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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-19-13 12:21 AM
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Can Haz Bill O' Rights?
And, apparently, if Big Brother is watching you (and listening, too), then the Big Business is. /

And you thought your neighbor was nosy.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-19-13 06:09 AM
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1. Well, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to hide.
Even from our good friends and benevolent job creating corporations.

I couldn't watch the entire video it was constantly being interrupted in an irritating stop and start fashion.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-19-13 10:01 AM
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2. Well, that's turned upside down deceptively, isn't it?
Edited on Thu Dec-19-13 10:08 AM by No Elephants
The Constitution is not about my having reason to worry. The Constitution says that the US government cannot surveill me unless it has reason to surveill me.

Ergo, unless government has reason to believe that I have done something wrong, it has no Constitutional power to surveill me.

I don't think the fact that I am not dead yet is reason to believe that I have done something wrong; and they seem to be surveilling everyone who breathes.

(In "done something wrong" I include my having done something that gives the government reason to believe that I may be about to do something wrong.)

Did the Framers foresee terrorism? You bet. To the redcoats, disloyal and disruptive colonists were terrorists. To the colonists, First Nations seemed like terrorists (and vice versa).

Besides, it's not only the 4th amendment that's been disappeared in the guise of keeping us safe from foreigners who want to deprive us of freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution. We are now subject to, it seems, having Congress define who and what is really a journalist or a publisher. And, apparently, they think they can define wikileaks and Greenwald out of the First Amendment. Guess why. They also think they can surveill a journalist's every communication (for AP) in order to find out the journalist's source. Guess why. So, secrecy trumps the First Amendment. Doesn't seem to be what the Framers had in mind.

And then, there's all that stuff about right to counsel, right to confront witnesses against you, right to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment (no exceptions for CIA or offshoring torture), and so on. Think of people in Gitmo who have not only never been charged, but who have actually been cleared--after having been tortured. Think of people we've sent to places like Syria for torture. Think of force feeding. Think of drone murders.

Exactly which amendment to the Constitution of the United States that is part of the Bill of Rights has survived Bushco and Obamaco?
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