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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:08 PM
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Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 17 (or 19*), Part 9
Libyan Revolution Tweets, Day 17 (or 19*), Part 9

Today's threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, , Part 8

#Feb17 Youth organizers invite Gaddafi's collaborators to stand under his umbrella ella ella ella ella ella http://bit.ly/faa34E

"We have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C. Plan A is to live and die in Libya. Plan B is to live and die in Libya. Plan C is to live and die in Libya."
- Saif Islam Qaddafi
during interview

*I called this Day 17 because the official start date was #Feb17 but events kicked off 2 days earlier.

Previous Day 16 threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, Part 10

The worlds 100 largest arms dealers, excluding Chinese vendors, sold weapons for $401 billion in 2009, with US vendors in first place

Threads for Days 1-16 are in my journal

"I was born in Tunisia, I persevered in Egypt, I sacrificed myself in Libya, I have fought in Yemen&Bahrain. I am Freedom, I will not die."
- Libyan4life Jeel Ghathub


MAP of Protests across the Middle East


Military Installations

Oil Map

Click here for updated and interactive map

Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

Please rec if you read these so I know if the effort here is worth it.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:13 PM
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1. Up to eight members of an SAS unit and a junior UK diplomat have been detained in Libya
SkyNewsBreak Sky News Newsdesk
Sunday Times: Up to eight members of an SAS unit and a junior UK diplomat have been detained in Libya
8 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:16 PM
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2. K&R
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:17 PM
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3. Background information: Elite troops and MI6 spies poised to help Libyan rebels
Fancy your chances against the SAS, Gaddafi? Elite troops and MI6 spies poised to help Libyan rebels
By TIM SHIPMAN
Last updated at 12:39 PM on 5th March 2011

Britain is to send teams of spies and diplomats into Libya to help oust Colonel Gaddafi, it emerged last night.

MI6 operatives backed by the SAS are to land in the east around the key rebel stronghold of Benghazi 'within days'.

In addition, 600 soldiers of the Black Watch are on 24-hour standby to fly in and avert a humanitarian catastrophe as Libya erupted into a new wave of bloodshed.

...

British diplomats and spies have been engaged in intensive efforts to speak to opposition forces, which are led by Mustafa Abdel Jalil, head of the rebel National Libyan Council.

...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363187/Libya-u...



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363187/Libya-u...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:18 PM
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4. Foreign Office tells me it can neither confirm nor deny
stuartdhughes Stuart Hughes
Foreign Office tells me it can neither confirm nor deny Sunday Times report that SAS men and Brit diplo have been captured in #libya
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:22 PM
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40. When you asked the other day what M6 is, that is what I was thinking of.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:18 PM
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5. captured in a rebel-held part of Libya tonight

DavidWooding David Wooding
Eight SAS men and a UK diplomat captured in a rebel-held part of Libya tonight.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:19 PM
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6. This could be the last straw, invasion soon?
Marcward93 Marc Ward
This could be the last straw, invasion soon? RT @SkyNewsBreak: Sunday Times: Up to eight members of an SAS unit have been detained in Libya
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:20 PM
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7. Rebel forces hold a UK diplomat & 8 SAS troops 'hostage,' sent to contact/advise opposition.

MatthewHardeman Matthew Hardeman
by rkdoctr
BREAKING: Sunday Times: Rebel forces in Eastern #Libya hold a UK diplomat and eight SAS troops 'hostage,' sent to contact/advise opposition.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:27 PM
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8. Oil prices: Urgent steps needed to wean UK onto other energy sources, MPs say
As Middle East conflicts cause oil prices to rise dramatically, government spells out plans for radical energy shift
Ministers will be ordered to adopt urgent measures to wean the country off oil, amid rising concern that the Libya crisis has left the economy exposed to a dramatic rise in fuel prices.With fears growing that the cost of petrol could hit 2 a litre if instability in the Middle East persists and deepens, every government department will be told this week to comply with a new national "carbon plan" aimed specifically at "getting off the oil hook".

The energy secretary, Chris Huhne, told the Observer that the UK had no option but to speed up efforts to move away from oil. "Getting off the oil hook is made all the more urgent by the crisis in the Middle East. We cannot afford to go on relying on such a volatile source of energy when we can have clean, green and secure energy from low-carbon sources," he said. "The carbon plan is about ensuring that the whole of government is engaged in a joined-up effort to lead us into a low-carbon world."
The transport secretary, Philip Hammond, who has infuriated green groups by floating the idea of raising the motorway speed limit from 70mph to 80mph, will be told he must produce a nationwide strategy to promote installation of infrastructure for electric cars by June.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/05/oil-uk-e...

will not see this in the US.
Gobbles 25% of the worlds resources, consist of less than 3% of worlds entire population.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:34 PM
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52. KR -- like they haven't known the need for this for 40 years!
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 11:35 PM by defendandprotect
Imagine all the alternative systems that have been destroyed over this time!!

We've known for more than 50 years that we shouldn't be burning fossil fuels --

now we're near losing our planet!!



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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:19 PM
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17. Eight SAS men in undercover mission are seized in Libya - by the rebel forces they went to help
Eight SAS men in undercover mission are seized in Libya - by the rebel forces they went to help
By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE
Last updated at 12:58 AM on 6th March 2011


An eight-man SAS team was being held by Libyan rebel forces last night after being captured as they accompanied a junior British diplomat on an undercover mission which ended in embarrassment.
The elite troops had been escorting the diplomat through rebel-held territory in the east of Libya as he tried to make contact with opponents of Colonel Gaddafi.

The diplomat had intended to pave the way for a more senior British official to establish diplomatic relations with rebel forces.

But last night the young Foreign Office employee and his armed SAS escorts were locked up inside a military base in Benghazi, the largest city held by opponents of Col Gaddafi.

It is understood the SAS incursion into rebel-held territory infuriated opposition politicians, one of whom told them to warn David Camerons Government that it should recognise the opposition as Libyas legitimate leaders before attempting to open negotiations.

...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363424/Eight-S...



Daily Mail isn't the most reliable source
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:37 PM
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22. 8 SAS soldiers and a diplomat ... We are asking the world not to intervene
ShababLibya LibyanYouthMovement
8 SAS soldiers and a diplomat caught in Libya by the freedom fighters. We are asking the world not to intervene #Libya #Feb17
4 minutes ago


I really hope that's not just a dumb tabloid story. Rupert Murdoch doesn't inspire confidence.

And if you go to the front page where that story is and click on the link, it takes you to an article called "Some fatherly advice lose the dog collar

This week, Disappearing Dad was the most interesting of the patronising fatherhood series and the big daddy of TV makes a welcome return"

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:39 PM
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23. What about "no ground intervention" do these people not get?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:47 PM
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25. The story is very strange. Brit tweets r are mad. Want to know who authorized this and why n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 08:48 PM by Catherina
n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:51 PM
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26. Reuters: 8 British SAS soldiers seized (article)
Tripolitanian Libyan
by der_bluthund
Reuters: 8 British SAS soldiers seized in #Benghazi, #Libya / the UK should understand tht this is a Libyan revolution

Libyan rebels seize British SAS troops - report

LONDON | Sun Mar 6, 2011 1:24am GMT

(Reuters) -

...

Earlier on Saturday the Geneva-based Human Rights Solidarity group, which employs a number of Libyan exiles, told Reuters by telephone that a team of "eight special forces personnel" had been seized by rebels. Both the Ministry of Defence and Foreign Office repeatedly declined to comment on the group's report.

The SAS intervention apparently angered Libyan opposition figures, who ordered the soldiers locked up on a military base, according to the Sunday Times.

Opponents of long-time Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi fear he could use any evidence of Western military intervention to rally patriotic support away from a two-week-old uprising against his 41-year autocratic rule.

...

The Sunday Times said Libyan opposition officials were said to be trying to hush up the incident for fear of a backlash from ordinary Libyans.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/06/uk-britain-lib...


They thought they could keep this quiet?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:04 PM
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28. LIBYA: REVOLUTION RESOURCE, all #Libya #Feb17 links in one place!

Sarurah Sarah M (Analibyana)
@feb17libya Can you please link to this website? LIBYA: REVOLUTION RESOURCE http://bit.ly/LYResource all #Libya #Feb17 links in one place!
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https://spreadsheets5.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0A...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:06 PM
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30.  frankly, the UK was stupid for sending soldiers, this will undermine the revolution
Tripolitanian Libyan
To put things frankly, the UK was stupid for sending soldiers or diplomats to Eastern #Libya, this will undermine the revolution
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:07 PM
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31. If the UK wanted to contact the opposition, telephones are working
Tripolitanian Libyan
If the UK wanted to contact the opposition, telephones are working. #Libya
4 minutes ago
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:35 PM
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9. Rebels "making a point" re unsanctioned foreign intervention. Feeling this will end ok
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 07:38 PM by Catherina
gabrielmilland Gabriel Milland
@
@niallpaterson eight SAS men being disarmed and taken captive, too.
16 minutes ago

gabrielmilland Gabriel Milland
@
@niallpaterson so why send EIGHT of them? Have we got SF guys coming out of our ears?
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niallpaterson niallpaterson
@gabrielmilland The "junior diplomat" was there to establish diplomatic relations. Seems a bit daft not to ring ahead.
17 minutes ago


niallpaterson niallpaterson
@gabrielmilland Does seem like overkill. Hmm. You'll note i put "junior diplomat" in inverted commas.
3 minutes ago


niallpaterson niallpaterson
Rebels "making a point" re unsanctioned foreign intervention. Feeling is that this will not end badly.
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@niallpaterson London
Sky News defence correspondent



That's a journalist's in London's opinion. Can't find anything on the net other than a Sky News and Sunday Times Breaking News Banner.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:37 PM
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10. #Egypt: Sex blackmail tapes found in SS HQs
tomgara Tom Gara
by gabrielmilland
Label on tape: "sexual encounter between Kuwaiti princess and a man at Cecil Hotel in Alexandria" #amndawlaleaks http://yfrog.com/h772jlej
2 hours ago

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:39 PM
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53. KR --
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:40 PM
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11. fully expect #Sirt to explode tomorrow. will definitely be a huge loss for #Gaddafi.. hope #Zawiya >
libya_Horra Libya 7orra
fully expect #Sirt to explode tomorrow. will definitely be a huge loss for #Gaddafi.. hope #Zawiya stay strong, theyve been warriors. #feb17
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:43 PM
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12. 2011 Libyan protests chants Wiki (to be deleted soon)
LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com
by Tripolitanian@
@Tripolitanian تفضل يا خوي يا طرابلسي http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_protests_chant... #libya #feb17
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This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page.
Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the Guide to deletion.


Priceless page. I'm saving it now before it gets deleted.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:46 PM
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13. False reports on CNN Special.. #Zawiya is now under control of the people
ZahratTrablis Zahrat El
False reports on CNN Special.. #Zawiya is now under control of the people @cnnbrk @bencnn @AC360
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:47 PM
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14. #Qatar government first to recognize Libyan Provisional Government
ZahratTrablis Zahrat El
#Qatar government first to recognize Libyan Provisional Government #Libya #Feb17
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:49 PM
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15. To LIBYA: We hear you, we see you, we support you!
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 07:50 PM by Catherina
septimius_sever septimius severus
To LIBYA: We hear you, we see you, we support you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b9yHyrlUMI #libya #feb17
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:02 PM
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16. Not pleased @NickKristof's column - Road to modernity in the Arab world is get rid of the West's col
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 08:02 PM by Catherina
HendOfPalestine Hend
Not pleased @NickKristof's column - Road to modernity in the Arab world is get rid of the West's colonial paw prints http://nyti.ms/gsf2jM
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A long condescending screed about how backwards Islam is. Won't waste my time reading it or formatting that.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:21 PM
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18. I read it too, it started off well
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 08:30 PM by sasha031
paraphrasing: but speaking of the ME being the beginning of all civilization.

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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:24 PM
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19. My mother always told me
When people talk about other people, they're really talking about themselves.

Those pictures look like a clear case of projecting to me.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:28 PM
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21. sorry it's no projection on my part
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:25 PM
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20. It's not going over well on Twitter. Here's one comment. And the jerk digs in
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 08:27 PM by Catherina


Soraal Soraal
@
@NickKristof the implication is that ME people are uncivilized? I assure you govts do not reflect their people - that is why they protest
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NickKristof Nicholas Kristof
@
@Soraal Of course the Middle East is backward. Look at literacy rates, female labor force participation, political systems. Question is why.
2 hours ago


Soraal Soraal
@
@NickKristof why is your brain backward? The title of your column is insulting on so many levels, you're so obnoxious & think you're helping
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply





Soraal Soraal
@
@Verdurer there's a large variety of words to choose from, & he chose the insulting one. It says something about his opinion @NickKristof
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:46 PM
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54. Agree --
And history shows us that the most beautiful and intelligent people had to be the

first suppressed, for the benefit of the ignorant and violent among us.

Same with all of nature -- beauty of nature is anathema to them -- and constantly

destroyed to be replaced with chaos/disorder and ugliness.

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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:45 PM
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24. cbc documentary on #gaddafi.
IbnOmar2005 Ibn Omar
by ShababLibya
http://tinyurl.com/64b4vdf cbc documentary on #gaddafi. #libya
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:20 PM
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33. Thanks. There are no tweets now. I'm going to make dinner then will watch. brb n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 09:21 PM by Catherina
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:37 PM
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35. calling Palestinians radical
makes Reagan look like a hero...

think you would tear this one to shreds :) :popcorn:

enjoy your dinner

:9
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:51 PM
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46. I'm watching it now. I'm at minute 2 but it looks interesting.
I'm going to go lie down and watch it. Be back when it's over unless tweets come in first.

CNN states there's heavy gunfire at Green square in Tripoli but the Libyan tweets aren't talking about it.

The SAS story is causing a lot of chatter but it's all speculation.

Be back soon and hope the gunfire in Tripoli is just shooting in the air since all their communications are down. I hope Sirte is going well too. It's frustrating not to know. brb.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 08:58 PM
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27. We have removed the translations of the Declaration of the National Transitional Council of Libya
IMPORTANT: We have removed the unofficial translations
Posted on March 6, 2011 by Admin

We have received a number of emails that have expressed deep concern regarding the unofficial translations of the Declaration of the National Transitional Council of Libya. While our intention was to make this information available to as many people as possible, the main concerns are that:

1. The translations are unofficial
2. The translations may misrepresent the message of the council

We have therefore decided to remove the translations as we would never wish to facilitate misunderstandings or misrepresentations, and especially in these critical stages of the Libyan revolution.

We would like to thank those who notified us about this issue, and we would also like to thank those native speakers who emailed us with better translated versions of the declaration.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/03/important-we-have-rem... /


Does anyone remember which thread that was in? As a historian I hate to do this but I'm going to alert and have it deleted.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:04 PM
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29. I tried both google and DU search, can't find anything
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:17 PM
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32. I found the post here but it's still up at their site
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:29 PM
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34. you might find the documentary interesting, I'm watching it now
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 09:31 PM by sasha031
on 2nd thought I'm not sure how good this is.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:39 PM
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36. It's in Part 4. Permalink:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:03 PM
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37. Thank you. The strange thing is that their translation is still up
so I'm confused.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:18 PM
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39. In the absence of an official translation, I think it's useful
Errors that have been pointed out can be corected in the interim, but there's no reason to take it down until an "official" translation is available.




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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:36 PM
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43. Ok will leave it especially since their's is still up
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:05 AM
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81. Also in Day 17 Part 2, post 62:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Perhaps OK to leave up, as you've decided. But perhaps post comments referring to the above statement/doubts?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:11 PM
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38. #Saadi #Gaddafi's love note to his former nightclub dancer girlfriend
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 10:12 PM by Catherina
ibntarabulus Ibn Tarabulus
#Saadi #Gaddafi's love note to his former nightclub dancer girlfriend http://twitpic.com/46lp4f
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Former nightclub dancer reveals how she had a 'crazy' six-year fling with Gaddafi's son and watched as he
...

...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363413/My-craz...



I just can't bring myself to past that here but there's the link

It's a slow night. This article keeps coming up with lots of anger about the money.



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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:28 PM
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41. Almost $280 million in a year.
:puke:

The anger is unsurprising.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:41 PM
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44. from a father whose salary is only $793 a year
It's amazing how quickly you can save up enough to live lavishly if you just put your mind to it. This isn't going over well at all.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:57 PM
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47. Gadhafi's son investigated over PhD plagiarism claims
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 10:59 PM by sasha031
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:08 AM
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60. K/R -- if anyone has the time . . .
I'd recommend a fast scan of this article --

IMO, it makes clear how money becomes power --
We have to return to taxing wealth and prevent any such huge
amassing of funds as either Gaddafi or Bill Gates have.

On the personal side, how much does a son fear a father like Gaddafi when
they know how quickly he will kill/torture.

I'm sure many of us would like security -- but we can see it doesn't necesarily
come from money.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:33 PM
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42. #CNN states heavy gunfire in #SahaKhadra #GreenSquare #Tripoli
IbnOmar2005 Ibn Omar
my mom just told me @cnn is saying heavy gunfire in green square in #tripoli #libya :S
11 minute ago

ZahratTrablis Zahrat El
#CNN states heavy gunfire in #SahaKhadra #GreenSquare #Tripoli #Libya
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:44 PM
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45. #G seeks UN probe into unrest: Libyan leader says UN or AU should launch an investigation
AJEnglish Al Jazeera English
Gaddafi seeks UN probe into unrest: Libyan leader says UN or AU should launch an investigation into unrest rocki... http://aje.me/hGXB0O
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:03 PM
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48. Tortured Man Speaks
DemocracyReview Democracy Review
by alikat747
Tortured Man Speaks http://tinyurl.com/DR0305C #AmnDawla #Tahrir #Egypt #Jan25 #SS Can someone help me complete his story? Who met him? DM
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:09 PM
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49. LIBYA: U.S. mil. flights evacuate Egyptian refugees to Cairo from Tunisia airport
Posted on AJE blogs at 2:10 AM Libya time Sunday, March 6 (7:10 PM EST, 4:10 PM PST Saturday, March 5):

US military flights carrying dozens of Egyptian refugees from Libya have arrived from the capital Cairo, an official told AFP news agency.

Military planes had taken off from Djerba airport in Tunisia as part of an international effort to evacuate refugees from the unrest in Libya.



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:52 PM
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57. CNN: U.S. planes ferry people fleeing Libya out of Tunisia; 2 more USAF planes scheduled
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 11:53 PM by pinboy3niner


U.S. planes ferry people fleeing Libya out of Tunisia

From Ivan Watson and Jomana Karadsheh, CNN
March 5, 2011 4:36 p.m. EST

Djerba, Tunisia (CNN) -- U.S. military planes headed for Cairo took off from Tunisia Saturday, evacuating Egyptians fleeing the Libyan conflict, a deadly war spurring a massive refugee flight.

Two Marine planes left the airport in the Tunisian island of Djerba with a total of 132 Egyptians on board, the U.S. State Department said.

Two additional Air Force C-130s are en route to Djerba and will take another group of Egyptians home. All four U.S. planes are expected to arrive in Cairo by Saturday night, U.S. officials said.

<snip>

There are at least 10 other evacuation flights scheduled for Saturday -- six British, three Spanish and one Italian -- said Firas Kayal, a spokesman for the United Nations refugee agency.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/05/libya.refuge... /





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:21 PM
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50. AFP: Kadhafi forces accused of 'massacre' as battles rage

Kadhafi forces accused of 'massacre' as battles rage

by Samer al-Atrush Samer Al-atrush Sat Mar 5, 6:50 pm ET


BIN JAWAD, Libya (AFP) Moamer Kadhafi's forces were accused of a massacre during an assault on a key city Saturday, as rebels pushed towards Tripoli and declared themselves Libya's sole representative.

<snip>

"This was a real massacre. The situation is catastrophic. They killed many people. They killed my daughter," the doctor told AFP by telephone.

<snip>

"As they went by, the soldiers were shooting at people sitting and standing outside their homes, including a family which has a 10-year-old boy," <Sky News correspondent Alex Crawford> said.

<snip>

One rebel said: "I want to give a message to America. See these planes? We want a no-fly zone," something Western powers have so far been unwilling to impose.

At funerals in Ras Lanuf, another man said "there will be rivers of blood... How long will the West hold back and do nothing?"

More:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110305/ts_afp/libyapoliti...



There's more in this story about the council at Benghazi, opposition forces approaching Sirte, the no-fly zone issue...





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:10 AM
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61. LIBYA HURRA -- !! "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" -- !!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:31 PM
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51. Reports of intense gunfire in Tripoli now
Telephone reports to AJE from their correspondent and a resident say intense gunfire can be heard in the capital now. (Reporter raises possibility of fireworks, resident certain it's gunfire.)

AJE will be updating:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now /





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:13 AM
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62. UPDATE: Sustained pistol and semi-auto rifle fire last half hour
AJE correspondent in Tripoli said her gov't. contact assures her it's celebration of regime military victories (claims they took Misurata, Ras Lanuf in last few hours).

Official told her she could walk to Green Sq. and see for herself. She says, "I'm not quite sure that walking to Green Square would be safe right now."

Gunfire is accompanied by honking of car horns; reporter says it doesn't sound like the kind of celebratory gunfire heard at weddings. Notes that 2 police cars stationed outside the hotel where journalists are staying took off at high speed with tires squealing when gunfire began.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now /





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:31 AM
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63. MORE: "heavier caliber weapons" heard

With dawn breaking now in Tripoli, AJE's Anita McNaught reports the firing also includes machine guns and heavier caliber weapons (possibly armor-piercing munitions).

She's also seen many police cars racing around the city.

She said there were celebratory fireworks an hour or so ago, and it's posible the regime had some strategic victories overnight.

"But that is not the whole story here in Tripoli this morning."

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now /





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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:47 PM
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55. time for bed
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 11:47 PM by sasha031
thank you for all your amazing work Christina :loveya: :pals: :hug:


nite everyone :hi:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:50 PM
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56. 'nite, kick
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:54 PM
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58. 'Night, Sasha
Until tomorrow...

:hi:
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:59 PM
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59. nite pinboy3niner
:hug:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:57 AM
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64. Opposition still controls Misurata, but some militias & pro-G loyalists active

Resident Sadoun Misrata just reported to AJE by phone that opposition remains in control, but a small pocket of G militia is at the AFB and is surrounded by opposition (army defectors and citizens).

Kidnappings by loyalists are "the issue the city is dealing with at the moment." Loyalists have kidnapped up to 80 people, he reports, and the opposition is working "to cleanse the city of this activity."

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now /





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:28 AM
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65. Regime, State TV falsely claiming military victories

8:05am < (20 minutes ago) >

Libyan state TV now showing scenes of crowds celebrating in Tripoli's Green Square and repeating claims that Az Zawiyah, Misurata and Tobruk have all been recaptured by Gaddafi's forces.

However, rebel groups say that they are still in control of these areas.


7:50am

State TV says that forces loyal to Gaddafi have recaptured the third city of Misrata and the oil town of Ras Lanuf taken by rebels on Friday.

But Sadoun Misrata, speaking live to Al Jazeera from Misurata says that there is absolutely no truth to those claims.

He said that the army in Misurata has sided with the people, but the only concern at the moment was the kidnapping of opposition members by Gaddafi loyalists.



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:42 AM
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67. Regarding Ras Lanuf, my bet is that Gaddafi blew his load on Az Zawiyah, doubting the...
...determination of the revolutionaries. I think it shows that his loyalists are far lower in number than the best estimates might suggest. Az Zawiyah is strategically important long term, but Ras Lanuf is important short term as it boosts morale and moves the rebels one step closer to Sirte. If there is infighting in Sirte as is reported, Sirte could fall easily, thus nearly completing the strategic supply line necessary to take Tripoli. The next few days are going to tell the full story. With hope the revolutionaries can hold on to Az Zawiyah a little bit longer, but I think the loss of Ran Lanuf was, to Gaddafi, a blow, and he'll redirect his armies to the east.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:55 AM
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70. The opposition is piling up one military victory after another
Gaddafi's propaganda organ lies about the reality, but he may be desperate to achieve a real military victory.

That could be both bad and good. Bad if he increases use of airstrikes and bad for the target(s) of his forces. Potentially good if concentrating his forces on one or two objectives leaves him vulnerable.

I'm optimistic too, Josh. It's looking more and more every day like he can't last much longer.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:34 AM
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66. AFP: "Negotiations for a peaceful entry into Sirte possible"
News excerpt from AFP:


A retired soldier-turned-rebel said an advance further towards Sirte would depend on reinforcements and the weather. A dust storm reduced visibility in Ras Lanuf on Saturday.

Negotiations for a peaceful entry into Sirte were possible.

"We can easily enter Sirte, but we want to avoid the loss of life," Namil Mashash, a rebel leader in Ras Lanuf, told AFP. "That is why we are negotiating to go to Sirte without fighting and then continue on to Tripoli."

Defected soldier Ibrahim al-Atrashi said 7,000 men have moved from Benghazi west towards the front in the past three days.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110305/ts_afp/libyapoliti...






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:43 AM
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68. That is beautiful. See my above comment. If they pull that off (possible given the division)...
...they may well have just ended this thing a week ahead of time.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:57 AM
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71. When Sirte falls--one way or another--it's next stop: Tripoli. :) nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:43 AM
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69. India, China and Austria still buying Libyan oil--legally
8:13am

Al Jazeera has learned that despite UN sanctions, India, China and Austria are still buying Libyan oil, legally. These three oil fields provide Gaddafi's regime with 80 per cent of its revenue. In 2010, exports were around 1.3 million barrels a day, last week it was 600,000 a day. This image shows the locations of the oil fields:



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:59 AM
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72. I hope they can take Sirte soon- as peacefully as possible.
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 02:00 AM by Desertrose
How can he be selling oil legally....I guess the addiction must be fed. I know it would be devastating for those countries to have the supply cut off. Very sad all around.



Thanks for posting pinboy3niner...and sasha & josh & Catherina. I am late catching up with all these info filled threads but hate to miss any of them.

:grouphug:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:55 AM
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74. You're welcome--but we save all the really HEAVY lifting for Catherina. :)
None of the rest of us--individually or together--can hope to keep up with the huge volume of information and variety of sources that Catherina masters (plus copying, pasting and posting!).

I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't an entire squad of people posting under her username. :evilgrin:

:grouphug:





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 03:10 AM
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75. WHY PAYING FOR LIBYAN OIL IS LEGAL under the U.N. sanctions:
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 03:12 AM by pinboy3niner
The international business newspaper The Financial Times reported Friday that India, China and Austria are still buying Libyan oil-- legally.

A representative of the newspaper said in an interview with Al Jazeera that the problem is that the U.N. financial sanctions recently imposed on Libya are directed at individuals, not at institutions like Libya's central bank.

It appears that oil payments can continue to be made to Libya--just not individually to the persons named in the U.N. sanctions.

Access to the Financial Times story is limited to registration, and registration isn't possible at the moment due to a high volume of traffic. Here's their headline and link, in case anyone wants to see the story and can gain access:


From COMPANIES Mar 4, 2011
Oil millions still flow for Gaddafi
Payments for crude exports finding their way back to Libya


http://www.ft.com/home/us






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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:19 AM
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83. Exports from Al Hamra fields via Al Zawiyah; from the Sirte Basin via Ras Lanuf and Brega;
El Bouri, being offshore, loads tankers on-site and exports directly.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:25 AM
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85. Map of these oilfields provided by AJE:







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:13 AM
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73. New Gaddafi cartoon (a good one!):
AJE: Kashmiri cartoonist Malik Sajad sent us this cartoon commenting on Gaddafi's response to the popular protests in his country.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 03:15 AM
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76. It has been discussed here that one of the things that makes this time different
is the on-the-ground reporting of individuals. In a way you get to know them, feel their emotions- pain, fear, elation- and worry about them as individuals when they aren't about.

I found a quote for you, Catherina, from Marcel Proust.

The only true voyage, the only fountain of youth would be found not in traveling to strange lands but in having different eyes, in seeing the universe through the eyes of another person, of a hundred others, and seeing the hundred universes each of them sees, which each of them is.


Our new technologies are allowing not only information and organization, but compassion on a grander scale than it's creators could have imagined. I hope this is humanity's 'fountain of youth', allowing us to finally becoome a reasonably peaceful whole.

Thank you Catherina and the others here. This thread is an amazing work of love and patience. Good night, may we all wake to a free Libya, and soon to a free world.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 03:58 AM
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77. "...may we all wake to a free Libya, and soon to a free world." AMEN!
Excellent observations!

It occurred to me in the last few days that we never followed the experience of our own troops at war in Iraq and Afghanistan the way we've followed events in Egypt and Libya and the experience of the protesters and freedom fighters in those countries.

U.S. troops in OEF/OIF were able to post on Facebook, though they were limited by Pentagon restrictions, and accessibility of their postings was limited. I know that the Pentagon tightened the restrictions, further limiting the ability of soldiers, sailors, airmen/women and Marines to communicate (or at least limiting what KINDS of information they are permitted to communicate).

I haven't seen any information about troops tweeting. If they do (and that very well may be happening), it's apparently nothing like what we're seeing coming out of the ME and Africa now.

And I haven't seen that kind of communication coming from Iraqi and Afghani residents, either. If we had that, it would certainly enrich our understanding of what is happening in the wars our country is fighting--as well as our compassion for the people who are caught up in and most directly affected by those events and our national policies.

Your brief post explains a lot. Goodnight, bengalherder, and a belated welcome to DU.

Love & Peace,
pinboy3niner





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:12 AM
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78. Toll in explosion at Benghazi arms dump at least 39 killed, 130 wounded
AJE posted less than an hour ago:

10:32am

Funerals have been held in Benghazi for some of at least 39 people killed in an explosion at an arms dump on Friday. The attack is being blamed on Gaddafi's forces.

At least 130 more were wounded after the arms depot was struck by two air missiles fifteen minutes apart. Fire Fighters tried to quell a subsequent fire but were blown away by another explosion that ripped through the army base.

A local doctor says body parts have been found strewn amongst the debris.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:22 AM
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79. Reuters reporting loyalist forces have attacked opposition in Bin Jawad
10:37am

Reuters reports that Libyan armed forces loyal to Gaddafi have attacked opposition forces in the east Libyan town of Bin Jawad.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 04:40 AM
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80. BREAKING: Gaddafi launches airstrikes on opposition forces advancing toward Sirte
Posted within the last half hour:

11:10am

The Associated Press news agency reports Libyan warplanes have launched airstrikes on an anti-Gaddafi force advancing towardthe Libyan leader's stronghold of Sirte.

An AP television crew saw the airstrikes targeting the rebels on Sunday.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:07 AM
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82. Free Libya forces fall back to Ras Lanuf under helicopter gunship assault
Posted within the last 15 minutes:

11:51pm

Rebel forces fall back to Ras Lanuf from positions to the west, while firing at government helicopters, Reuters reports.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:22 AM
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84. Possible DRONE aircraft sighted over Ras Lanuf
AJE's Jacky Rowland just reported from Ras Lanuf that she saw what she called a "possible drone" flying over the town, "very high up," higher than the regime helicopter gunships that are flying in the area.

Rowland suggested it is from some other power, "possibly U.S., possibly NATO" keeping an eye on things.

Reported by telephone live on AJE:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now /

Surprise, surprise--not--that U.S. intel is monitoring developments closely (and may be passing intel to the opposition).





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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 05:34 AM
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86. Day 18, Part 1 here
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