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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-26-13 11:25 AM
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I understand and sympathize with her position.
There is 24/7 mainstream media condemnation of the ACA for any reason they can come up with. I consider this to be quite enough criticism, just for the sake of criticism. I mean, what is the point of "liberals" adding more noise about the messed up website? WTF? I agree with the President, the website is not the ACA. And I seldom agree with the President.

In a media that has hardly mentioned the Bush Administration's lying us into a war with Iraq I hardly see this media feeding frenzy over the ACA website as essential reporting. Every liberal needs to stand up and condemn the President and the ACA website? I don't think it is at all necessary. The President deserves criticism over a number of issues, like the proposed TPP, but he didn't design the website.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-28-13 03:27 AM
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1. Medicare for all would not have caused problems. That's the real story.
Edited on Mon Oct-28-13 03:50 AM by No Elephants
Her point about the source of the difficulties with the website being the interface with private companies is also a good one. Undercuts the "government can't do anything right" meme.

Then again, government didn't design the software for the ACA website, either--another point getting lost in the noise.

I am of the view that everyone in media should try their damndest to tell the public the truth about everything, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, whether they are liberal or conservative or somewhere in between.

For one thing, that is the only way to credibility with all sides.

The reason this story even came to my attention, since I don't watch much MSNBC anymore, and I don't read Salon much, is a local PBS TV show called "Beat the Press."

Keller, a local Republican whom I've mentioned before as a partisan who pretends to be objective, used this story to beat up Walsh, Salon and Obama. And, I can't say he was wrong as to Salon and Walsh. They are not journalists, they are advocates. Yet Walsh is denying that she was an advocate when she made this statement; and that denial is ridiculous. So, the hypocrisy bothers me as well.

Then again, I am one of the very few who refuses to look through either the red prism or the blue prism (or even the green prism). One of those crazy people who think principles should still matter and we will never get out of this mess unless we we all put down our respecitve prisms and face reality.

When DU2 wasn't too highly trafficked to show tag lines, mine included a quote from Dr. Phil, whom I don't like all that much. Nonetheless, the particular saying I quoted was something in which I believe. It went something like. "If you misdiagnose, you mistreat. If you mistreat, you reduce chances of improvement." (The actual saying was zingier, but I'm too lazy right now to look it up in my profile.)

I believe that and I'd like improvement. So, I favor discerning reality as much as I can.

None of the colored prisms is useful when it comes to discerning reality. If I have any prism, it's the 99%.

I agree totally on TPP, but it's not getting as much press from anywhere in the MSM, is it? And that is because everyone is one side or the other--either right or establishment (as if there is much of a difference anymore anyway.)

I read somewhere that Ed Shultz has been trying his best to sound the alarm, within the parameters of the constraints MSNBC puts on its show hosts. And, it's pretty brave of him, given that he's returned only recently from the weekend, just before MSNBC resumes its weekend prison programming.

Problem is, government has ceased responding to us, if ever it did.

Maybe we should all reciprocate, say every April 15.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-31-13 04:37 AM
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2. I can't disagree with a word.
Edited on Thu Oct-31-13 04:39 AM by Enthusiast
Discerning reality has become difficult in the face of this massive effort to mislead.

I am sick to death over this massive spying/propaganda bullshit. Snowden forgot to tell us about the huge propaganda mechanism that is equal to the surveillance effort.

There are sock puppets on DU3 arguing that Chained CPI wouldn't be so bad. They are also telling us that TPP isn't so bad. This is very much like the army of sock puppets that told us we must strike Syria.

MSNBC is more dangerous than the rest because they carry the false mantle they are more liberal and unbiased. I bet we will find Ed will abandon his anti-TPP stance. Either that or he'll find himself on ESPN like Olbermann.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-31-13 05:45 AM
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4. I can't disagree with a word of your post, either.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-31-13 05:06 AM
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3. Of course, medicare for all is the single viable answer.
Edited on Thu Oct-31-13 05:06 AM by Enthusiast
But we would hear, "But Medicare is going broke as it is already!" This little gem would be coming directly from the insurance/health care services industry lobby. Medicare for all could come in at less than 50% of the current American health care costs. Everyone that knows anything knows this. During the health care debate the President actually said, "Single payer would be too expensive." lol. He couldn't have actually believed that, no fucking way.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-31-13 06:21 AM
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5. During the 2008 campaign, Obama said single payer would not work in the US
Edited on Thu Oct-31-13 06:33 AM by No Elephants
because "we already have all these systems in place."

Baloney. Every country with single payer or something comparable, had at the time it changed, "all these systems" already in place. Ditto the US before OASDI and Medicare.

Existing systems aren't sacred or immutable. That's why we don't still bleed sick people with leeches, to mention just one thing.

When you actually want change (for something other than a campaign slogan), you make the change and modify or eliminate existing systems.

At that time, too, he made a derisive remark about not wanting government to run health care. Now, he can't possibly be that dumb. Medicare is government-run health insurance, not government-run health care. Government run health care is government owning hospitals, hiring doctors, etc. That is not even close to single payer.

And then, to add gratuitous insult to injury, he snickered, "like the Post Office." The burdens that the 2006 postal "reform" act put on the post office were insane. Nonetheless, I can mail a letter this morning at my own doorstep, and have it go across country to the home of the recipient, within two or three days and all for under half a dollar. I wish the WH and Cabinet ran that reliably and cost effectively.

Why this man ever wanted to register Democrat is beyond me.

"This little gem would be coming directly from the insurance/health care services." Yes, but also from our crap elected "representatives"--and not only Republicans, either.
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