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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:54 AM
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I am against our Government's involvement in Libya
I am against sacrificing our treasure to support the oil-rich nations of the Gulf, I am against having to be the point man for regimes who can't take care of their own affairs.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:55 AM
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1. +1 Couldn't agree more. n/t
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apples and oranges Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:56 AM
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2. No shit. I think this is your 10th thread expressing as much
I think we all get the point.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:58 AM
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5. +1 nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:06 PM
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6. +1...nt
Sid
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:11 PM
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9. LOL
Half of them as yet unlocked.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:21 PM
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13. And, all the while...
complaining about being "stifled".

Too funny.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:11 PM
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24. I'm still a little fuzzy.
:rofl:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:17 PM
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26. first thread I saw, and thankful for it/recced

Most people don't read every single thread posted on DU, they read only selected/random threads, as time permits.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:39 AM
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34. And that would make it twenty threads too few.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:57 AM
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3. How, specifically...
are we being the "point man" for the Libyan regime?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:58 AM
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4. I favor Europe and other Arab states taking care of it
We need to not do so much meddling in the world.

And it's not just right wing neo-cons who have a hard time getting that message.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:07 PM
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7. Do you think the new Egypt is worth protecting?
I do.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:09 PM
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8. With your life or your treasure?
What are you putting up in your support?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:18 PM
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12. No I haven't risked my life for Egypt, but that doesn't mean I can't support them.
I think you're mistaking the word "sacrifice" for "support".
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:15 PM
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10. I'm also against the wanton slaughter of civilian populations
Reconciling the cognitive dissonance of those two things is what adults must do, and somehow still be able to deal with the disparity of both.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:17 PM
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11. I'm with you.
If the Pro-WAR people could point to a single Military Intervention in the Middle East that has ended well,
I might be willing to listen.
This one will not end well either.

Now that we have started killing Libyans, how do we stop?
What is the exit strategy?
(That should be the FIRST question asked & answered before even beginning to talk about another war.
You would think we might have learned something since 1964, but we haven't.)

The marketing being used to SELL our involvement in ANOTHER war
is the exact same marketing "they" used to sell the last WAR.

Does anyone seriously believe we will be OUT of Libya before Campaign 2012 begins?
After the "New War Smell" wears off this, and we face the realities of WHO we are supporting,
how many we kill, and how much it costs,
it will be a hard for Obama & The Democrats to sell this NEW Quagmire to America.

No specific Military Objective + No exit Strategy = Quagmire
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:23 PM
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14. How would you feel if you were a Libyan rebel?
:shrug:

Would you want the world to stand by and watch you slaughtered?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:25 PM
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16. I posted earlier about an old roomate of mine
A kurd from Iraq. When he was a little kid his brother was killed in a Saddam Air-raid. Another guy I know is really upset by this whole thing, being Armenian, this makes him think about the Genocide. It seems unless people feel a connection to groups being slaughtered, they don't care.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 03:30 PM
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28. newsflash: Imperialism does not give a fuck about genocide.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:33 PM
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17. Do you KNOW who the Libyan rebels are?
In Afghanistan, they were The Taliban (Mujahideen).

In Lebanon, they were Hezbollah.

Can you cite an instance of US Military Intervention in the ME that has ended well?

Who ARE we fighting for?
Once we start killing Libyans, how do we stop?
What is the Endgame?

And FUCK YES I want those questions answered before I cosign another war.
(OOPS. Too late.)

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:36 PM
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18. Funny that. NO ONE (except maybe Gadhafi) knows who they are. They could be
Al Quaeda for all we know. And I won't be surprised if it is.
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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:25 PM
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31. Rebels = al Qaeda?
I don't think so.

We know that some former high level lieutenants of Gaddafi went over to the rebel side. The rebels interviewed by ITN complained about Gaddafi's atrocities, not about Western influences in Muslim culture.

When the rebels appeared to be winning, al Qaeda didn't claim credit for it. Why not? Maybe because they were not involved?
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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:10 PM
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30. A successful US intervention in the Middle East?
How about Desert Shield/Storm?

We SHIELDed Saudi Arabia from Saddam Hussein's army; then we STORMed into Kuwait and Iraq, achieving unambiguous victory in just 4 days of ground fighting. Even counting the month of bombing that preceded the invasion, this was one of our shortest and most successful wars - from a strictly military perspective, that is.

Did it end well? The citizens of Kuwait and the Saudi Royal family think so. Some liberals and some conservatives in the USA might disagree (for different reasons).
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:37 AM
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33. That NEVER ended.
Our forces were tied down imposing a "No Fly Zone" and "sanctions" that lasted for over 10 years and resulted in the deaths of over 1/2 Million Iraqi children.....
Desert Shield/Storm is forever tied to our current situation in Iraq.
It cannot be separated out.
So NO.
It has not ended well.
That was what I had in mind when I stated "or ended at all."
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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:46 PM
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38. Does any military action ever end?
We still have troops in South Korea, and there is still no peace treaty with North Korea.

We still have troops in Germany, 66 years after WW2 supposedly ended.

I respect your point of view, which exemplifies what I had in mind when I stated:
"Some liberals and some conservatives in the USA might disagree ... ."
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:13 PM
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25. "After the 'New War Smell' wears offs this , . . it will be hard for Obama and the Dems to sell this
NEW Quagmire to America."

You said it, bvar, and I'm 110% behind you.

Some of us have learned something since 1964.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:21 PM
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32. Now two wars and an 'intervention'.
What happens when Syria, our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, all decide to put down the population? What do we do? Our military is stretched so thin it how do we put out crisis threatening 'our' assets anywhere else?

It's frustrating, and only creates a domino effect as we are asked to do more with less.
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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:24 PM
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15. Relax. This will be a piece of cake.
We take out their air defense, and then France et al. take out the ground forces attacking the rebels. What could be simpler?

It's just like Afghanistan, where our Special Forces clobbered the Taliban right away. The rest would be just mopping up.

Or Iraq, where we cut through the Republican Guard like a knife through butter. Before you knew it, we were in Baghdad. Mission accomplished.

Our invasions always go well at first. But this one will be different. Won't it?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:38 PM
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19. The NFZ in Iraq took 10 YEARS (as per military talking head on MSNBC).
I'm just sayin'.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:39 PM
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20. Sure it will.... a "slam dunk"....
Yep. NP. :scared:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:02 PM
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22. Why are you using neocon quotes from 9 years ago?
Nobody has said any of this will be a slam dunk as you just implied.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:04 PM
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29. . . .
:sarcasm:

I thought that was understood... sorry if I was wrong.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:08 PM
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23. no freedom bombs?


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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:25 PM
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27. if libya
didn't have oil we wouldn't be there period
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:03 AM
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35. +1 for Captain Obvious
:;):
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:49 AM
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36. +1 but I am against our past involvement that fueled this situation
US OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:13 AM
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37. I know you have an agenda here DainBramaged....you aren't that slick
Your are just pissed off because you wanted to be one of the first buyers of the Libyan Rocket. And with Gaddafi gone the project may never take off....Good try :hi:



"Theres only a handful of countries known for building cars. Most of them are in Europe or the Far East. Colonel Muammar Gaddafi wants to add Libya to that list, and this is what hes cooked up to do it. Called the Libyan Rocket, the car was designed to solve the problem of high instance of road deaths in the north African country. Gaddafis people say its the safest car ever made, but dont go into any details to back up the claim. Still, the Colonels revolutionary government is building a plant in Tripoli to put it together.

Gaddafis car seats five, has a 230-hp V6 and the nose and tail of a rocket. The Libyan Rocket does come with airbags, an electronic defense system and collapsible bumpers that supposedly help out in a crash. So what is the electronic defense system? Apparently, nobody knows what it is or how it works. So even the secret is safe with this car!"



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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:48 PM
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39. Does it come in red?
If it doesn't come in red or black, I'm not interested :D
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