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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-12 03:54 AM
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Principal Cherokee Chief is 1/32 Cherokee, just like Elizabeth Warren!
Edited on Fri May-11-12 04:26 AM by No Elephants
Scott Brown has made a deal of the fact that Harvard listed Elizabeth Warren as a minority. Had she lied about something like that, Ms. Warren would have been very wrong.

A lie requires two things: an incorrect or misleading statement AND an intent to mislead. Otherwise, it's mistake, not a lie.

Ms. Warren, though, honestly believed her family's oral history. Therefore, even if she weren't part Cherokee, she would not have been lying, only mistaken.

HOWEVER, a geneologist did some digging and found that Ms. Warren IS indeed 1/32 Cherokee. So, her family history, which she honestly believed, turned out to be factually correct. No lie, not even a mistake.

Yet, the story and mockery will not die.

The RW did some digging too, and supposedly found that Ms. Warren is also 1/32 descended from a man who helped drive back the Cherokees (Trail of Tears).

Of course, that has nothing to do with anything. But they are harping on it, anyway, hoping no one will notice what a non sequitur it is.

Both topics have the word "Cherokee" in them, so they must be somehow connected, right?

Anyway, even after Ms. Warren's oral family history was proven correct, the right has been mocking the idea that she would count herself as Cherokee with only 1/32 Cherokee ancestry.

Say hello to Bill John Baker, who served on the Cherokee Tribal Council for 12 years before being elected the one and only Principal Chief of the entire Cherokee Nation. Mr. Baker is 1/32 Cherokee,. (Thanks, Rachael Maddow, for publicizing this.)

As usual, Democrats have taken the wrong turn on this, playing right into the hands of the rw bigots.

The defense has been proving that Ms. Warren identified herself as "white" on job applications and her Cherokee heritage played no part in her employment, as though honestly claiming her mixed heritage on a job application would have been somehow wrong.


If you recall, the RW did a bit of that with President Obama and his getting into college and law school. And, again, the response was that he had not done that, instead of "what's your point?" (Two words: Clarence Thomas. Another two words: double standard)

The TW can't legally stop a university from considering faculty diversity desirable, but they can just shame people so that they never indicate their heritage on a school or job application. Either way, the right wins and affirmative action loses.

Anyway, here's what we have factually.

Elizabeth Warren, who is 1/32 Cherokee, just like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, nonetheless identified herself as white (by checking that box on her job application) when she applied for a job. And, "white" being a color and therefore a visual call, she is indeed white. She could honestly have gone either way on the application and she made the choice that brought her no special consideration (unless she would have that by virtue of being a female, but females are not a "minority," and this is about being a minority.

She also truthfully listed herself as a minority in the Harvard School Directory. And, when challenged on lack of diversity in its law school faculty, Harvard pointed to her. (And?)

IOW, absolutely nothing happened, yet this is taking all the oxygen right now in this important Senate race.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-12 01:26 PM
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1. And so am I. And that proportion counts.
In my case, it would had my ancestors put their names on the rolls.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-12 06:48 PM
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2. As I have mentioned before, a pox on Brown's campaign for even
trying to make this an issue at all.

And on behalf of my late MIL who was 1/2 Cherokee, I'll toss a few bucks to Ms. Warren as I have them. Oh and a big FU to Scott Brown.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-12 01:11 AM
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3. Scott Brown voted against keeping interest rates low for student loans.
I don't know if it's still true, but Boston alone once had more schools of higher education than any other city in the world. So, student loans are a very big deal in Massachusetts.

Not to mention that the student vote is substantial.

But this "shiny thing" is taking up all the oxygen.

The media simply will not reveal Brown for what he is.

And Leslie Stahl, for crap's sake. What was up with her, saying he is independent and beholden to no one?

The Koch brothers put him in office (well, them and the negligence of Democrats) and he votes with the Republican caucus almost all the time, just like he did when he was a state legislator.

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