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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 01:40 PM
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The Humanity of Suffering
“The only true wisdom lives far from mankind, out in the great loneliness, and it can be reached only through suffering. Privation and suffering alone can open the mind of a man to all that is hidden to others.”
Igiugarjuk





During the Fifth Danish Thule Expedition (1921-1924), Dr. Knud Rasmussen interviewed a number of Native American shaman in the region we call Alaska. His interview with Igiugarjuk would be of great interest to Joseph Campbell, the American writer and lecturer, who studied comparative mythology. In his 1959 book, “Primitive Mythology: The Masks of God,” Campbell noted that the above quote “concerning the relationship of man to the mystery of his being” is as profound as any found in what are considered “the higher religions.”

This is a topic that is of special interest to me today, for a couple of reasons. The first, which I had planned to write about, has to do with “St. Patrick's Day.” The second, which came unexpectedly, was the death of a relative with whom I was particularly close, over the past weekend. And because I will be traveling to a funeral tomorrow, I thought that I'd attempt to combine a few areas of thought today. Best of luck.

Relatively little is known of the historic figure we know as Patrick, the saint of Ireland. The stories of “saints” are said to be the revised and edited versions of a dead sinner's life. Add a bit of mythology, and one finds the story of a semi-mad bishop chasing snakes off the island becoming better known than much of the real story.

It may be that ancient people combined the stories of two, or even three, historic characters into “St. Patrick.” The most significant of these was a man who, in his youth, had been kidnapped and taken to Ireland. He was a slave for a period of years, working in solitude, before escaping and returning to his native Britain. There, he became a Catholic priest of sorts, and opted to serve as a missionary in Ireland.

Patrick's efforts were never embraced by the leaders of the Roman Catholic hierarchy. He was viewed as being as crude as the “wild” Irish. More, while the Roman Catholic church sought to absorb the pagan rites of tribal peoples surrounding the empire, Patrick attempted a blending. Hence, Patrick became the first known “Roman” Catholic leader to speak out (in his letters) against slavery and the oppression of women. Perhaps more offensive, Patrick noted that all human beings “sinned” on a regular, even daily basis, and could be forgiven, even without payment to the church. These were positions that were entirely unwelcome by the Roman Catholic hierarchy.

Attempts to exploit the human and natural resources of Ireland were causing an increase in violence and suffering in the land. Patrick's letters tend to focus on his attempts to help the poor, and relieve their suffering. As Thomas Cahill writes in his 1995 book, “How the Irish Saved Civilization,” Patrick saw the Irish character traits of loyalty, courage, and generosity to be the same as the Christian virtues of faith, hope, and charity.

Not surprisingly, Patrick's stated goal of having the church serve as a counter-balance to the power of kings was not shared by the Roman Catholic hierarchy. While he broke bread with the poor, church leaders in Europe were dining with “royalty.” At a time when the empire sought to conquer nature, these “leaders” resented Patrick's identifying the Natural World as the true Eucharist.

This is why those familiar with Patrick do not participate in the mindless “partying” that so many Americans take part in on March 17th. It reminds me of when, in the 1990s, a brewery began producing “Crazy Horse Malt Liquor” in 40-ounce bottles. For every tyrant/dictator knows that it is easier to control a drunken mob of merry fools, than a single sober wise man.



“I'm not sure everything can be explained. Some things you either understand, or you just don't. Maybe the goal should be to teach respect for other people, even if you don't fully understand them.”
Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman

I remember one morning, in the early 1990s, when Chief Waterman's daughter Denise called me. She said, “Dad had a serious stroke in the night. You'd better get up here. You might be saying good-bye to him.” I am a slow and cautious driver, but I think I did break the speed limit driving to the hospital in Syracuse.

I was pleased when the nurses told me that Paul was pulling through okay. I went into his room, and set down an ancient stone pipe that I had recovered with me. Paul and I started discussing that pipe, and this led to a series of interviews that I would do with him over the years for an Indian newspaper.

During those years, although his health would fail him, and he suffered a great deal, Chief Waterman would remain focused upon the needs of other people – Indian and non-Indian alike. In the last of our interviews, he spoke about the need to help those who are suffering. That interview was done a few months after the tragic events of 9/11.

“I'm not pointing fingers, or saying one government is right, or one religion is wrong. … What I am concerned with is the innocent human beings who have suffered and died,” he told me.

“See, people suffer every day, from floods and hurricanes. If we want to do the work of the Creator, we share with them. That's doing the Creator's will.”

“Be a good neighbor. If my garden is ready before yours, we should share mine now,and yours later. You have to remember, all of the Earth is the Creator's garden, and he shares it with us. That's why I say sharing is divine intervention.”

“It's (stocking up on food and water) the opposite of sharing. …. Do you want to tell the Creator that you prepared to meet him by storing food, or sharing it?”

I think these concepts are a necessary counter-balance to the power of “government” today, when I look at events in Japan, in the Middle East, and in the United States. They are the ideas that I will talk about when I go to a funeral on St. Patrick's Day.

Peace,
H2O Man
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 01:50 PM
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1. thanks for the thoughtful writing
I plan to research your first quote to get a good feel for what Igiugarjuk meant.

I also appreciate your post about St. Patrick. I hate the way use the day as an excuse to get drunk. It's okay to have a few and enjoy life but on St. Patrick's Day, I have seen too many people drink till they are blotto, sick. The last time I went to the St. Patrick's Day Parade in NY, I was shocked at how some people were drunk in the middle of the afternoon.

You gave us lots to think about.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 02:33 PM
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2. K & R
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 02:39 PM
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3. Miigwich
Edited on Wed Mar-16-11 02:40 PM by SpiralHawk
Big old wig-wag.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:08 PM
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10. .
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 05:07 AM
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15. Show off
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 03:37 PM
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4. In Egypt, the protesters chanted, "we are one hand".
K&R
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 03:42 PM
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5. K&R
I was looking forward to this OP based on what you said on that St. Patrick's Day thread. Admittedly, I never knew much about the holiday and never personally observed it so I was looking forward to learning something about it which I did. So thank you for this.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 03:45 PM
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6. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 03:50 PM
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7. I am sorry for your loss. I think you have chosen the right ideas to speak to.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 06:51 PM
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8. Are those interviews available anywhere?
They sound interesting.

-Hoot
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 06:58 PM
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9. Thank you for sharing. My sincere condolences. K&R n/t
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:14 PM
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11. My condolences to you. Thank you for this beautiful essay. K&R
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:21 PM
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12. so beautiful....
peace be with you H20Man~

I'm reminded of this-
"What do we live for, if it is not to make life less difficult for each other? "
George Eliot
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:33 PM
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13. Peace to you, H20Man
Although I don't often respond to your posts, I almost always read them. The moment I started reading about St. Patrick, I thought "Cahill!" And you did not disappoint. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. My deepest condolences upon your loss.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:05 AM
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14. Much to contemplate

When we work together it's all so much easier: "Many hands make light work."

I was thinking yesterday how the Japanese are working so hard - together - to save their nation and to help each other. And in other places, the people are working as furiously against each other in order to tear each other - and their nations (I include ours) - apart. When will all humans realize how to save themselves? What matters?

Also I agree the morphing of Patrick's "day" into another reason to get trashed obscures everything he was. Thank you for educating us all on the man's life.

Yesterday, my daughter and I were discussing DU. We were laughing about people who are self-appointed Daddies and Mommies on DU. Then she remarked: "H2O man should be DU's Daddy."

I totally agreed, and thought you might get a kick out of it.

Also, have to note that the woman in the lower picture looks exactly like the beautiful woman who took care of me when i was a little girl in Syracuse. It startled me for a moment. I saw her at my grandmother's funeral years ago and she still looked almost the same.



My condolences on the loss of someone dear to you. :hug: I have no condolence stick to give you, but a virtual one.




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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 09:39 AM
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16. Thank you to
everyone who responded to this OP.

Busy day. When time allows, I'll respond to the comments here.
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