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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:44 PM
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GA State Rep.: There’s No Such Thing as a Rape Victim
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 07:46 PM by Ian David
GA State Rep.: There’s No Such Thing as a Rape Victim

U.S. House Republicans have received a great deal of attention over the past week since seeking to qualify the crime of rape with the term “forcible” in a high-profile piece of legislation. Such a distinction could create classes of rape victims, with “forcible rape” victims somehow being ordained as worse off than victims of statutory rape, date rape, rape by coercion or deception, rape of the disabled or mentally impaired… You get the picture.

But what if rape victims could no longer be referred to as “victims” at all? What if people who have endured this horrible – and already chronically underreported -- crime could only be called “accusers”?

Georgia Republican state Rep. Bobby Franklin (of gold-standard-wannabe fame) has introduced a bill to change the state’s criminal codes so that in “criminal law and criminal procedure” (read: in court), victims of rape, stalking, and family violence could only be referred to as “accusers” until the defendant has been convicted.

Burglary victims are still victims. Assault victims are still victims. Fraud victims are still victims. But if you have the misfortune to suffer a rape, or if you are beaten by a domestic partner, or if you are stalked, Rep. Franklin doesn’t think you’ve been victimized. He says you’re an accuser until the courts have determined otherwise.

More:
http://www.dlcc.org/GA_Rep_Says_No_Such_Thing_as_Rape_Victims

Hat-tip to: http://twitter.com/markos/status/33314189011320832

See also:

Smith Caves on Defining Rape in Anti-Abortion Bill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x338386




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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:47 PM
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1. Sick bastard. n/t
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:48 PM
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2. I feel sorry for the women and females in this piece of scum's life
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:48 PM
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4. Go straight to HELL, Bobby!
:grr:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:52 PM
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6. do not pass go, do not collect a return ticket.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:51 PM
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5. He's probably a rapist himself.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:52 PM
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7. Oh fuck him.
A special place in hell for sick mofo's like that.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:53 PM
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8. What the fucking hell is wrong with these people?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 07:57 PM
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9. Whaddaya call em if the abuser kills em? The raped beaten dead 2 year old accuser?
Ridiculous.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:11 PM
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12. Or the 4 month old who was so badly raped by her father that
she will require surgeries for 2 decades to undo the damage inflicted on her. He's in Jackson prison where he belongs; she's in for a lifetime of pain. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:00 PM
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10. WTF.
is wrong with this person? this makes me think he's some kind of rapist.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:07 PM
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11. He's the constitutionalist that offered a bill saying people don't need a driver licence to driv.
My wife tells me about him every night as she works at the Georgia capital.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:14 PM
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13. wow that's almost as bad as
"Rape is like bad weather, you just lay back and enjoy it." Republicans are so fucked up in the head.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:34 PM
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30. You have to wonder
If Mr. Franklin was on the receiving end of a rape whether he'd be quite so sanguine about its impact on the "accuser." I'm definitely not wishing anything on him, and heaven knows there are some people walking around without the least trace of empathetic skills, but I wonder if he couldn't see himself being held down in, say, a prison laundry room bent over a folding table. How does he think he would feel about that?
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:15 PM
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14. WTF! That makes me absolutely furious. I live in GA, and this is
the first I've heard of this story. What's wrong with the idiot?

I just happened across the idiot's facebook page. It even annoys me:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/State-Rep-Bobby-Franklin-R-43/67713033609?v=wall#!/pages/State-Rep-Bobby-Franklin-R-43/67713033609?v=wall
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:40 PM
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22. me, too. WTF?
and the FB page annoys me as well.

This state is gonna be unrecognizable in a few more years.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:23 PM
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15. This dude is really on a roll this week...
Georgia Republican Bobby Franklin: Nobody Should Need A Driver's License
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x333077


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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:25 PM
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16. This is the same guy that wanted to do away with driver's licenses
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:26 PM
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17. There are no words to describe what he is, as any words I use...
...would be sullied by their association with him.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:28 PM
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18. Another misogynistic fucker! n/t
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:29 PM
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19. Back in the day - rape of a virgin was considered worse than rape of a non-virgin
the virginity status of a rape victim was actually brought up in court by the defending attorney. So some rape victims were more the victim than others. We are heading back to those horrible days.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:29 PM
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20. Another Fine, Fundamentalist Gentleman
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 08:31 PM by Tsiyu

all about
callin' out
all the Jezebels


to quote a song o' mine.




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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:33 PM
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21. Mr. Franklin, why don't you jes take off dem pants, allegedly.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:01 PM
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23. Reminiscent of Texas GOPer "Claytie" Williams in 1990.
Clayton "Claytie" Williams was a Texas oilman and Republican who once "joked" that women should give in while being raped. Williams made the "joke" during his failed 1990 campaign for governor against Democrat Ann Richards. Williams compared rape to the weather, saying, "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it." Williams lost. Ann won.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:42 PM
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24. Has anybody done a thorough background check on Rep. Franklin?
If not, maybe they should.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:04 PM
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44. My first thought exactly. The right wingers most against the gays are gay
and fighting it as hard as they can ...

This makes me wonder what internal demons this idiot is grappling with.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:43 PM
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25. bobby franklin...
fuck you. that is all.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:07 PM
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26. Republicans suck.
I'm just saying.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:19 PM
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27. Bobby Franklin also wants to do away with the state Drivers License. Yeah...

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/georgia_republican_nobody_should_need_a_drivers_license.php


There's something in the water in Cobb County than makes people crazy. I have some friends who live in East Cobb (home of the McMansion™) and their neighbors have "John Birch Society" signs in their yards.





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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:26 PM
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28. The most fucked up thing about rep. Bobby Franklin... is that he's been in office for over a decade.

Its not like he's one of the freshman who came in on the Tea Party wave. Franklin has been part of the establishment for a long time.

http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/house/bios/franklinBobby/franklinBobby.htm
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:32 PM
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29. I will say one good thing about the man, he introduced a bill to keep GMO's out of school lunches:

http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/fulltext/hb698.htm

So he's not a total fuckhead, but close to it.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:12 PM
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38. Two words: broken clock
I'm sure he likes dogs, too.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:34 PM
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31. How do people like him keep getting elected?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:44 PM
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Sienna86 Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:51 PM
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33. How would any woman vote for this guy?
And add to that, any decent man???
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:58 PM
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:09 PM
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37. There are only 2 issues people care about in Cobb County: guns and abortion. Everything else is ...

immaterial. Most women in Cobb are Stepford wives who vote how their husbands tell them to vote. And theres also a lot of racism, a tremendous fear of "the crime from Atlanta" spilling out into the suburbs. And they love a good book burning too, so much that they use the smoke from burning books to flavor their BBQ.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:56 PM
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34. Woman-hating a--hole. The rape victim is the rape victim; the accused is the accused. HER
nomenclature does not inflict legal injury on the ACCUSED.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:07 PM
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36. How can anyone be this sick? It has to be more than simple stupidity.
Hatred HAS to be the overwhelming force in attitudes like his.

Apparently there are enough like-minded people in Cobb County, Georgia there's no problem getting him elected. Unbelievable.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com.nyud.net:8090/assets_c/2011/02/bobby-franklin-drivers-license-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8090/2030/2338220088_83e839e53b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8090/2225/2337385403_530ac63865.jpg
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:23 PM
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40. Its not surprising if you know Cobb Co. Lockheed pulls a lot of weight, and there are lots of

military because of Dobbins AFB and the Naval Air Station. So the MIC is pretty deeply entrenched.

Its also the home of Newt Gingrich, and Bob Barr. Pretty much the creme-filled center in the GOP twinkie that is GA, in other words.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:22 PM
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39. Spoken like a true rapist.
Rapist sympathizer.

I wouldn't want my children anywhere near him.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:27 PM
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41. I'm not sure what this guy's angle is
and why he makes a distinction as to which accusers should be called "victims". But the fact is (and I know some of you refuse to accept this) but the fact is not everyone who accuses someone of a crime is a victim. Being raped is a horrible thing. Being falsely accused of rape is no picnic either. I understand that there are many supporters of women's rights or children's rights who want to believe that there is no such thing as a false accusation of rape or child abuse, and to acknowledge that fact somehow makes one less of a staunch supporter of victims of such crimes. But that is just as wrong as some blockhead saying "She wanted it". It's not a black and white world when it comes to these things. Ask the McMartins. Ask anyone else who has been falsely accused. To me whether someone is thought of as or called a "victim" based on an accusation is neither here nor there, as long as that assumption doesn't prevent the accused from getting a fair trial.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:42 PM
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42. This is one of his tamer bills actually. Look at HB4 if you really want to see the depths of this

guy's crazy. HB4 would pretty much establish GA as a Fundie Theocracy. Among its highlights are a clause that says (and I'm NOT paraphrasing here): "The only legitimate functions of the civil government are the ones that pertain to the punishment of those who infringe on the life, liberty, or property of others".

http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/fulltext/hb4.htm

Full text:

SECTION 1.
Title 28 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the General Assembly, is amended by adding a new chapter to read as follows:
"CHAPTER 13

28-13-1.
This chapter shall be known and may be cited as the 'Life, Liberty, and Property Restoration Act.'

28-13-2.
The General Assembly finds that:
(1) Our forefathers, in the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, stated: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men...';
(2) In that charter they unanimously declared that:
(A) There is an almighty, everlasting, creator God, the God of the Bible, the only God there is, Who is active over the affairs of men and to Whom someday we shall all give an account;
(B) Our rights come from God and as such they are not privileges granted by the civil government; and
(C) The sole purpose of the civil government is to secure, protect, and defend the God-given rights to life, liberty, and property;
(3) God has instituted four, not one, spheres of government;
(4) The first and primary sphere of government is individual self-government where everyone is to take personal responsibility for himself and his actions. The second sphere of government is family government where children are trained by their parents or guardians to be productive and responsible citizens. The third sphere of government is church government where there is a more public form of discipline for the unrepentant. The church is given the keys of the kingdom to help in the discipline of her members and to punish sins. The fourth, and least, sphere of government is the civil government which has been given the sword to punish those who infringe upon the life, liberty, or property of others;
(5) Unfortunately, over time people have looked to the civil government to right all wrongs and to even punish sins;
(6) When the proper governmental jurisdiction is perceived to not be doing its job, all too often the civil government steps in and usurps a jurisdiction not granted to it by God in order to meet that perceived need;
(7) An example of such usurpation can be found in the thirteenth chapter of the book of First Samuel. There, King Saul was all dressed up for battle against the Philistines but Samuel the prophet had not shown up to offer the required sacrifice. While waiting for Samuel, the troops grew restless and some had even begun to desert and return to their homes. Saul, perceiving the unmet need, offered the sacrifice himself, which was something that God had not authorized the civil government to do. As a result of this unauthorized, though needed, action, Saul lost his kingdom;
(8) Looking to the civil government to right a wrong in a way that God has not permitted is in reality a form of idolatry because the civil government is looked to for salvation in that particular area;
(9) Whenever the civil government assumes to itself an area that God has assigned to one of the other governmental jurisdictions, it is blasphemously asserting itself to be God;
(10) The only legitimate functions of the civil government are the ones that pertain to the punishment of those who infringe on the life, liberty, or property of others. All other functions undertaken by the civil government are usurpation and a blasphemous attempt to be God;
(11) Efforts to shift those illegitimate areas that have been blasphemously undertaken by the civil government to private sector entities by means of a contract or a so-called 'public-private partnership' is a violation of Article III, Section VI, Paragraph V(c) of the Constitution of Georgia, which states that 'The General Assembly shall not have the power to authorize any contract or agreement which may have the effect of or which is intended to have the effect of defeating or lessening competition, or encouraging a monopoly, which are hereby declared to be unlawful and void';
(12) True privatization means that the civil government is no longer involved in a particular area and that if a service which was formerly provided by the civil government is truly needed, then the private sector, through one of the other God ordained governmental jurisdictions, will step in to fill the void created by the departure of the civil government from that function, all without tax dollars; and
(13) In order to 'perpetuate the principles of free government, insure justice to all, preserve peace, promote the interest and happiness of the citizen and of the family, and transmit to posterity the enjoyment of liberty,' as the people set forth in the Preamble of the Constitution of Georgia, all laws, departments, agencies, authorities, boards, or commissions that do not pertain to the legitimate jurisdiction of the civil government to secure, protect, and defend the God-given rights to life, liberty, and property must be repealed and abolished.

28-13-3.
(a) There is created in the General Assembly the Joint Committee on Repeals which shall consist of six members, three of whom shall be members of the House of Representatives appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and three of whom shall be members of the Senate appointed by the President of the Senate. None of the members shall have graduated from a law school accredited by the American Bar Association or have ever been admitted to the practice of law in any state.
(b) A co-chairman shall be selected by the Speaker of the House of Representatives who shall preside over the committee in odd-numbered years. A co-chairman shall be selected by the President of the Senate who shall preside over the committee in even-numbered years.

28-13-4.
(a) The committee shall meet subject to the call of the cochairman presiding that year for the purpose of reviewing the entire Official Code of Georgia Annotated and all departments, agencies, authorities, boards, and commissions to determine whether they comply with the foundational principles of civil government articulated in the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America and with the provisions of Code Section 28-12-2.
(b) The committee shall recommend legislation to repeal every Code section and abolish every department, agency, authority, board, or commission that it finds fails to comply with the foundational principles of civil government articulated in the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America or the provisions of Code Section 28-12-2.
(c) The committee may consider such legislation duly assigned to it repealing Code sections or abolishing departments, agencies, authorities, boards, or commissions that fail to comply with the foundational principles of civil government articulated in the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America or the provisions of Code Section 28-12-2."

SECTION 2.
All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:58 PM
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43. My biggest fear
We're sliding down a slippery slope toward cutting federal and state funding for Rape Response programs.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:35 PM
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45. POS
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