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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:42 PM
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WI State Troopers
Heard on the news that Walker is sending the State Troopers after the Dems in Illinois. Granted, my knowledge is based on Virginia law, but how the hell can it be legal to send Troopers after citizens who have committed NO crime? Also, once the Troopers cross the border into another state, they have no jurisdiction - with no crime, there can be no "hot pursuit"!!!!! Anyone else confused about this?
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:43 PM
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1. as far as I have heard CREW is demanding an investigation
into the misuse of the state troopers in this way.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:44 PM
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2. I understand they'll be wearing the new uniforms when they go.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:51 PM
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5. Inappropriate to the max.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:01 PM
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14. Some of you need to grow a pair
where is your sense of humor? are you Gov. Walker? if so don't you have a job to do.

Koch brothers are looking for you.

Gosh.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:12 PM
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17. Incredibly insensitive comment.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:35 PM
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22. Incredibly insecure person. n/t
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 10:16 PM
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23. Congratulations, you both made it to the same level of decency as GLEN BECK. n/t
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:21 AM
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24. And congratulations to you for your suppressive thinking
which is 'we must not do anything to anger the masters on the right'.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:59 PM
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9. oww SS Major Walker of the Union Busting regime
subordinate of Field Marshall Koch.
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kudzu22 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:46 PM
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3. Well, that will be interesting n/t
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:50 PM
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4. Because the state constitution says they can "compel" our attendance
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 06:51 PM by FBaggins
And the police are how the government executes "compel"

That's why our guys are out of state... Beyond the jurisdiction of state police.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:53 PM
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7. OK, but..................
that still doesn't excuse law officers of one state from crossing into the jurisdiction of another state. If they can "legally" compel, then why wouldn't they (Troopers) have to enlist the process of extradition, as in criminals being compelled to return to the state where the crime was committed?
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:01 PM
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12. The only way they can go after someone out-of-state
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 07:03 PM by FBaggins
Is with the agreement of that state's authorities.

Which is why they (and the IN legislators) selected Illinois... Run by Democrats.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:01 PM
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13. The lawmakers might as well be in Canada, because there's no jurisdiction.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:08 PM
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16. Unless the state extends them that authority.
That's why they chose a democratic state.

It would be great for the IL senators to go to IN (and visa-versa)... Arguing for each other as part ofthe protests... But the local authorities would coordinate with each other.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:16 PM
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19. Well, politics is certainly a whole nutter issue.
If they were in Ohio, Kasich would probably have the Ohio State Police arrest and detain the lawmakers--although since Ohio cops are "idiots" they might not go along for the ride.
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:53 PM
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6. I understood the troopers went to the lawmaker's homes
There may be provisions in the law for this. The Guv would be the head of state law enforcement and can order them to conduct tasks.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 06:58 PM
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8. The troopers didn't go over to Illinios, they did not cross state lines
the troopers went to the state senator's homes in Wisconsin to see if they were there during during the night time coming back from Illinois to sleep in their homes.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:00 PM
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10. Thanks....,
the news media did not make that distinction.
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Mac Adams Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:25 PM
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21. It's a political stunt
That's all it is. I think it's back firing on Walker because everyone and the kitchen sink know they are in Illinois. It makes Walker look even more like an idiot.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:00 PM
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11. I'm not an attorney, on TV or in real life, but here is my two cents from what I know.
A municipal or county police officer likely has all the same police powers anywhere within the state where they are employed as a police officer, except on federal property. However, once a municipal, county, or state police officer police officer leaves that state, they become a private citizen unless they are on official police business. Pursuit of a suspect for a serious crime or prisoner transfer is about it in terms of police operating as police officers across state lines.

Without a warrant, even in Wisconsin, I would think that state troopers physically taking legislators, some of whom might be lawyers or know very good lawyers, into custody would be a very unlikely event.

Across state lines? No warrant? No allegation of a crime? I suspect the Illinois state police would say don't even think about putting a hand on a person in Illinois who is accused of no crime and for which no arrest warrant has been issued.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:03 PM
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15. Based on the story we heard on TV,
This is exactly what my husband (cop) and I (Constitutional expert) thought.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:14 PM
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18. Prior to passage of HR218 in 2004 ...
... cops relied upon a mishmash of sometimes confusing state laws to determine if they could even carry a gun across state lines.

In most states, if you were a cop and on official business, you could carry a gun across state lines. However, Washington (until the mid 90s I think) and North Carolina were two states that did not allow even a uniformed cop on official business from another state to carry a gun.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:17 PM
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20. Invite them in for a beer, thank them for their support, and decline
their offer of a free ride home.
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