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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:45 PM
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Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 12:18 AM EST
Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
by sboucher

A friend on facebook shared this with me, and it's a hoot. Read on.

Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do -- babysit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage.

That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and planning -- that equals 6-1/2 hours).

So each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.


That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6-1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher's salary (nationwide) is $50,000.

$50,000/180 days = $277.77 per day / 30 students = $9.25 / 6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student -- a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!)


Make a teacher smile; repost this to show appreciation for all educators.

Meredith Menden
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:59 PM
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1. That's not how minimum wage works.
I guess you'll be proposing that Obama is paid minimum wage ($7.75), presiding over 300 million people for 8 hours per day for about 250 days/year?


No, that's not how minimum wage earnings work.
Teachers make significantly more than any minimum wage employee ever could in a single year.
Average Teacher Salary: $50,000/yr
40hr/week minimum wage: $16,120/yr
80hr/week minimum wage: $40,300/yr (1.5X overtime pay)

Steve Balmer, CEO of Microsoft Corporation, has an annual salary of $1,267,670. Given that he presides over some 88,000 employees for 250 work days, are you upset he only makes $1,267,670? I mean, after all, by your logic his compensation is about 0.7 cents per hour. WAY less than minimum wage.

Heck, I guess my manager, (who has 30 employees under him) makes about $1.67/hr taking home only $100,000/year. Poor guy. :cry:

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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:13 PM
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2. but teachers are actually physically watching those 30 children as opposed to your examples.
and its a joke.

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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:22 PM
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3. Teachers are not minimum wage educated
My sister has a master's degree. I'd like for you to explain to her and her husband why she should make minimum wage, despite the fact that they lived in near poverty to both complete their degrees. He has a Master's in pathology and works at a hospital in the lab. I guess he doesn't deserve anything more than a McDonald's worker either, because he isn't "contributing to capitalism".

You have to be kidding me.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:36 PM
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4. no but I'm sick of highly paid education strategy.
We need true innovation in public education.

I've seen my teen go through 10+ years and I'm qualified to have an opinion on this :D

Let's face it... a 50 student classroom isn't always bad. College kids manage in 100 student classes.

SOME kids need more interaction with a teacher... SOME kids don't. SOME Kids don't WANT to learn and SOME kids have trouble learning.

Why can't schools look more carefully at the kids themselves? Who gives class assignments? Random, computer generated? Kids who require extra attention belong in one classroom environment, kids who don't WANT to learn belong in another environment and high drive students belong in another environment.

For example... BIOLOGY is a state required class for graduation. 80% of the kids in BIOLOGY will NEVER take another BIOLOGY class or have no desire to remember any of it for more than a semester. What's so bad about putting the kids who are taking BIOLOGY for a grad requirement into a 100 student auditorium with a classroom supervisor and automated teaching media?

Then take the kids who need BIOLOGY in the future and put them in a 20 student class with a high end experienced teacher? Accelerate the curriculum and the depth of study.

Right now you have 4.0 GPA kids sitting between two gangster wanna-be's in a lot of classes...
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 03:00 PM
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5. Smaller class sizes are always better for the student (Everything else equal)
We need true innovation in public education. I agree. The teachers should be given the lead on this (and the support/funding).

Automated teaching media? Seriously? How do you know which kids will need biology in the future? Did you ever consider that these special classes inspire children to choose specific careers?

Gangster wanna-bes? Theres always going to be some bad kids in school. It's the parent's job to raise their children correctly.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 04:26 PM
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6. Let's be realistic...
I would like to believe in the "Stand and Deliver" dream...

But let's be real. In some school districts there is a 50% dropout rate. No matter how much $$ you dump into the system or whatever... there will still be a 50% dropout rate.

Should the "dead-enders" be taking up valuable seat space in a class where kids who want to learn could be sitting? Not saying remove the kids from school, but change their learning experience to something that they're comfortable with.

Identify the kids who are biding time in school and identify the kids who are learning. Ask any teacher about this. They look into 30 sets of eyes in every class. 10 sets of eyes say "I couldn't give a rat's ass... when will the bell ring?" and another 10 sets of eyes might say "I never knew that before... hmmmm."

Annual testing, teachers observations... counseling with teachers and students are all ways you could route the kids in the right direction. If a kid wants consideration to transfer back to the other group it would only take a trip to the counselor office.
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