The time of compromising with the Right is over.

[white_wolf]

For too long the Left has compromised with the Republican and right wing elements in our party and it has severely weakened our principles. It may have allowed us to win a few elections but are those victories worth it if they do not advance our goals? Are they worth it if our leaders will not even fight for Medicare for all, are they worth it our leaders will not fight to oppose the Patriot Act, is it worth it if our leaders will not support the rights of gays, of unions, of the homeless and the poor? I say hell no! If you disagree with me that is fine its your right, but lets talk about it and maybe we can understand each other. The band Rise Against put it best "There is no compromise, no middle ground."

[defendandprotect]

1. Tell that to Obama ... cause I don't recall compromising with the right ... but he has!!

[white_wolf]

3. To be honest

I think the fact that him and Clinton were the most recent Democratic presidents is a direct result of our compromise. Let's be honest they would not have been Dems in the days of FDR,Kennedy, or Johnson.

[defendandprotect]

7. Agree ... but though I wasn't impressed by Obama, I voted for him because until

everyone else wakes up and we find "a place to go" -- there's no point in me or anyone else

trying to move on alone.

Let me know when this huge liberal voting bloc comes together to move -- I'll go with them!

Until then, I suggest we look for outsiders like Sen. Bernie Sanders and draft him for 2012 --

Run someone like Tom Hayden with him -- someone strongly anti-war --

We need the Dems we do respect to stand up to pick up this party and move it back where it

belongs!! Leaving the rest of it -- the millionaires and multi-millionaires and DLC'ers behind!!

[tpsbmam]

19. On most issues, he hasn't compromised. He's capitulated. Frankly, on some

of his moves, I think he's done what he always intended, despite what he promised when campaigning. Big talk about getting lobbyists out of Washington. During the health care debates, who did he invite in and who did he exclude? Invited in - lobbyists from insurance, private hospitals & big Pharma. Who did he exclude? All single payer advocates.

That pretty much tells me all I need to know.

[white_wolf]

20. True

Compromising isn't a strong enough term at all for what he has done.

[snappyturtle]

2. K&R Yes! nt

[leftstreet]

4. What motivation do Democrats have not to chase the Repubs to the right?

:shrug:

[white_wolf]

5. Recently?

not a damn thing, but that is why we must get organized and make it clear if they won't represent us than the Socialist party or the Green party will.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. None that make any sense if their goal is merely to keep their jobs.

Compassion, empathy, a desire to see all people happy and free of suffering--those are apparently luxuries that one casts overboard the moment the political seas turn rough.

[white_wolf]

24. Then we need to make it clear that

without our support they won't last long on the rough seas.

[davidpdx]

8. I agree with you in principal

But I do think it's important that we box them in and show how intolerant and extreme they are to the public. I have a feeling 2012 is going to find some gains for Democrats.

[cantbeserious]

9. Many Of Us Believe That The National Democrats Are So Truly Compromised

That a house cleaning is in order to achieve the sentiment expressed by the OP.

There are exceptions and sadly they do not exist in numbers sufficient to overcome the tidal wave of ignorance expressed by the Right Wing.

[midnight]

10. I agree...

[white_wolf]

11. You know what would possibly be a good start?

We need to target specific candidates to represent us in primaries against the conservadems. I for one would love to see Grayson make a return.

[emilyg]

12. Send it to the Prez.

[white_wolf]

13. Hell,

like he gives a damn what we think. He has thrown in his lot with the corporations and is being very well compensated for it. I fear we will have to look elsewhere for aid. As Elrond said "Our list of allies grows thin."

[Dappleganger]

14. The time for letting "democrats" who begged us for their vote but cater to republicans

get by with it by us (with us re-electing them time after time) needs to be OVER.

Republicans will always be republicans, but we need to stop rewarding the liberals in name only.

[sandyd921]

15. Sure hope so. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

16. been over for some time, but kept happening. ditto the phoney dems

who vote for every pub policy down the pike in the name of compromise.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

17. We're Finally On Our Own?

[white_wolf]

18. Hmm,

perhaps we should start focusing on specific goals that could help us out. I can think of that would be big helps. 1. Participatory elections. 2. Pubic funding of campaigns. If anyone needs an explanation of the first one just let me know, because it is rather obscure in the U.S.

[white_wolf]

21. I know there are elements in our party and even here

who will say we need to be moderate and centrist and work together and to that I'll let my favorite founder speak for me, that's right its Thomas Paine time again. "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."

[opihimoimoi]

22. In the End, The GOPers will lose the Support of their Base(GO4ers) as they develop remorse of their

efforts.....the candidates they thought were good happened to turn out the same ole GOPer Bullies of Old....except worse....as rookies, they blunder forth forgetting the People inclu their abase.

The GOPers should be ASHAMED

[robinlynne]

23. been over for years.