The Entire Abortion Debate in Two Signs

[proud2BlibKansan]

http://front.moveon.org/the-entire-abortion-debate-in-two-signs/

[Matariki]

1. Don't call *them* "pro-life"

They aren't.

[NuclearDem]

2. If they were pro-life they'd be against the death penalty, anti-war, and pro-HCR

They're just anti-abortion.

[Matariki]

7. Or shoot doctors.

[Th1onein]

40. Not always true.

I am against war, the death penalty and abortion, and for health care. Still, because I am pro-life, I get called a religious nut who hates women.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

5. Right on. It's Anti-Choice. I can't understand why we've taken the bait for years.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. I didn't make the sign but I agree. They are anti-choice.

When we were counter protesting here at an area clinic, we noticed that the anti-choice group was all older men. When one of them came over to talk to us I asked him which of those women walking in the clinic was the mother of his child. He asked what I meant and I said "Well I noticed you were yelling at each of them as they went in. And you don't have any business telling any woman she can't have an abortion unless you fathered her child. So which one did you have sex with?"

He got all flustered and walked away. No response.

[Matariki]

9. I wasn't criticizing you Proud2BlibKansan

That wording is just a point I feel strongly about. I almost wonder if the photo wasn't a set up, for the anti-choice crowd.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. I doubt it was a set up. Go to the link.

The woman in the picture wrote why she made her sign.

[Matariki]

17. you're right.

[TorchTheWitch]

25. you think he has anything to say about a pregnancy he may have caused?

Are you fucking kidding me??? Clearly you don't get WHO's choice it is! It's NOBODY's choice but the pregnant woman's - EVER!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Unless he is a rapist I believe the father has a say.

Someone close to me was devastated when he learned after the fact that his girlfriend had an abortion without even telling him she was pregnant. It really affected me. Still upsetting.

[TorchTheWitch]

36. then just admit you're anti-choice

Pro-choice means it is the pregnant person's decision ONLY. No man for ANY reason has any say in what happens to a pregnancy because it is NOT THEM that is pregnant!

Sad for you friend, but it was NEVER his choice to make and NEVER should be even if they may have caused the pregnancy. Being someone's boyfriend or husband does NOT mean you own their body. You don't get to make medical decisions for anyone else but yourself whether it's pregnancy, cancer, a boob job or whatever. Deciding whether or not to abort is a PERSONAL and MEDICAL decision that can and should only be made by the pregnant woman - PERIOD. That's exactly what Pro-Choice IS.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. No. I admit the father is part of the decision.

A decent man will support the decision a woman makes. But he has a right to be informed.

[DURHAM D]

38. Unless the man has the ability to accept physical ownership of the fetus,

its not his decision. When science figures out a way for men to incubate then they can perhaps have a say. But not until they are able to take the hand-off. Otherwise, you are supporting his right of dominion other her body for the better part of a year.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

3. someone looks like he just got pwned and knows it

[Brother Buzz]

13. He's checking his watch....

and thinking it's a good time to hit Dunkin' Donuts.

[MedleyMisty]

4. If they're not pro-life from conception to grave

Meaning anti-death penalty, anti-war, pro-health care, pro-education, pro-redistribution of wealth so everyone has the necessities of life - then it can only be about controlling women.

[HEyHEY]

11. It's not about controlling women in that sense. They're just idiots n/t

These people ain't even smart enough to set up a conspiracy like that.

[DURHAM D]

14. Oh please...

It is about controlling women. PERIOD

If they can't the people with the scary lady parts will take over the world.

The inferior upright homo sapiens can't have that.

[HEyHEY]

23. You honestly believe they are getting together and saying

"We really need to control women. All we need is a vehicle with which to do it. I have an idea, that abortion thing we usually don't care about. Let's make a big deal out of that!"

You're giving them too much credit.

[DURHAM D]

Apparently you don't know these kind of people.

The need to control is in their DNA. They are simple-minded bullies because they are fearful and feel inferior.

[Kievan Rus]

28. Agreed. They'll just think the way that Faux News and talk radio tells them to think

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. I don't think they are that organized

but I do believe they want to control women. Keep em home, barefoot and pregnant. That's the plan.

[HEyHEY]

35. I think their kind of person is likely like that too.

[TorchTheWitch]

27. it's about controling AND punishing women

"If she didn't want to get pregnant she should have kept her legs closed" is at the heart of every anti-choicer. Punishment has always been part of it.

[JoeyT]

26. It's not really a conspiracy.

It's a bunch of people that hate women and have latched on to the argument of the moment that gives them a shot at hurting them. If they win and abortion is outlawed, birth control will be next. Then it will probably be something like spousal rape laws, which conservatives oppose(d). Hell, who knows what would come after that. Other rape laws? Owning property? Being allowed to vote?

They're restricted by society to insisting they're just trying to save the precious baybeeez for now. If it weren't for that, they'd be screaming about how we should stone harlots in the town square. The basis for all of this is the apparently totally unreasonable demand by women to control what goes in or comes out of their own bodies.

Edited to add: It's the same reason the Klan claims they really seriously aren't racist, they're just standing up for the rights of white people. They figured out (eventually) that being known as a bunch of racist jackasses hurt their "cause". They're still racist jackasses, but they'll pretend to care about other things publicly because it's the only way they can push for what they want.

[Terra Alta]

8. they are only "pro-life" up until birth.

Once the child is born, screw it. Especially if the child is born into a poor and/or Hispanic family.

[HughBeaumont]

12. Telling also is which gender is holding which sign.

Amazing how that many men seem to be so interested in controlling anatomy that isn't theirs.

[DURHAM D]

15. Yep -

Lets demand that all males are circumcised.

[uppityperson]

16. non-sequiter

[DURHAM D]

18. Not really - its just about control of one gender over another.

Pick something that pertains to only one gender's body and then allow the other gender to control it.

Edit: If you don't want an abortion or think it is wrong then don't have one. Its that easy.

[Sal Minella]

21. Wut???

[DURHAM D]

22. Yep - Such a ridiculous idea...

Just as ridiculous as thinking that a uterus is something to be controlled by a bunch of strange people.

[uppityperson]

30. I understand what you are meaning, but don't think it's that easy for some

Good comeback and it might stop them for a moment though.

[DURHAM D]

31. Why do you give cover to dogmatic ideologues?

As I said above - if you don't want an abortion don't have one.

Can't you trust everyone else to make their own decisions?

If not, why not?

[uppityperson]

39. You are calling ME out about abortions? hahahahahahahahahaha

I do not think you have read much of my posts on the subject.

On edit, thank you for being so pro-choice. Seriously. I appreciate it.

[hobbit709]

19. Here's one from the rally in Austin Saturday

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. I wore a t-shirt Saturday that said:

Motherhood, Apple Pie and Abortion
43% of American Women Can't Be Wrong

[OwnedByFerrets]

24. I hate the pro-life moniker. Hell, we are ALL pro-life.

[Lisa0825]

29. The situation in one sign...

Love the Fetus.
Forget the Child.
Hate the Woman.

[barbtries]

32. i'd change one thing

put "pro-life" in quotes.