazz and classical, reggae,etc. I am a Howard Dean Democratic. There are likely more Dems involved in country music, but I would say that even country artists probably play into that stereotype.




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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:44 AM
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74. Other examples...
Garth Brooks did a pro LGBT rights song in the early 90s, Loretta Lynn was singing feminist anthems in the 60s and about taking birth control in the 70s, Steve Earle's been a tireless campaigner against capital punishment since the late 80s. Kris Kristoffersen, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris, Nanci Griffith...
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:05 AM
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26. Yes, generally speaking. Strange, I was thinking about this earlier today.
Very, very few musicians in other genres, particularly rock, jazz, blues, and reggae, are conservative. Rock lyrics have helped define liberal/progressive ideology, thought, and expression since the 60's.

Country is the conservatives genre. Sure, there's Willy Nelson, a flaming liberal, the Dixie Chicks, Steve Earle, and some others that don't talk real loud about being liberals because the bulk of their listeners are conservative. And probably a lot of the real old timers like Hank Williams and Kitty Wells were working folk grassroots Democrats. But nowadays it seems much of country music is like a watered down Fox News broadcast with basically the same listeners as Fox News.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:07 AM
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29. Modern country pop? Maybe. But not the genre overall.
Country music used to be very populist; pro-working class, pro-labor, in touch with the problems that working people face and the everyday things that make up working-class life. Now? It's just a bunch of flag-waving and Jesus masturbating. Some modern country stars have spoken out about it (sometimes very vaguely, because country radio can be VICIOUS to those it sees as "traitors"), but their voices are pretty much lost in the "Ooooh, what's Toby McGraw Swift going to release next?!" cacophony.

Most people today don't really know whether or not they like country music, because they've never actually HEARD it. What you hear today is vaguely twangy pop-gospel.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:08 AM
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30. Todays country music is garbage.
I can't stand to listen to 99% of it.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:09 AM
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31. the local country station plays the national anthem every day at noon.
contemporary country is basically pop music with a pedal steel and a southern accent anyway...
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:10 AM
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32. No.
Unless you're just talking about the crap that passes for c/w these days.

Willie Nelson, Steve Earle, and the late, great Johnny Cash would disagree.

Johnny Paycheck too.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:11 AM
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33. Willie Nelson is a Democrat... also Loretta Lynn.
I don't think country music is inherently conservative any more than "country" people are inherently conservative... but the music may reflect the trend for more and more rural people to be socially conservative even when it works against their economic interests whereas before, when the labor movement was stronger, more farmers identified with Democrats and the urban working class so you saw some country singers like Lynn who were Democrats.

Anyway, seems like we got the folkies (Dylan, Baez, Tracy Chapman, the Guthries, Seeger, etc.) and the Republicans mostly got country (Garth Brooks, Toby Keith). I wouldn't trade.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:21 AM
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39. Bonnie Rait used to tour with Jackson Browne.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:25 AM
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69. Bonnie Raitt is not country and a big Liberal
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:47 AM
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75. Bonnie Raitt is country, like John "Cougar" Mellencamp is.
Also liberal.

And this makes me think of "Born in the USA!!!" by Bruce Springsteen. We all know where Bruce Springsteen stands.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:23 AM
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40. Liberal =/= Democrat
I know you know that. Toby Keith for instance is not a liberal, but he's a Democrat. People keep conflating the two in this thread.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:38 AM
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52. Anyone who endorsed Bush's reelection in 2004
is not a liberal or a democrat, no matter how they identify themselves.

Toby Keith also "told CMT that he would likely vote for the Republican ticket, partially because of his admiration for Sarah Palin." (from Wikipedia)

Sorry... but this is someone who fundamentally doesn't understand politics.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:52 AM
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59. I didn't say he was particularly smart :) nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:56 AM
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80. Toby Keith is a Democrat? He sucks!
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sweetloukillbot Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:20 AM
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82. Don't know about Garth...
He did an LGBT song in the early 90s, which got him in trouble with the country establishment. He played it at the Lincoln Memorial concert before Obama's innauguration.
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:15 AM
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35. Yes. People always hate it when I point out why too.
As a musician and composer for 30 years running I can tell you exactly why, it's easier for lower intelligence people to relate to country music. That IS NOT meant as a slander to people's musical interests, it's just a fact. Country music is very simplistically composed and therefore very simple-minded people find it more attractive. Obviously that IS NOT always the case however it IS frequently the case. With that said, there are always exceptions, such as the fact that I love the voice of Patsy Cline, the message of the Dixie Chicks and frequently listen to cross-genres of music that involve some level of country music in it.

Now start spewing the hate people, start purposely misinterpreting what I said and let the vile stench of condemnation flow from within!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:24 AM
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42. LOL. You call people simple minded but that's not slander?

There's nothing wrong with simple.



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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:29 AM
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47. Nope, I didn't call you simple-minded did I?
Told ya there would be some vile accusations as a result of my honesty. Carry on!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:33 AM
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50. I take it, this has happened to you before?
LOL

"very simple-minded people find it more attractive"
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:46 AM
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55. It's the truth, like it or not.
Here's an idea, go after the original poster who brought it up, send some of your vileness in that direction.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:50 AM
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58. My vileness? Okay!
:)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:47 AM
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57. that's what Richard Hatch said last night on the Apprentice
The country singer--I think his name is John Rich--got really offended. lol
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:32 AM
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71. I think he was right to be offended.
It is wrong to stereotype the fans or the stars of country music. There are many bright people who listen to country music.

BTW, John Rich is a major Repubbie. He first supported Thompson, then McCain for President. He sang a song he wrote for McCain at the close of their convention.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:15 PM
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94. There's nothing wrong with being simple, either.
There is something wrong with being easily deluded, however.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:17 AM
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36. Country music is not inherently conservative.
The roots of country music contain a lot of anti-establishment sentiment especially in regard to the class struggle.

Healthy patriotism, traditionalism, and religiousness get mixed in and corrupted by fake patriotism, oppressive traditionalism and xenophobic religiousness (especially since Vietnam) and it takes on a "conservative" tint, but it isn't exclusively or necessarily conservative.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:47 AM
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56. You're right, people forget the meaning of the word "Redneck"
The United Mine Workers of America (UMW) and rival miners' unions appropriated both the term redneck and its literal manifestation, the red bandana, in order to build multiracial unions of white, black, and immigrant miners in the strike-ridden coalfields of northern and central Appalachia between 1912 and 1936. The origin of redneck to mean "a union man" or "a striker" remain uncertain, but according to linguist David W. Maurer, the former definition of the word probably dates at least to the 1910s, if not earlier. The use of redneck to designate "a union member" was especially popular during the 1920s and 1930s in the coal-producing regions of southern West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and western Pennsylvania, where the word came to be specifically applied to a miner who belonged to a union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:56 AM
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63. Which is why Howard Zinn was a genius, he put the history out there
that gave credit to the people, not their owners.

I learned the meaning of redneck in a documentary about miners, maybe five years ago. All those years in school and nada, nadita about labor in this country.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:12 AM
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67. Wikipedia is wrong as often happens.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 01:13 AM by Spider Jerusalem
The origin of the term "redneck" dates back to the 16th century, in Scotland. The Scottish Presbyterians signed the "Covenant", binding themselves to uphold Presbyterian Christianity as the sole religion of Scotland; many of them signed in blood, and many wore red scarves as a visible sign of their allegiance to the Covenant, which led to them being called "rednecks".





REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians."

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.h...


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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:29 AM
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70. no, that's wrong, too.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 01:32 AM by provis99
Redneck simply refers to poor farmers who have sunburn on their necks.
From the Facts on File Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins (Writers Reference), the definitive last word on word origins.

RhythmandBlue got it right on DU in 2007.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:38 AM
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72. No, it's NOT wrong. That's what's referred to as "folk etymology". (Look it up.)
The Scottish Covenanters are recorded as being called "red necks" in the 17th century. The "sunburn on the neck" folk etymology dates to the 20th century. The American south was populated by lowland and Ulster Scots Presbyterians. The first recorded use of "redneck" in America (nb: "recorded" doesn't mean it wasn't in use earlier) is from 1830, where it's given as "a term used of Presbyterians".

So no, sorry.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:06 PM
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91. no, rednecks refers to English settlers in the tidewater region of the South
It doesn't refer to the Scotch-Irish. The Scotch-Irish populated the Appalachians, and were called hillbillies, not rednecks. So yes, you are wrong.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:26 AM
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78. Here's the bottom line.
Southern coal miners WERE involved in a class conflict, fighting for their rights. You can trace that back to Scotland, you can say that the people who tied the red scarfs around their necks were following an old Scottish tradition, but fight they did, for the rights of common working people. What you can't ignore is that the fight for the rights of common working people for recognition as people is a deep and old part of the country and bluegrass music traditions.
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Populist_Prole Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 12:52 AM
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60. Redneck noise
I used to hear the older stuff all the time because my late stepfather always had it on. While not my taste because I'm more into power chord rock, it really was populistic in an honest way, and often humorous, and quite varied in its styles and sound.

The new stuff is faux populistic and all sounds so much the same, and as another poster noted above, has too much of an "I'm a real American and you're not" feel to it.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:05 AM
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64. Not necessarily. It's a cultural thing
country music as such is descended from Anglo-Celtic folk music brought to America by English and Scots-Irish/border Scots immigrants in the 17th and 18th centuries. These are the same people who populated much of the South, especially the mountain South (West Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia). Their descendants are the same people who are likely to be culturally and socially conservative and evangelical Christian. I think that if the country music genre as such is conservative it only reflects the people who make and listen to country music.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:15 AM
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68. There are a few like Woody Guthrie and Willie Nelson...
showing that Country music isn't necessarily Conservative.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:01 AM
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77. Country music has gotten really terrible in the last 30 years
Ever since it cracked the crossover threshold the industry has embraced Formula production. Every once in a while a true poet, picker or twanger emerges but as a whole, the entire genre has succumbed to the factory mindset.

I don't much care for C&W. It was how I was conditioned. I grew up in the 60s and 70s in a West Texas town where "kickers" were considered social outcasts. I realize that sounds preposterous to some but you might not realize how tiresome the "cowboy" stereotype is to a Texan. While I appreciate country greats such as Jim Reeves, Marty Robbins or Patsy Cline, I also mocked the funny outfits, big hair and soap opera lyrics. The country renegades of the 70's were refreshing but then the 80's came along bringing that Amy Grant crap and whatever hope there was for country, IHMO, went all to hell.

As for the political aspects of country. I don't think the music is necessarily conservative. I just think a lot of conservatives listen to it.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 02:57 AM
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81. I grew up in the south
I've always preferred lyrics to tunes. I always thought the lyrics with country songs were stupid.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:51 AM
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85. I think the "mainstream" of "country music" is indeed a conservative venue. Clear Channel and all

that RW corporate agenda.

I think most "liberal" country artists are forced to exist outside the mainstream. I think "rock" artists like Steve Earle, Ryan Adams, Jason Isbell, and even Mike Ness are doing music more in the vein of Hank Williams and Merle Haggard than the crap heard on "country radio" nowadays.

And furthermore, I think Gilded Palace of Sin and Exile on Main Street were the greatest "Country Music" albums ever.

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:54 AM
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86. yes - probably by 90% give or take
nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:57 AM
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87. They took over that shit just like they took over churches.
:puke: on the boot scooter fuckwits.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:02 AM
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89. Who cares?
What happens to the Dixie Chicks' music if the political views of the majority of country artists are conservative?

Nothing.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:15 PM
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93. I can't stand modern country music..
But I love western music! Bob Wills, Jimmie Rodgers, Spade Cooley, Hank Williams Sr. etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzc77Tz6PA
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:24 AM
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100. Hank Williams Sr. is pretty good.
But Hank Williams Jr? Must I listen to his "music".....No!! Kill me now!!!

youtube "country boy can survive" and "mister lincoln"
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:39 PM
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95. No, Honky Tonkers for Truth!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:40 PM
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96. Mostly. The lyrics tell all.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:46 PM
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97. In some instances, yes
You are probably more likely to find conservatives/Republicans among country performers and a lot of their songs seem to emphasize a more cultural conservative mindset, mostly because they grew up in the South which, as we all know, is more conservative/Republican than, say, someplace like California. As with anything else there are some notable exceptions (i.e. Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Dixie Chicks), of course.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:50 PM
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99. white rural folk perfer country music and are overwhelmingly republican. Its simple arithmetic.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:47 AM
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103. White folk 'n'shit luv country music. Got it.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 04:03 AM by Quantess
:rofl:

I know. Never mind. LOL, I have had a few beverages. :toast:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:32 AM
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105. Not really
That wouldn't explain its popularity outside the US.

I don't regard the Cheesy Dicks as country anyway.
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