"We don't hate women. We think they are a holy vessel for God to breathe life!"

[Taverner]

I honestly heard someone tell me this when debating the whole 'family values' shit. I was arguing that the Repugs don't care for women or children once out of the womb.

I don't think I've ever heard such a sexist (and clueless) response.

Your thoughts?

[arbusto_baboso]

1. The proper response to give to someone who tells you that....

is to laugh uproariously, then say, "Funny thing is, that's exactly what the Taliban says, too."

[hlthe2b]

2. "holy vessel" like a friggin beer bottle...

that is the worth of women in the eyes of the American Rethuglican Taliban..


Note that they feel free to discard their "holy" beer bottles along the side of the road, the same as they would discard the lives of women....

[Taverner]

Exactly - as well as "god breathing life"

As if the women just stands there with God breathing life up her skirt...as if she has no part in this process...

[gratuitous]

23. Well, if she's a vessel, then she's not really a person

So, yeah, you treat her as you would any other vessel, and when her duty is done, turn her in for the deposit. Or recycling. Certainly don't elevate her to the status of full human being! That's reserved for the sex made in God's image.

Damn, I thought we'd settled this discussion back in the 1970s.

[Ghost Dog]

77. That's right. A vessel is merely a container for something much more important.

Ie. probably, as many trillions of sperm-cells these fascists can pump into it, whatever the consequences.

[hlthe2b]

26. If those poor women that adhere to this indoctrination...

ever wised up, they could totally eliminate the role of these degenerate misogynists in any role whatsoever. I would never suggest precluding the role of men in raising their children or even in the act of conception... but specifically among these RW Xians, I just might change my mind. Then let's see who the "mere vessel" might be.

[KansDem]

37. Yeah, I thought the same thing...

[Initech]

53. Ok now I seriously want to make a beer and call it "Holy Vessel". It would sell through the roof!!

[The Wielding Truth]

3. Handmaid's Tale.

[Taverner]

6. Yup nt

[sasha031]

17. yes, that is there vision for America

[LeftinOH]

55. Spot on. n/t

[JoePhilly]

4. Sorry, can't comment ... taking my daughter to a "Daddy daughter dance" tonight ...

And I need to pick out her clothes so she looks pretty, but not in a slutty way.

:puke:

[whathehell]

11. How old is your daughter,

if you don't mind my asking...?

The reason I ask, is that I understood these Daddy Daughter dances involved girls under the age of thirteen

and I can't imagine a girl younger than that having to worry about "looking slutty".:shrug:

[Taverner]

13. I think the responder is joking

At least I hope so :)

[seabeyond]

15. i am pretty sure of it, lol. nt

[JoePhilly]

19. I thought the puking Smiley gave the joke away ... guess not.

My daughters are 11 and 9, and the idea of treating them that way, or going to those dances, or some of the other chastity promises between daddy and daughter make me physically ill.

[seabeyond]

creepy, huh? to be so obsessed with daughter sexuality

sounds like it feeds unhealthy

[Taverner]

24. I noticed that looking back

My irony meter is a bit off this morning. sorry

and yes, my daughter is almost 5, and that would make me physically ill too.

For some reason, the fathers I picture doing that look like this:

[JoePhilly]

28. Bwahahaha!!! That's good!!! nt

[Shadowflash]

74. I take my 7 year old

To the father/daughter dance at her elementary school next week. It consists of the girls running around the gym playing and the fathers standing around talking and drinking pop. Once all these kids are together any thought of hanging out with dad goes right out the window.

There is nothing, at all perverted or sexual about it. If you think there is, maybe it's in your head and not the occasion itself.

[JoePhilly]

27. Sure ... my daughters are 11 and 9 ...

And my point is that if you want them to see "daddy" as the owner of their bodies, you have to start start young (thus my puke smiley).

As for the "slutty part", that was a joke ... but I will say that my 11 year old is about 5 foot 4, and she is developing early ... way way to early for my comfort. And when she puts on a one piece swim suit at the Y, she looks much older.

But she and I, and her mother, have already had the foundational talks. She has no problem talking to me about her period (I hide my discomfort when she does).

She and her sister will get to be their own women. Not that I could stop that ... their mother is not a woman who would stand still as the "vessel" for my sperm, nor would she ever sit on any "pedestal" that I tried to construct for her.

[whathehell]

36. Gotcha...n/t

[stockholmer]

29. just googled "Daddy Daughter Dance" and its worse than I thought

or perhaps I am really misundertanding this?

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2011/feb/03/fatherdaughter-dance-coming-gh-boys-girls-club/#ixzz1D1F4QEsf

"On Feb. 12, the Peninsula Athletic Association (PAA) will host its ninth annual Father/Daughter ball, an evening of splendor, delight and dancing.

“It’s a night for fathers to court their daughters with dancing they will treasure forever,” said Sandra Kern, PAA director.

She said that the couples will be dazzled when they see the decorated gym –– complete with a disco ball and DJ-piped music.

“We’ll have refreshments and punch and lots of flowers, prizes and photo possibilities,” Kern added."





sounds like those 'photo possibilties' would be illegal in most places, even here in Sweden :rofl:

[Matariki]

68. "court their daughters"? "the couples"?

and they see nothing wrong with that?

[tblue37]

69. "Court their daughters"? Eeewwwww! nt

[Occulus]

73. Throw them for a loop- dress her like Galactica's "Number Six"

:D

[eShirl]

5. that's as objectifying as referring to a man as a "life support system for a penis"

we are all so much more than our bodies' reproductive functions

[JoePhilly]

10. I'm pretty sure that one day, when women rule the world ...

Men will be used for manual labor, or kept on sperm farms.

I'm an average and I've seem the other guys at the gym. And I am amazed that 3/4 of these grunting chia pets are married.

At some point, women will decide that sex with a person who smells nice and has soft skin is way better, and when they do, we men are finished.

[May Hamm]

38. "life support system for a penis"

I like that.

[seabeyond]

7. virgin or whore.... certainly not a person. nt

[yellowcanine]

8. Big of them to note that women are good for breeding, don't you think?

Without the flowery language about holy vessels and all that of course.
But of course if it were put in language which everyone understands it would not make the speaker look so good, now would it? Sexist and clueless is about right.

[RandomThoughts]

9. It is all about are women equal in being able to make decisions.

Or are they subservient.


If you think with a 'society first' not people in society first model, then nobody really matters, they are cogs to a goal, women are for bearing children, or trophies, or other things, not as independent thinking felling people in that idea.

But that is not from an idea about women only, it comes from the idea that people are a resource for something like a society, or an economy, or the 'corporation as a person' idea.

It is not hard to understand.


If you think of the machine as more important then the cog, and you think with the direction of the mind of the machine, not for the people in the machine, then those thoughts occur.



Much of the thoughts that cause many problems, is the shift to machine over the dignity of all people in a society or system. Keeping that balance is tough. Sending soldiers to war is for the system, against some soldiers in the system, for others in the system, hive mentality.

All systems are hive mentality, and many faults are thinking about the system not the individual.

In the same way complete selfishness does the same thing. A person that abuses women has a system of only them, and to them a women is a cog to serve them. So that occurs sometimes also. If a person thinks a women, or a man, is for their purposes, they may be trying to define a system for their purpose, and that purpose is not for a cog in the system.

The selfish self machine system, is also a person saying they are 1 and other people are 2 for them. You can see why all people servants to all people makes more sense, since a person that thinks people are resources for them, does not take into account the dignity of what they think is a 2 in the system for them.


If you have a wife, or a husband, they should serve each other, in the same way a leader should serve the people he leads, and a landowner should serve the tenants, as the tenants serve him. It is a different concept then owning people.

[Taverner]

12. They see the Husband as the natural, god appointed 'leader' of the family

And the woman, she's just an extension of said leader.

:eyes:

Welcome to Evangelical BS Logic

[arbusto_baboso]

14. Yep, much easier to justify patriarchy if your God also has a penis.

Ever read When God Was a Woman? Great book.

[aquart]

71. I like Sojourner Truth's response.

"Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him."

http://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/genwom/sojour.htm

[Canuckistanian]

16. And this guy gets laid?

Fascinating.

[Taverner]

18. Oh yeah, big family, he teaches Sunday School, etc...

And get this - he's a software engineer, yet thinks Evolution is a myth

[hatrack]

20. Congratulations, Ladies - the GOP thinks you're Divine Tupperware!

:rofl:

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Now THAT made me laugh! A comedian could make great use of that. Lewis Black would be perfect.

[Kber]

47. that got an LOL.

[Dappleganger]

50. *snort*

Now that's a DUzy!!

[phleshdef]

21. "God to breath life", talk about overromanticizing the idea of male ejaculation.

[WillyT]

25. DUzy !!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:evilgrin:

:bounce:

:hi:

[Capitalocracy]

58. As in

"Oops, God breathed life all over my keyboard."

I'm sorry, that was terribly inappropriate. I denounce and reject myself.

[phleshdef]

60. LOL. I guess it beats saying you saw a scary ghost and it slimed you.

[Angry Dragon]

22. The very foundation of Christianity is a woman

Without a woman Christianity would not be able to exist. They never tell you this.

[justiceischeap]

40. Can you expand on this? nt

[Taverner]

45. Mother Mary nt

[Angry Dragon]

52. I will try

Christianity had to be man based
Any god could die on a cross and say that he cared enough to die for mankind's sins
It had to be a human that died for the sins of mankind.
It had to start with a woman.
If you take out the woman you can not have Christianity.

I hope this helps ........

[CJvR]

30. Perhaps...

...they should think of them as less "holy" and "vessels" and more as human beings.

[siligut]

31. They fail to mention the cooking, cleaning and boobs

:sarcasm:

[yellowcanine]

54. Those things would fall into the category of "helpmeet"; yes he failed to mention that.

Funny, that usually goes hand in hand with the "fruitful and multiply" role.

[tblue37]

70. Apparently God had other instructions for other species.

For example, the ones He told to "Be fruitflies in multiples."

[yellowcanine]

75. groan!!

:banghead:

[texastoast]

33. That's what I've heard is the Islamic reasoning for "caring" for women they way they do

They are "jewels" to be treasured, and deserve to die if they don't act like jewels.

[stockholmer]

34. one does not need religion to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate

R.A. Weatherwax

[Mz Pip]

35. Females are just brood mares.

They try to sugar coat it with all the holy vessel hogwash but that's really what these creeps think about women.

[AsahinaKimi]

39. Yeah..here's my Vessel

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RQGFm9IU5SI/TKZI6JP_65I/AAAAAAAABjo/jfyPthxw6j4/s1600/final+yamato.jpg

[LibertyLover]

41. So where do we women who are too old to be "holy vessels"

stand in this little scheme of things, eh? Or women who, for reasons beyond their control, never had life "breathed" (So that's what they call it now, I had wondered.) into them by God, or anyone else for that matter? Those people are pathologically weird.

[XanaDUer]

43. They're then grandmother vessels

if you ever notice, when a woman achieves something, or becomes infamous, and she's a mom or grandmom, the news always reports "78-year-old grandmother of five arrested for shoplifting", or "Mother of two arrested for prostitution" or, "Mother of three wins Nobel Prize."

It's always in relational terms of children, husbands, grandchildren.

[Capitalocracy]

59. That's such an interesting observation

"Husband and father of two becomes President, wins Nobel Prize." Never read that headline.

[Volaris]

65. There might be some basis in biology for that....

I remember reading an article once that stated that, in terms of Species history, Human Males are "programmed" to live shorter lives than Human Females, because as they reach extreme old age (over 50,--again, viewed through the lens of Human Anthropology) they contribute far, far less to the development of any 2nd or 3rd generation offspring than the Matriarchs of a given group....
but yeah, I get what you're getting at=)

[yellowcanine]

56. They are still expected to play the role. Wouldn't want to deny God a miracle opportunity.

HE restored the fertility of of the old washed up Sarah (Father Abe's Official Wife), HE can do it for ye also.

[XanaDUer]

42. Typical women-belong-on-a-pedestal patriarchal bs

nt.

[Honeycombe8]

44. I agree. It's a condescending statement. Like saying, "I'm not a racist...

I just think God has infused in them the high purpose of serving white people. I totally respect that."

Sometimes you just can't explain what's wrong with a statement. You just know it, when you read it.

[Liberal_in_LA]

46. k&r

[Odin2005]

48. Yes, because women surely don't deserve to be treated like human beings!

:eyes:

[SoCalDem]

49. something to masturbate into?

and then to wash the clothes, get the food, cook the dinner & clean house:)

[Rex]

51. holy vessel = object.

Sad and still wrong after all these centuries.

[Capitalocracy]

57. A vessel. You know, not a person, a vessel. Good for breeding.

And inbetween breeding, housework.

[timtom]

61. Another point of view?

Hard to fathom, isn't it? Let's go bring democracy to that person...

[anAustralianobserver]

62. This is quite a progressive statement if you're a monk in the middle ages.

[Cleita]

63. The fact that they refer to women as vessels shows

that they don't consider women fully human but some kind of accessory to men.

[Iggo]

64. They're people. Not vessels.

Fucking woman-haters.

[jemelanson]

67. Feminism, the radical idea that Women are People.

[MountainLaurel]

66. I'm a woman who won't be breathing life in this lifetime

Are they allowed to hate me then?

[ehrnst]

72. So any woman that doesn't have a baby is violating her purpose. (nt)

[Vinca]

76. Don't holy vessels deserve adequate health care and a secure retirement?

Guess after you "breathe life" you're supposed to fade away.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

78. But let them die if they are carrying a life threatening pregnancy.

Because we KNOW that because pregnancy and childbirth are natural functions, they are just a breeze, a picnic, NO PROBLEMA!!!

(((SARCASM)))))