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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:19 PM Original message |
Is P.C and multiculturalism an impediment to honest and open discussion of Islam's violent misogyny? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not amongst those strong enough to be honest, but the real question is what to DO about it. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please don't use right wing propaganda to make your argument |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. +1 |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Explain please?...A video of a woman being stoned to death is "rightwing propaganda"? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. lol. no, the idea that such things can't be discussed because of "political correctness". |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. so what? how does that stop you from discussing it? a discussion implies multiple |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. "Bash the Muslims"...I think you are making my point...If an atempt is made to discuss the issue... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. so what? no one is shutting down discussion. there are plenty of folks who will |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Well, you're wrong. They are shutting down the discussion. Did you follow the link? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. & that has fuckall to do with islam or any "violent misogyny". |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. i can take heat just fine. but not interested in heat without light. |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. So you'll take the time to "hit and run" but not to discuss...ok...bye to you too |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. BTW, how the hell can you have a "point of view" about stoning a woman to death? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. btw; do you like your straw raw, or seasoned? |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Who said anything about Egypt? |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. And, No, my OP is not about "Islams violent misogyn" It's about limit to the discussion of the topic |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
99. I do see the distinction, and IMO... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. +1 Good catch. nt |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
73. Complaints about "political correctness": the tail that wags the dog |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. +1 |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. +1 (Cali and Hannah Bell in agreement--and me with both!). nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. no. as witness any random day at du. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. does being 'liberal' or 'progressive' |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. I find a culture that allows corporations to stomp all over the rights of people..... |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. No body said it wasn't. I was talking about violence towards women in Islamic cultures..any thougts |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Stoning women or unionizing Wal-Mart |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Was "Christianity" at fault for the holocaust? |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Whooosh,right over your head. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
11. Women are participating in this uprising. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yes, clearly so. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
68. When one links to right wing sites, "right-wing propaganda" is a valid response |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
100. +1 |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. Kneejerk feminism and a lack of knowledge of history sure are. |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Agreed...I wasn't aware of the history, thanks. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. It's really worth a read |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Thank you. I will. |
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arthritisR_US (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Excellent background material and your views coincide with my own. n/t |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. Yes I agree with this but knowing that history doesn't change the situation today |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
75. Except for that part about marrying six year old girls |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Nor did much of the rest of the world, which did it too |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. No. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
33. This is why Ceiling Cat created unRec n/t |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. In all seriousness. Could you please explain why you think this should be "unRec"-ed? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Maybe you're unaware of the passive / aggressiveness in your OP |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Actually, I would make that post if P.C and multiculturism prevented a discussion of same... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. But this isn't a site where rightwing apologists post |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Look, I'm the first to admit I'm not the brightest guy around (surprised?) but I thougt a discussion |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You should probably post your question in Ask The Administrators |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Then start one without the code words. See what happens. nt |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. What? What code words are you talking about...? I'm not kidding, I don't get what you are saying. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. PC and multiculturalism are code words of the right. Remove them and restate your case |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Ok...Does being overconcerned with offending others based on their religion limit the discussion of |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Let me rephrase that for you... |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. What!...How can you ascribe meaning to what I wrote other than what I wrote? Really? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Did you kill Medgar Evers? I know I didn't--but I'm White, and Southern-- |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. You are making no sense. But I am honestly willing to listen. Could you just speak plainly instead |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You want to blame an entire culture for the evil done by a few. that is like blaming every |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Thank you. I really am being sincere here. I don't think I've ever thought of PC or |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
36. western culture doesn't have a record of treating muslim females excellently either |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Or non-muslim females either. (nm) |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. True that. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
38. "PC" is what the right wing calls respect for other people. n/t |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. So showing respect precludes truthful discussion? It seems to be so with those in |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Why would honesty and respect be mutually exclusive? |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. They aren't. So one should be able to say that women are stonned to death in Islamic cultures withou |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. you're being obtuse |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. I'm really not. I am perhaps not as quick or smart as you, but I was being sincere. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
91. Yes. But one should not go around saying that ALL Muslim cultures stone women to death... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. FOR THE WIN! nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
40. If this thread had been about Christianity, it would have been locked pronto. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. There are ways to say things and then there are other ways to say things, so |
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jimmie (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. I agree with you 100 % |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
50. No. However, the notion that there is such a thing as "Islamic culture" is. n/t |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
51. No. |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Agreed. Then why are those who speak out about this in Europe punished? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. It is a cultural anomaly. Like talking about puritanical traits in America. |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Interesting take, thanks. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. NP. I see you are getting flak by some. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
55. In the US roughly three women per day are murdered by an intimate partner |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
63. As I know it, PC is nothing more than being civil and respectful... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
67. Oh good lord. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. +1. nt |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
77. islam, like other religions, is used as a tool for control and oppression, |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Thanks you, I really appreciate your response. You have shed light on why so many seem angry about |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Thanks |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
82. No. It isn't! Other things can be. |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Then what do you make of the punishment of those who broach the subject in Europe? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Reporting violent misogyny in Muslim countries does not come under these laws |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. How is it hate speech to shine light on the abhorent actions done in Islamic cultures? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. It isn't, but it's hate speech to call for mobilization against an entire religious or ethnic |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. As others have said, sharpen your brush... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
93. No and yes. Some people will espouse "cultural tolerance" for everything and if you |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
94. Do you think there's such a thing as Islamophobia? |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
96. The problem with your underlying thesis |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. +1 |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
98. IS PC AND MULTICULTURALISM PREVENTING OPEN AND HONEST DISCUSSION ABOUT WHICH RACE IS THE BEST |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. uh .. |
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