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If I was president, the Federal government would follow Wisconsin's lead, and encourage other states to do the same
I can't pass up lambasting him, so I fire the first missile.
thank god you're not president. would you sic the national guard on peaceful protestors the way that clown in WI is threatening?
Now, we all know Freepers never back down, so out he comes with this turd of wisdom!
No, with all-do respect to the National Guard, I prefer state troopers in full riot gear. Seriously, the people of Wisconsin voted the way they did because they are sick of the union running things. Frankly, I'm glad NC is a right-to-work state.
Unions running things? Hmmmm. . .someone's been listening to Beck too much. But, I want to be an ass, so I reply:
so much for the first amendment right to redress grievances. what other rights do you feel like destroying, Mr. President?
I bet you the 2nd amendment he wouldn't want taken away by the cops. So, he replies:
It's just to keep the peace. If they want to gather, fine, let them. But if they start picking fights and trying to disrupt the debate, then that's a crime. Now see, if they were arrested for gathering, that's a 1st amendment violation. But just putting the NG there is merely preventative. If anybody here is destroying rights, it's Obama and every other Democrat that passed the healthcare bill. Requiring prison time and fines for not having health insurance is tantamount to excessive fines/cruel and unusual punishment; it also violates the interstate commerce clause. Wow, and the Dems call themselves the "people's party".
Quick little jump back into his safety zone, then back with the accusations with little, if any, proof behind them. See how it works? Police to keep the peace at a peaceful protest? Anyway, I see the flaws in the argument and I reply:
actually, most bills like that are part of the ICC. 21 drinking age, Civil Rights Act, FMCSA, FDCPA, FDRA, NCLB. . .most were in compliance with the ICC. Since the HMOs and PPOs are interstate, then there is a compelling Federal case to use ICC.
Cruel/Unusual punishment was designed for torture. And your argument would be laughed out of court. It was with most other fines and teeth for Federal laws that passed.
{name redacted}, I don't know why you have strayed so far to the right, but you used to be able to talk to and have a rational discussion. Right now, I'm talking to a teabagger convinced of his own self-importance.
Finally. . .the protesters in WI are being peaceful. Full riot gear police would be used for intimidation, which is illegal to begin with. Other people used the police to intimidate protesters: Stalin, Hitler, Mugabe, Mubarak, Karimov and Kim come to mind. You would lump yourself in that category?
Thank God I left the States. This is not the country I was brought up to believe in. My country has changed and morphed into something I cannot recognize anymore. And it saddens and frightens me.
Rather logical argument. What these Freeper teabaggists want scares me to death! Here he comes back swinging:
Then how come a judge ruled it unconstitutional Aram? Seriously, can the government require people to buy health insurance (by the way, they are trying to tax and demonize the health insurance companies into bankruptcy, oh the irony)? Once it starts, where does it stop? Next thing you know, the government would be telling us what we can and can't eat (They're already starting in the public school system). I want to make those decisions on my own. Can a government that's two hundred miles away make better decisions for me than I can for myself? The answer is "fuck no". As for being called a teabagger, I'd rather be a teabagger that makes my own decisions, as opposed to a sheep that lets the government make his.
Thank you! There's the opening I was waiting for! The libertarian, Reagan argument that government can't make decisions better than me! Let me reply (clearing my throat). . .
. . .judges get over-ruled all the time. Remember Plessy V. Feruguson? Betts V. Brady
And, let's look at what you just said. "Can a government that's two hundred miles away make better decisions for me than I can for myself?" I would believe this would apply to all governments, not just Federal Government, because State government inhibit your freedom more than the Feds will ever do?
Does that apply to:
Speed limit laws: I can make the decision to drive 100. Why should the government 200 miles away make that decision for me?
DUI: I can make the decision to drive after 18 beers. I probably won't hurt anyone, but why should the government tell me I can't drive because of what might happen?
Abortion: I can make the decision with my body. Can a government that's two hundred miles away make better decisions for me than I can for myself?
Drugs: I can make the decision to put into my body whatever I would. It's my body. Can a government that's two hundred miles away make better decisions for me than I can for myself?
Pornography: I can make the decision to watch it or not. Can a government that's two hundred miles away make better decisions for me than I can for myself?
Gay Marriage: Does that also apply to gays getting married? You know, they can make their decision better than the government can 200 miles away! Should we allow the government to make their decision for them?
Your argument of "Can a government that's two hundred miles away make better decisions for me than I can for myself" is sophistry because you want the government dictating to you what you can and can't do on those things!
However, the answer is simple. ANARCHY!! Everyone is a free agent with nothing holding them in place.
BTW, I don't want my tax dollars (yes, I still pay US taxes overseas) going to your roads. I want the NC section of I40 to fall apart. I only want my money going to Arizona's section of I40. If you were a true libertarian (which you are not), you would agree.
I think that is game, set and match. He just opened the door to saying coming back saying "well, those must be regulated" which will blow his "I can make my decisions better than the government."
And these are the people who vote! Hooligans of the world unite. . .you have no one to burn except your intellectuals! These are the boobs that make our laws. . .it's a Democratic society! But, I just love playing with these clowns!
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