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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:37 PM
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On Oscar night, 82,000 will be sleeping on the streets of LA, the nation’s epicenter of homelessness
from The Nation:




Homeless in Hollywood

Richard Pollak
February 24, 2011


Winter’s Bone, one of ten nominees for best picture at the Academy Awards, is not likely to win. It deals with a drug-addicted father who abandons his poverty-stricken family, leaving them on the edge of homelessness—subjects that rarely, if ever, prevail at Hollywood’s annual exercise in self-congratulation, where less troubling features like True Grit, The King’s Speech or The Social Network are favored to take the top prize. And when Hollywood’s haut monde arrives on waves of couture on February 27, it will not be fretting much about living in the nation’s “meanest” city in treating the homeless as criminals.

Los Angeles earned this distinction in 2009 when the National Coalition for the Homeless and the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty surveyed 273 cities in the country. They based their report, “Homes Not Handcuffs,” on the number of anti-homeless laws in a city, the enforcement of those laws and the general political climate, among other factors. Los Angeles emerged on top because of its strategy of ticketing, arresting and occasionally brutalizing or just ignoring many of its homeless—tactics that local social service agencies and civil rights leaders had been decrying for years as not only inhumane but also financially counterproductive.

The so-called “Safe City Initiative,” for example, assigned a police contingent of fifty to tackle crime on Skid Row, a fifty-square-block area east of downtown that has been a homeless domain for decades. This crackdown cost an estimated $6 million a year, at a time when the city was budgeting just $5.7 million to serve the homeless. As “Homes Not Handcuffs” reports, “Advocates found that during (an) 11-month period 24 people were arrested 201 times, at a cost of $3.6 million for use of police, the jail system, prosecutors, public defenders and the courts.” By some estimates, that money could have provided housing for 225 people.

Politicians have made the usual promises to furnish more housing and services for the homeless, and some progress has been made since the 2009 report. But LA remains the homeless capital of the country, suffering certainly from the national economic travail but perhaps more from a continuing lack of urgency on the part of many well-housed and well-fed local and state officials. Last year, some 254,000 men, women and children were homeless in Los Angeles County (population 10 million) at some point, and 82,000 were on the streets on any given night. Not surprisingly, almost half of them were African-American, though blacks constitute just 9 percent of the county’s population; Latinos make up 47 percent of the county and 33 percent of its homeless. As many as 75 percent of people on the streets are not receiving the public benefits to which they are entitled. Some 20 percent are physically disabled, 25 percent mentally so. ............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.thenation.com/article/158838/homeless-hollywood



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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:38 PM
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1. k&r
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:39 PM
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2. K & R for visibility
Our national shame
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:43 PM
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3. I misread the headline... I thought it meant that thousands of protesters would be sleeping on the
streets of L.A. to draw attention to homelessness when all the glitteratti are assembled, with the media.

THAT would be s strong statement, and it is high time for people to do just that!

I'm not happy about a movie that continues the myth of homeless people as druggies and "mentally ill". It is waaaay past time to look at the reality---people just like any of us, who are without a home.

This article, however, points out the ridiculousness of paying a high cost to keep people homeless, rather than to do the right thing and provide homes for all.

And, of course, Obama is cutting funds for low-income housing. :nuke:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:50 PM
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9. now that would be a good action!
too late for this year, but...hmmmm
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:53 PM
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11. Its not too late, if people would do it!
Those protests today were pulled together in little time.

Because it was IMPORTANT to people.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:59 PM
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14. Maybe some folks in La will see this
and do something tomorrow night!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:09 PM
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15. Its tomorrow?
Oh well....I'm sure they have been bustling their butts, clearing out the homeless people so they won't muck up the scenery.

:nuke:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:16 PM
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18. Yep
Would be nice if they'd put them in housing! For the cost of the oscars they could house quite a few...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:22 PM
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20. In the laundromat the other day, there was a local program about some charity the
professional athletes trophy wives were working up a big gala about. Of course, they were making a big deal that the athletes themselves would be there, getting all kinds of donations.... For A Day Shelter!

With all the money changing hands for this charade, they could have been putting together a sizeable fund to actually CREATE HOUSING.

But, they would rather have a do where they can be in the spotlight, and keep women and their childrenn in a damned shelter!

:nuke:

It is all sooooo damned crazy!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:33 PM
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24. Insanity!! Band-aids on cut artery...
We need surgery to stop the gutting of human needs in this country!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:45 PM
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27. And it is all in the service of VANITY.
How to get through to these airheads the destruction of real-live people they are promoting?

Money down the toilet, and human suffering promoted.

:nuke:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:31 PM
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34. Amen.
:grr:
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:28 AM
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39. I know that some will never donate
without a spotlight on their actions. I've never understood this behavior. Instead of spending all the money on a gala why can't they just donate that amount to their cause of choice, whether it be day centers or cancer research or what-have-you?

In the end it's all about projecting an image.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:39 PM
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64. Its not about "donating"..... charity isn't solving anything, it just keeps it going.
Its about creating adequate housing for everyone, and these are certainly people who have the means to do that. They could be setting the example.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:25 AM
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38. It would be a great comment about the real state of the union
if protesters would do this. Of course I do not see this happening.

OTOH, my church's youth group does a project like this every year. They sleep outside for the weekend, on the ground with only a couple of blankets and some plastic or cardboard between them and the ground. They do this exercise every spring to remind them that there are others less fortunate and that they should be part of the solution. (In the fall they do a similar activity but it deals with hunger. They go for 30 hours without eating. Both are brainstorming activities to make them think about solutions.)

As to the movie Winter's Bone-I watched it. It's about excruciating poverty in the Ozarks and about what meth can do to the community. I went to school with people who grew up like this and while some scenes were a bit much the squirrel skinning scene was, unfortunately, quite realistic for that region. A movie of that nature that really throws poverty in everyone's face will never win. I've heard far too many complaints about how much they hated it and how unrealistic it was. It's quite sad to realize that for some it's all too true, minus the missing dad plot.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:02 AM
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53. + 1000 They prefer all homeless remain invisible, that they die quietly.
I must say I am very impressed the way the Democratic party has addressed this ever growing epidemic with bold initiatives to fight poverty, more funds for food and housing and so much opportunity now for us to feel a sense of worth and believing, even knowing that our Dems will never let our plight go without a spotlight on it for all citizens to see and react with the generosity only found in our party is enough to bring hope out of the nothingness that is not knowing how long one has left to live or how long it will take to starve or freeze to death!!.

AND THEN I WOKE UP AND DISCOVERED THAT THEY WISH TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE SIMPLY TO PLEASE THE WEALTHY!!!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:42 PM
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65. I was wondering what alternate reality you were in! Sad, that what you outline COULD be the
reality, if they just chose to make it so.

What is really pathetic, is that putting money into all those things has been shown to COME BACK TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY many times over!

Ignorance and hatefulness!
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:44 PM
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4. k&r
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:47 PM
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5. Homes not handcuffs...
being homeless is not a crime for the person who happens to not have a home...it is a huge crime for those who refuse to fight this symptom of a very sick system...lack of housing is the major cause of homelessness, demand housing for all!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:49 PM
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7. Mary, why can't there be 82,000 in the streets of LA on oscar night, protesting the lack of housing
and DEMANDING there BE that housing??!

WHY?

If unions can gather togethr that many people for themselves, WHY in god's name can't this be done for homeless people?????
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:52 PM
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10. cross-posting Bobbie!!
great minds!! ;) :fistbump:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:48 PM
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6. K&R
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:49 PM
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8. During the 6 hours of pre & Oscar time the US military will spend ??????? nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:15 PM
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16. About $100,000,000
or there abouts... 15 to 17 million per hour for the wars... http://www.costofwar.com

and folks have no housing...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:16 PM
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17. And continually focusing on the military, as we have done for a decade now, doesn't change anything.
Except the subject at hand.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:20 PM
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19. Comparing priorities, war is more valuable than housing...
Edited on Sat Feb-26-11 10:22 PM by maryf
in this country, that's why they spend so much on it...there's a profit to be made there...

A huge reason for the razing and loss of affordable housing is that it makes no profit...

We have to demand that people's needs supersede anyone's profit margins!! Housing for everyone now!
Need not Greed!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:24 PM
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21. As I said, continuing to say all this stuff over and over changes nothing.
and, as I posted today, there IS "profit" in low-income housing.

It not only returns millions to the local economy, but it creates a lot of jobs.

THAT is what we should be organizing to get through to the American people, not this continuing to say the same things about the military, and getting nowhere.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:31 PM
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23. OH there is a lot of value in low-income housing
and an excellent return... value and profit aren't the same thing exactly...profit goes into pockets, value expands elsewhere...

but the military budget is 58% of the federal budget, and rises every year...and it takes from so many social programs, including housing...notice that they cut many programs each year but the military hardly ever, and what are they cutting for??? to keep funds going to the profitable military...

We do need to protest and demand housing and human needs be met! Maybe if we all did they'd have to cut into the military budget, instead of the social programs!...
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:55 PM
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12. LA attracts more homeless because the weather is nice
Not too many homeless hanging on the streets of Fargo ND.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 09:56 PM
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13. The point being?
nt
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:51 PM
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35. I'm explaining why LA is the "epicenter for homelessness"
And why the homeless that are out on the streets in LA. It has nothing to do with hollywood.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:29 PM
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22. Surely population density has nothing to do with it either...
You make it sound like Los Angeles is a "desination" city for homeless citizens.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:37 PM
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25. Which makes it easier to dismiss and forget about.
Yup, tons of compassion here.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:06 AM
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54. Typical unfortunately
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:37 PM
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26. Nope not in the streets maybe...
but there must be homeless as Fargo has these programs listed for homeless people, definitely not the best solution, but would think this indicates a definite homeless population:

http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/CityInfo/Departments/PlanningandDevelopment/Homelessness/HomelessNow/

Homeless Now? Resources to Help
Emergency Shelter

* Churches United for the Homeless, 218-236-0372
For Men, Women, and Families
* Dorothy Day House of Hospitality, 218-233-5763
For Men Only
* Gladys Ray Shelter, 701-364-0116
For Men and Women
* New Life Center, 701-235-4453
For Men Only
* YWCA, 701-232-3449
For Women and Children

Food - Meals

* Churches United for the Homeless, 218-236-0372
Meals Served:
7:00 am Monday-Friday
12:00 pm (Noon) Monday-Friday
6:00 pm Monday-Sunday
10:00 am Brunch Saturday and Sunday
* New Life Center, 701-235-4453
Meals Served:
7:00 am Monday-Friday
12:00 pm (Noon) Monday-Friday
5:00 pm Monday-Friday
7:00 am Saturday and Sunday
12:00 pm (Noon) Saturday and Sunday
4:30 pm Saturday and Sunday
* Salvation Army, 701-232-5565
Meals Served:
8:00 am Monday-Friday
11:30 am Monday-Friday
11:30 am -12:30 pm Saturday
5:00 pm-6:00 pm Sunday

Food Baskets

* Churches United for the Homeless, 218-236-0372
3:00 pm-4:00 pm Wednesday
* Dorothy Day House of Hospitality Food Pantry, 218-790-1048
7:00 pm -8:00 pm
* Emergency Food Pantry, 701-237-9337
* Salvation Army, 701-232-5565
9:00 am- 12:00 pm Monday-Friday
1:00 pm-4:00 pm Monday-Friday
4:00 pm-5:00 pm Wednesday
* YWCA Cass-Clay Shelter, 701-232-3449
4:30 pm-6:00 pm Monday-Friday

Clothing

* St. Vincent DePaul, 701-235-5944
* New Life Center, 701-235-4453

Health care

* Homeless Health Service, 701-298-9245
8:30 am-12:30 pm Monday-Friday
* Family HealthCare Center, 701-239-7111
* Migrant Health Services, Inc., 218-236-6502 or 800-842-8693 (Toll Free)
* VA Medical Center, 701-239-3700
Veterans Benefit Division, 800-827-4313 (Toll Free)

Veteran Services

* VA Medical Center, 701-239-3700, ext 3150

Employment

* Work Scholarships (FM Coalition for Homeless Persons), 701-232-3449
* ND Job Service (Unemployment Insurance, Job Search), 701-235-5944

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:49 PM
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29. !!!!!!
:applause:

Just because we are kept invisible, or hide ourselves for safety, doesn't mean we don't exist!

Thanks for handing out the proof, Mary! Great job!

Looks like Fargo needs some low-income housing... got that, Big Ed? Where are YOU on this, huh???
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:48 PM
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28. Do you begrudge poor people the sun or have you some other point?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:50 PM
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30. !!
:applause:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:59 PM
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33. Jesus Jumping Christ on a pogo stick, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Apparently, patience is about all you learned.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:52 PM
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36. I'm just explaining why there are homeless on the streets of LA
more than most American cities. Weather has a lot to do with it.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:51 AM
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40. So let me see if I follow your logic here....
You believe that the homeless are choosing where they're going to be homeless based on the weather, and they have the means to move somewhere warm if they're homeless in a cold city? Some homeless guy in Fargo (yes, they exist, as shown above in another response to you) is sitting in an alley, in a box, and he just ups and decides, "Hey, I could be homeless in L.A.!" then hops on the first train/plane/auto and heads on out there?

Am I with you so far?


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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:31 AM
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46. There might be some of that
But what I'm saying is that there are homeless in LA that could go to a shelter, but choose to hang outside on the street because the weather is ok. Not too many homeless hanging on the street in Fargo right now.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:45 AM
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47. With that many homeless you don't think the shelters are full?
There's not even close to enough shelters to house all these people. We have 2 shelters in my city (of around 50,000 people). It's a total of about 12 beds. And it's the middle of Winter here in North Central Mass, it's snowing tonight, and there's still plenty of homeless people "hanging out on the street" here. They have nowhere to go.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:59 PM
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68. So you bellieve that shelters should now be permanent housing?
Is that how you want your mother to live....? Bouncing from shelter to shelter the rest of her life, with no place to be during the day, trying to sleep in a warehouse of bunks of women, up all night, coughing, etc?

Thhis is what you believe to be the right answer to the need for housing?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:59 PM
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86. I used to work for a shelter.
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 05:02 PM by JDPriestly
People need long-term housing. Transitional housing only helps people if they move from the transitional housing to long-term housing.

I have a friend who was homeless for a number of years. Finally, she qualified for a housing voucher. It changed her life. If you knew her before and met her now, you would not recognize her. Having her own place to live changed her completely. Her hair looks great. She buys second-hand clothes but dresses more elegantly than I do.

Just having your own place to live makes you a real person.

If you doubt this, try moving in with your parents or some other family member for a couple of years. Your entire personality will change -- and most likely not for the better.

In Los Angeles, many nonprofits try to buy old hotels to make into single room occupancy, often sober-living, housing. It's a great plan, but the downtown area has been gentrified in recent years, and it is getting harder to find appropriate buildings for the longer-term housing.

Another impediment to providing long-term housing for homeless people is the cost of the renovations of run-down properties into appropriate housing. You can't just provide rooms. You need bathrooms, cooking facilities, elevators, and of course the old buildings have to be renovated to meet modern codes and Americans with Disability Act standards.

Single room occupancy housing is enough for many of the homeless people. But there are enough (and probably also enough in the non-homeless population) that need other services like medical care, sober living counseling, mental health counseling, job counseling. And providing those services for people who have no incomes, no money, is pretty challenging.

Charities like to give money to projects that deal with health issues or feed people in foreign countries or help children. It is hard to raise money for adults who cannot take care of themselves often simply because they have fallen off the grid. (Trust me on this. I used to do the fundraising. I totally burned out.)

The percentage of people within the homeless population needing these social and medical services may be somewhat larger than that within the non-homeless population, but the difference is probably less than you would think.

Most people are homeless through no fault of their own although a share of homeless people abuse substances or have serious criminal backgrounds.

The most common cause for homelessness is lack of money. It is more unusual to find the child of a millionaire or even just a professional person on Skid Row than it is to find the children of impoverished parents (although anyone can become homeless).

Temporary shelters are not a solution for homelessness. They are depressing and can be dangerous. That is why homeless people sometimes refuse to go to them. In addition, shelters have a lot of rules, and I mean a lot of rules -- curfews, rules about who sleeps where, rules about what you can take in with you, rules about getting along with others. These rules don't sound unreasonable, but as adults, we don't enforce these rules against ourselves in our homes. It is demeaning to require adults to live under such circumstances.

We have lots of empty housing in Los Angeles right now. There is no excuse for the extent of the homelessness in our city.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 09:02 PM
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98. eye fucking yeye eye eye!
WTF!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 09:26 PM
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101. Actually some of the people I have worked with who are homeless DO
choose to migrate to warmer climates just to be able to live in their cars or in public parks. SO its really not such an unheard of phenomena. However I could be wrong but I bleive that NY has the largest # of homeless shelters based on population and density.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:26 PM
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102. If you have 3 million homeless people in the couttry because of a lack of low-income
housing, does it matter what parts of the country they are in?

Isn't it the logical thing to do to get busy and create the needed housing, rather than debating WHERE they are?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 08:08 PM
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95. I Understand What You Seem To Be Saying, HOWEVER I Live In Florida
and it's called the SUNSHINE STATE! It was at LEAST 80 today and the beaches were packed! But, there are some very horrid, hard laws around my neck of the woods regarding homeless people. They enforce laws against homeless people like they do heroin addicts!

So, the weather might factor in, but that would mean that other warmer climates would have the same stats. We don't down here, but that doesn't mean many, many aren't suffering! It is pretty awful how they treat people of minimal means here!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 10:13 AM
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111. Very small example of how homeless people are treated....
Edited on Mon Feb-28-11 10:15 AM by bobbolink


And one from Orlando

This brings back memories of stuff like this:






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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:56 AM
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43. Pssssssst . . .
. . . Friedmanite . . .
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:34 AM
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49. LOL
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:14 PM
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82. Really?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:12 AM
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44. Well, yeah...the weather is usually nice compared with Fargo ND,
but all that means in practice is that it's possible to sleep outside MOST nights without freezing to death. And here in San Bernardino County where I live, and in the inland parts of L.A. County, the summer heat can be as much of a problem as the cold. It can get over 100 degrees every day for a week or more in the summers. As I indicated in my long post downthread, it's absolutely brutal on fair-skinned Caucasian types. I have seen homeless people with horrible sunburns, the result no doubt of falling asleep in the sun. I understand why they do that (it's safer to sleep in the daytime), but sunburn is a documented cancer risk.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:02 PM
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69. Thank you for talking about the heat... the obvious that escapes most people.
It is unbelievable that after all these years, people can't (or, more likely WON'T) see the obvious... that there is a ridiculous lack of housing in the richest c0untry in the world, and that could be solved if people gave a damn.

:nuke:
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:53 PM
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67. "so this (chuckling) is working out very well for them"
Barbara? Is that you?
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:24 PM
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70. I'm trying to explain why LA is the "mecca" of homelessness
and why such a large percentage choose to live outside and on the streets. Weather is a huge factor. Secondly, I didn't make ANY judgement about the problem... you read something that wasn't there.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:08 PM
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72. So, you really don' t think that a severe housing shortage has anything to do with it?
You just believe that people LIKE to camp out on the streets?

It seems like MANY people got what you were saying, so maybe it is time to rethink your assumptions on a more humane level.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:56 PM
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31. K&R What a crappy country this is. Greedy and cruel and downright selfish.
x(


Oh and self-congratulation is right = the Oscars. :puke:
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browntyphoon Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:09 AM
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37. You could always invite some homeless into your home.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:35 AM
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50. So could you.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:09 PM
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73. Or,,,,,, here's an idea... You. Could. Work, For, Housing. For. All.
Gee, what a concept.....
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:51 PM
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93. It is exactly what you get when you put in place an economic system that
is based on greed and cruelty.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:59 PM
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32. K&R (nt)
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:53 AM
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41. K & R - I've seen Skid Row, and it's an absolute disgrace!
I was in my teens when I first saw it in the 1960s, and it was bad then. But when I last saw it 2003 I was totally shocked because the number of homeless people seemed to have increased tenfold. There was this entire parking lot full of tents--I had NEVER seen anything like that before. I imagine it's even worse now.

In the "nice" or rehabilitated parts of town, all the efforts seemed to be directed towards keeping the homeless invisible, confined to the more rundown areas like this parking lot and the area directly across the street from it. And this was just a few blocks away from the renewed areas near the Metrolink station, so elegant and civilized, where you can sit in air-conditioned comfort drinking your cappucino.

And then only a few blocks away there are entire blocks of human misery, blocks of people sitting on the retaining walls with their sleeping bags and shopping carts next to them, unable to get out of the hot sun. Here in SoCal I can almost always tell a homeless person (if Caucasian) by the fact that their skin is leathery and sunburned. But the majority of the homeless people I saw on Skid Row were black, just like the article says. Very few were Hispanic, and I wondered about that considering the city's demographic.

I haven't finished reading the article yet--only the part that's been posted here. I can't understand why Los Angeles still hasn't been able to come up with an actual CURE for homelessness in all this time. The approach hasn't even reached the level of treating the symptoms. It is purely COSMETIC--get the homeless out of the sight of the commuters, shoppers and tourists by any means necessary. Absolutely heartbreaking and disgraceful.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:44 AM
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60. Interesting observation that few Hispanics among visible homeless
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 10:45 AM by mainer
I hadn't thought about that, but it does seem to be what I noticed as well. Especially odd since they make up such a large percentage of the population. And you never see Asian homeless, either.

Either the Hispanic homeless gather in different places, or they have families who will take them in.

Perhaps a large part of the homeless you see in those areas are people who've cut ties to family -- or whose families have cut ties to them.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:10 PM
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74. The fact of the matter is that you don't "see" MOST of the homeless population.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 11:16 PM
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105. that huge increase you saw was Raygun's cutting of low-income housing.
People still can't grasp the fact that people are HOMELESS BECAUSE OF LACK OF HOUSING.

That should be a simple fact to understand, but it has been carefully orchestrated to blame homeless people themselves for the epidemic. Unless all of you get very active in this, the misery will continue.

And why there are concentrations.... many cities simply put homeless people on a bus with a one-way ticket. That is the "solution", and you can be sure that SCAL is one of the ocmmon destinations.

I have a friend in Hawai`i who has told me that many cities send their homeless people to Hawai`i!

As I said, unless and until all of you start understanding the true causees and start having big demonstrations like for the unions, all of this will continue and will keep getting worse.

If all of you can show that much support for unions, you can show a determination to end homelessness.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:55 AM
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42. Just an aside..in Winter's Bone, the father didn't abandon his family..spoiler















He was murdered.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:23 AM
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45. Hoiw many more of us will be homeless before there is an uprising in America?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:59 AM
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48. The Oscars does not create homelessness. The film industry = UNION JOBS
We in L.A. have a huge homeless population every day, not just Oscar night. The Academy Awards is a great booster for one of the last American industries that makes a product people buy world wide, and one that pays its people well.

You might think of the stars attending the awards but believe me upstairs there are the craftspeople behind the scenes who have worked hard at their craft to be an Academy member, who are NOT rich or famous. Case in point: my husband and I will be up in the cheap seats tomorrow!

Also many people in the film industry are huge supporters of liberal causes and Democrats. So I don't really like this implication of "Oscars are bad because there are poor and homeless people."
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:11 PM
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75. Let us know when unions decide to get active in solving the homelessness epidemic.
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 02:12 PM by bobbolink
It is off-topic for you to come here on a thread about homelessness and talk about UNIONS. There is an overwelming number of those threads, and you can discuss it there.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 03:16 PM
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76. The Oscars is just a booster for the film industry
I don't understand why this event is somehow connected with the homeless epidemic.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:08 AM
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51. So the issue is Fargo versus LA?
Either the homeless in LA for the weather, or had the funds but decided to blow them and come here...Or the homeless prefer to stay in frozen Fargo cuz there's a bunch of nice organizations there ---- NOW WE CAN JUST MOVE ON. Individual preferences either way.

The issue is NOT whether the USA's social and economic matrix is working. Are there enough jobs, low priced housing and medical, mental and social services. We're fine. Today.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:47 AM
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52. What does the film industry and the Oscars have to do with homelessness?
Not that I disagree with the article but please.
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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 09:32 AM
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55. burrito project
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 03:52 PM
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:24 AM
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56. I, for one, will be watching and enjoying the Oscars tonight
Is everyone who enjoys Oscars part of the problem? Maybe some of us just want to sit back and watch a little eye candy without feeling guilty about something every single minute of the day.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 11:04 AM
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61. Actually yes, it is part of the problem, human empathy might be in order but your callousness
proves that as long as the "eye candy" and other sparkly things interferes with ones ability to recognise the problem and actually care what is happening to your fellow human beings then it is a very serious problem.

It is why people die that do not need to in this culture, in more civilized cultures they are noticed , people actually "feel things" and are moved to solve the problem, or at least try.

You will understand when you are cold, hungry and worried about your survival, after all, yours is the only human life that matters, is it not?
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 11:07 AM
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62.  No laughing allowed. Guilt, guilt, guilt.
Forgive me if I, just once in a while, want to be able to enjoy the sight of a few nice evening gowns without being screeched at all the time about how selfish I am for enjoying myself.

There is nothing wrong with indulging in some entertainment.

Do you ever go to movies? Read the funny pages? Laugh at a comedian? Then bad, bad you. For not focusing on the ills of the world 24 hours a day.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 11:47 AM
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63. Actually I am in an unheated apt. awaiting eviction, so perhaps I am bad
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:04 PM
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80. I'm sure that will get a compassionate response.
NOT.

:hug:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 06:24 AM
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109. for you
:hug:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 01:45 AM
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107. OMG, if fun and glamour were against the law tomorrow
It wouldn't help get one homeless person off the streets! These films were great this year, why not celebrate them? Can nobody have ANY kind of party because there are homeless people?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:31 AM
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57. It seems to me that the "Homes not Handcuffs" organization
is more helpful and more safe for everyone...
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:32 AM
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58. Let the rich enjoy their Oscar show. I cannot watch it because
all I can think about is how so many Americans are suffering with so little. Where are the movie stars at the union rallies? They got theirs and too bad for us.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:37 AM
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59. Average actor lives on peanuts
While DU rails at all the "rich actors," the truth is, most actors barely make a living.

You might as well rail away at all the rich chefs and rich musicians. Because as we know, they're ALL raking it in like Bobby Flay and Bono.

p.s. the film industry supports hundreds of thousands of union jobs.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 03:54 PM
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 10:59 PM
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103. They do support Union jobs, but this is a thread about the homeless issue
Don't you have any thoughts that are on topic?
We would like to hear them.

Unions are topics in many threads and are not being ignored, The homeless so seldom get discussed and it would be nice if those threads were not diverted.

Thanks for understanding.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 01:43 AM
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106. THANK YOU!!
If it wasn't for the unions nobody in that industry would have healthcare because you go from project to project. Not only actors but everybody in that industry lives project to project and it's a full time job pounding the pavement looking for work in between, believe it!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 11:15 AM
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114. This is true
Come to LA and that waiter, bartender... their probably also in the entertainment industry. Most actors do not make enough from acting to live on, yet alone be called rich. These aren't no talent hacks either. These are good solid actors. There just aren't the roles for character actors and the such there use to be in hollywood anymore. In acting you seem to have your rich and your poor. The acting middle class is not very large at all.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:44 PM
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66. Kick...
:mad:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:25 PM
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71. Time to boycott these obscene displays of wealth until
something is done for the most vulnerable people in this society.

Disgusting amounts of money spent on these events while people starve. Could they at least not include some kind of initiative to start building affordable homes for the homeless? At least put it to some good use.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:26 PM
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85. they could do both. it's not one or the other and many non wealthy people benefit from these events
i use to work in studio city a few years ago during the writers strike and many small businesses were hurting at the time.

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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 01:47 AM
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108. YEP!!
This event is a huge shot in the arm for so many workers, not only the day of but the weeks leading up to it. I cannot fathom why anybody would be better off without it!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:07 PM
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81. I haven't watched the Oscars in years.
I watch a movie now and then, but don't care a whit about these awards. I suppose it'll be in the newspaper tomorrow, but I won't read that either.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:19 PM
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84. ACtually, the OP isn't about what you watch. Its about the disconnect between the USian glitteratti
and the 82,000 people who are living on the streets right around this show of priviledge.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:07 PM
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87. A disgusting display of that disconnect here:
Oscars 2011: Even the Losers Get $75,000-plus in Swag Bag

http://www.hollywoodtoday.net/2011/02/27/oscars-2011-even-the-losers-get-75000-plus-in-swag-bag/

snip...

HOLLYWOOD, CA (Hollywood Today) 2/27/11 – You don’t have to bring home the gold to win at the Oscars. The losing nominees will get a gift bag worth more than $75,000 (perhaps much more) in a swag bag titled “Everybody Wins at the Oscars.”

The bags are delivered the next day so nominees don’t have to carry the booty around at the Academy Awards and parties and will make even losing more bearable to these saddened souls. We are not sure which of the following items are delivered separately, but the basic package contains most of the following:

The losing stars will have no shortage of places to go to drown their sorrows. They will get a $12,000 Belize getaway in Cayo Espanto — a private island, a $5,000 all-inclusive week-long fitness retreat from Live In Fitness Enterprise and a $16,000 all-inclusive getaway to Huvafen Fushi luxury resort in the Maldives compliments of Premier Tours. They can entertain themselves with their new Motorola Zoom Tablet.

The winners get a secret bag that has been as hard to track down as UK urban street artist Banksy. It is worth twice the price to reportedly include 21 stays, three nights each, at a luxury hotel, according to LA Weekly. A $151,200 value, though we could not confirm this one. If so, it raises the value of the package to nearly a quarter of a million dollars.

~~~More at link, if you can stand it.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 08:59 PM
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97. them that gots, gets. Yet, I am being "irrational" for saying all this shit is crap. and that
we need to look at the situation for the evil it is.

Robert Kennedy said something about this sort of thing being evil, and I wish I had the exact quote at hand.

We have become so desensitized to all of this, and it is soul-killing to those who are on the bottom rungs of the ladder.

Thnnk you for understanding it. I'm so sick of being called names for seeing this crap for what it is.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:17 PM
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83. Not watching the Oscars again, really don't care
for self-congratulatory adulation. They live in a bubble which doesn't include people like me.
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JonathanBrowne Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:41 PM
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88. The reason for this is simple
The reason so many people are homeless in LA and generally throughout California is because homeless people around the entire country travel to california to be homeless, for numerous reasons.

1. The climate makes it much better. Try being homeless in new england. lol.

2. In San Fransico for instance, their are numerous programs for the homeless including a massive soup kitchen that gives out free complete meals twice a day in the tenderloin and for instance on haight st there is a youth program where street kids can come in and watch movies, eat free food, and hang out.

Also their are programs that work with the city to write off tickets and the like for homeless or people living in their cars etc.

Also, if you get caught in say a tent, sleeping in the park, they don't throw you in jail. Instead, it's something people hope happens because relief workers will come down and set you up in a free room, consuling etc for like 6 months at LEAST.

They also have free health clinics with showers and laundry.

I'm sure LA doesn't have the kind of programs san fran does but a lot of people choose to go there if they are homeless because it's fairly easy to beg for money and make a significant amount every day (sometimes hundreds, i'm dead serious) and it's warm enough where it's really not uncomfortable at all to be homeless except the lack of showers lol.

I know this because I traveled across the country for about 6 months in a car with no money just flying a sign at stoplights and I made enough money to feed myself and my friend, buy ciggeretes, and buy food and keep traveling for months.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:43 PM
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89. Rec'd. Shameful. For SHAME! Stop the wars NOW & take care of our ppl! n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 09:20 PM
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99. Thank you, Catherina! It is bad to attack your own people and it is also bad to IGNORE your peopl
literally to DEATH.

It is beyond Shame.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:30 PM
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90. An annoying minor technicality to many of those involved in the Oscars.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:33 PM
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91. K&R
"I don't understand why we have to pay to live on the planet we were born on. I mean it's such a simple question. But can anyone answer that? Why does anyone have to pay to live on the planet they were born on? Ask yourself that question. And who are we actually paying for the privilege to live here? Who decided this? Who made "them" the boss? Who put "them" in-charge?" ~Alex Collier
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:49 PM
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92. True, May they all find a safe, comfortable place
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 07:49 PM by Taverner
Without harassment.

Downtown LA on the highway hills was the highest concentration I saw last time I was there.

May they find safety
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:59 PM
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94. Kicked&Recommended...
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 08:23 PM
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96. Oscars are about the subsidized elite pretending to be something they aren't
I could never understand the infatuation that regular Americans have with Hollywood and celebrity. At the heart of it are impoverished Americans living vicariously through others of fantasy means.

Most of Hollywood are vastly overpaid with our subsidized tax dollars just like pro sports. Our politicians have discovered that they can get rich too if they spend other people's money to subsidize wealthy Hollywood money to make movies and money in their state, just like building sports stadiums for the Yankees.

It's now about the same rich people sucking on a poorer American society at large, most of which contribute nothing to the greater good except to pretend.

Why are the richest and best paid employees in the USA, typically those with the least tangible ability to produce and design real worthwhile products and instead those with connections who do the least productive work for society?
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 09:24 PM
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100. Here is someone destorying the "homeless myth"
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 11:07 PM
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104. Does that mean that I get to be an actual exciting mythic figure? Yeah for me and
and all those other mythic figures dying heroic deaths!

Silly me, I thought that drug addiction was a seperate issue that afflicted the homeless and wealthy alike.
I did not know that we all just need to stop taking all those drugs (a very difficult task when you are not a user)
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 06:28 AM
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110. Yep, the percentage of substance abusers and mentally ill is about the same
for all, homeless or not. (might be a little lower in the homeless population) To be homeless as well is a tragic double whammy, but to be homeless and assumed to be an abuser or mentally ill is another double whammy that at least 75% of the homeless have to deal with.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 10:20 AM
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113. Thank you, Mary. I no longer believe it is possible to teach the actual facts to most here.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 10:19 AM
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112. You're just not paying attention. Remember, it is DRUGS that is causing the "rebellion" in Libya.
MOUNTAINS of drugs.

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