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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:08 PM
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Micheal Moore's Letter to Swedish Government "...many see right through you"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/dear-government-of-sweden

Dear Swedish Government:

Hi there -- or as you all say, Hallå! You know, all of us here in the U.S. love your country. Your Volvos, your meatballs, your hard-to-put-together furniture -- we can't get enough!

There's just one thing that bothers me -- why has Amnesty International, in a special report (described in detail here by Naomi Wolf), declared that Sweden refuses to deal with the very real tragedy of rape? In fact, they say that all over Scandinavia, including in your country, rapists "enjoy impunity." And the United Nations, the EU and Swedish human rights groups have come to the same conclusion: Sweden just doesn't take sexual assault against women seriously. How else do you explain these statistics from Katrin Axelsson of Women Against Rape:

** Sweden has the HIGHEST per capita number of reported rapes in Europe.

** This number of rapes has quadrupled in the last 20 years.

** The conviction rates? They have steadily DECREASED.

Axelsson says: "On April 23rd of this year, Carina Hägg and Nalin Pekgul (respectively MP and chairwoman of Social Democratic Women in Sweden) wrote in the Göteborgs that 'up to 90% of all reported rapes never get to court.'"

Let me say that again: nine out of ten times, when women report they have been raped, you never even bother to start legal proceedings. No wonder that, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention, it is now statistically more likely that someone in Sweden will be sexually assaulted than that they will be robbed.

Message to rapists? Sweden loves you!

So imagine our surprise when all of a sudden you decided to go after one Julian Assange on sexual assault charges. Well, sort of: first you charged him. Then after investigating it, you dropped the most serious charges and rescinded the arrest warrant.

Then a conservative MP put pressure on you and, lo and behold, you did a 180 and reopened the Assange investigation. Except you still didn't charge him with anything. You just wanted him for "questioning." So you -- you who have sat by and let thousands of Swedish women be raped while letting their rapists go scott-free -- you decided it was now time to crack down on one man -- the one man the American government wants arrested, jailed or (depending on which politician or pundit you listen to) executed. You just happened to go after him, on one possible "count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape (third degree)." And while thousands of Swedish rapists roam free, you instigated a huge international manhunt on Interpol for this Julian Assange!

What anti-rape crusaders you've become, Swedish government! Women in Sweden must suddenly feel safer?

Well, not really. Actually, many see right through you. They know what these "non-charge charges" are really about. And they know that you are cynically and disgustingly using the real and everyday threat that exists against women everywhere to help further the American government's interest in silencing the work of WikiLeaks.

I don't pretend to know what happened between Mr. Assange and the two women complainants (all I know is what I've heard in the media, so I'm as confused as the next person). And I'm sorry if I've jumped to any unnecessary or wrong-headed conclusions in my efforts to state a very core American value: All people are absolutely innocent until proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. I strongly believe every accusation of sexual assault must be investigated vigorously. There is nothing wrong with your police wanting to question Mr. Assange about these allegations, and while I understand why he seemed to go into hiding (people tend to do that when threatened with assassination), he nonetheless should answer the police’s questions. He should also submit to the STD testing the alleged victims have requested. I believe Sweden and the UK have a treaty and a means for you to send your investigators to London so they can question Mr. Assange where he is under house arrest while out on bail.

But that really wouldn't be like you would it, to go all the way to another country to pursue a suspect for sexual assault when you can't even bring yourselves to make it down to the street to your own courthouse to go after the scores of reported rapists in your country. That you, Sweden, have chosen to rarely do that in the past, is why this whole thing stinks to the high heavens.

And let's not forget this one final point from Women Against Rape's Katrin Axelsson:

"There is a long tradition of the use of rape and sexual assault for political agendas that have nothing to do with women's safety. In the south of the US, the lynching of black men was often justified on grounds that they had raped or even looked at a white woman. Women don't take kindly to our demand for safety being misused, while rape continues to be neglected at best or protected at worst."

This tactic of using a rape charge to go after minorities or troublemakers, guilty or innocent -- while turning a blind eye to clear crimes of rape the rest of the time — is what I fear is happening here. I want to make sure that good people not remain silent and that you, Sweden, will not succeed if in fact you are in cahoots with corrupt governments such as ours.

Last week Naomi Klein wrote: "Rape is being used in the Assange prosecution in the same way that 'women's freedom' was used to invade Afghanistan. Wake up!"

I agree.

Unless you have the evidence (and it seems if you did you would have issued an arrest warrant by now), drop the extradition attempt and get to work doing the job you've so far refused to do: Protecting the women of Sweden.

Yours,
Michael Moore
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:19 PM
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1. K&R!!! n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:21 PM
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2. Remind me never to go to Sweden.
Yikes.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:10 AM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:21 PM
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3. Larry Flint is donating $50K to Wikileaks defense fund.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:11 PM
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7. yay!
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:22 PM
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4. I wonder how Assange's lawyers feel about this. Moore may be doing
more harm than good. His tone is belligerant and really not his business...
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:56 PM
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6. Not his business!? This has Moore written all over it!
I smell another movie!
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:13 PM
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9. Ahhh, I wasn't looking at the big picture. Good catch...n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:23 PM
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11. He is a businessman and a wealthy one at that.
I love his movies, but know he is trying to make money and survive like the rest of us. Can't wait to see the trailer!
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:27 PM
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15. Please understand I am definitely a Michael fan, he has done wonderful
things. Maybe it's me, it just seems that sometimes he becomes a little intrusive. Your post did clarify for me why, and you are right, you've got to strike while the iron is hot....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:13 PM
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8. The group Women Against Rape in the UK said essentially the same thing
in an open letter printed last week in the Guardian.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:20 PM
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10. MM being belligerent?
Quelle surprise.

I happen to agree with his main point, that the Swede's cover is rather thin.

-Hoot
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 04:53 PM
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5. Awesome! Nt
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:24 PM
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12. Because Sweden has such a history of false imprisonment and false charges
:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:16 AM
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:27 PM
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13. what a bizarre argument.
"Everyone else in Sweden gets away with rape, so my boy Julian should, too!"
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 07:21 PM
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17. He is not even accused of anything but CONSENSUAL sex...
Your claims are libelous and without any evidence provided.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 01:48 AM
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19. that is not what I read
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:27 PM
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14. in other words, "go back to letting people get away with rape
and stop picking on this dude we like even though he may be a rapist! If you're going to ignore all those other alleged rapes, you should be ignoring this one too! And by the way, what are you doing actually investigating the instances when you're usually so crappy about that and especially because even though we don't know jack shit about what happened it's just dang obvious that this dude we like couldn't possibly be a rapist because we like him and believe it when he says it's all just a political smear!"
:eyes:


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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 01:30 AM
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18. re:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/jaccuse-sweden...


After an account of her work over decades "traveling the world reporting on and interviewing survivors of sexual assault, and their advocates, in countries as diverse as Sierra Leone and Morocco, Norway and Holland, Israel and Jordan and the Occupied Territories, Bosnia and Croatia, Britain, Ireland and the united States," Naomi Wolf concludes that "Britain and Sweden's treatment of Julian Assange is a form of theater."


In other words: Never in twenty-three years of reporting on and supporting victims of sexual assault around the world have I ever heard of a case of a man sought by two nations, and held in solitary confinement without bail in advance of being questioned -- for any alleged rape, even the most brutal or easily proven. In terms of a case involving the kinds of ambiguities and complexities of the alleged victims' complaints -- sex that began consensually that allegedly became non-consensual when dispute arose around a condom -- please find me, anywhere in the world, another man in prison today without bail on charges of anything comparable.

Of course 'No means No', even after consent has been given, whether you are male or female; and of course condoms should always be used if agreed upon. As my fifteen-year-old would say: Duh. But for all the tens of thousands of women who have been kidnapped and raped, raped at gunpoint, gang-raped, raped with sharp objects, beaten and raped, raped as children, raped by acquaintances -- who are still awaiting the least whisper of justice -- the highly unusual reaction of Sweden and Britain to this situation is a slap in the face. It seems to send the message to women in the UK and Sweden that if you ever want anyone to take sex crime against you seriously, you had better be sure the man you accuse of wrongdoing has also happened to embarrass the most powerful government on earth.

Keep Assange in prison without bail until he is questioned, by all means, if we are suddenly in a real feminist worldwide epiphany about the seriousness of the issue of sex crime: but Interpol, Britain and Sweden must, if they are not to be guilty of hateful manipulation of a serious women's issue for cynical political purposes, imprison as well -- at once -- the hundreds of thousands of men in Britain, Sweden and around the world world who are accused in far less ambiguous terms of far graver forms of assault.

Anyone who works in supporting women who have been raped knows from this grossly disproportionate response that Britain and Sweden, surely under pressure from the US, are cynically using the serious issue of rape as a fig leaf to cover the shameful issue of mafioso-like global collusion in silencing dissent. That is not the State embracing feminism. That is the State pimping feminism.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 01:56 AM
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20. I have nothing but very harsh and ugly words for Wolf
And I say that as a rape victim. She fucking disgusts me particularly because of her apparent background in helping victims of rape and should fucking no better. I and anyone else who has been a victim of rape that wasn't some stranger jumping out of the bushes sure as shit don't need that smarmy beast taking a whopping shit on us and attempting to push society backward to not accepting rape as rape as it is actually defined. Yes, date rape happens. Fuck her and anyone else trying to excuse rape when it doesn't happen to be "rape-rape", for shitting on an alleged rape victim when she doesn't know what happened and smearing them with the same rape apology bullshit that women have always tried to fight against and especially for ignoring the FACT that most rape victims go into denial especially soon after the experience and behave in ways that are odd because with her apparent background concerning rape victims she KNOWS this.

A big colossal SHIT on anyone making excuses for Assange when they have no idea what really happened between those two women and him and never will and even more important trying to reject everything society has learned about how rape is defined and how rape victims very often feel and behave AND FOR NO OTHER FUCKING REASON THAN BECAUSE THEY LIKE WHAT ASSANGE DOES WITH WIKILEAKS.

Done with you.



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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:07 AM
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21. My heavens...
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 02:08 AM by hlthe2b
You seem to have nothing but harsh and ugly words for everyone. I am very sad for you...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:24 AM
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:27 AM
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25. That's not what it came across as at all...
Just curious, but why do you think it is that Sweden doesn't investigate other alleged rapes to such an extent that Amnesty International has expressed concern about it, but chose this one 'alleged rape' to make a stand on? Just a coincedence that it happens to be Julian Assange?
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 05:47 PM
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16. I loved visiting Sweden, it is pretty, progressive and all. So disappointed...
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