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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-11 11:27 PM
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Christmas
(I posted this at DU3, too, so let's see how quickly it will get tossed (j/k!;)) for being christianaphobic!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100245354

I've lately been seeing some advertising, though I'm sure it's been around for awhile, that proclaims "Jesus is the reason for the season."

Okay, so here's where I am going to rant.

I don't agree--at all.

To begin with, historically, the holiday being celebrated at this time of year was NOT the birth of someone named Jesus, it was a mesh of druid/wiccan/pagan holidays for the Winter Solstice, Saturnalia, and who knows-what-else-was-thrown-in. Christians turned to those festivities to reel in the pagans and convert them.

There are a lot more non-Xtians in the country now that don't view Xmas as anything other than a celebratory time to get together with friends and family, and have a good time. And it is offensive to most of those people that Xtians try to make it into "their" holiday.

Children of people who follow no religion shouldn't have to be left out. AFAIC, Xmas stopped being about religion even before I was born, and we're talking over 50 years ago now.

The point is, Xmas is NOT just about the Xtian religious traditions. Hell, if they wanted to truly celebrate the exact day during the year that their savior was born, they would do the research and figure it out.

Let the REST of us have our own reasons to enjoy the last week in December, for whatever reason we decide to celebrate.

Go away, and TAKE BILL-O with you!!!

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 01:21 AM
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1. Quick correction re: ancient holidays.
" it was a mesh of druid/wiccan/pagan holidays for the Winter Solstice,"

"Wiccan" doesn't come into it since Wicca is a modern religion. While it borrows old traditions, it was created in the 1950s and '60s.

What Christmas stole was, specifically, from the Roman religious pantheon: Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, the rebirth of the unconquerable sun, rising out of the death-like cold and darkness of winter to return to the sky, conveniently happening on December 25th. None too subtle parallels included free of charge.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 01:23 PM
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2. We must keep the X in Xmas -- but X is an unknown.
;-)

But let's face it, to Americans, Xmas really is a deeply-significant religious holiday dedicated to the Almighty ... Dollar.

;-)
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 01:25 PM
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3. It's in a state of quantum flux
Edited on Tue Dec-20-11 01:26 PM by Cronus Protagonist
When you resolve for X, you collapse the wave function.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 05:38 PM
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6. Isn't there an old B movie called
X:the Unknown?

I think it was a horror flick. Yep, that falls right into place!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 05:37 PM
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5. AMEN!
lol :)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 02:18 PM
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4. Herbert W. Armstrong, Worldwide Church of God
One of my great-grandmother's was a member of his church in the 60's and 70's, and the rest of my fundy family gave her a hard time about it. As I'm reading this now, I think my family was too hard on Granny... this guy had something here.




WHERE did we get Christmas? . . . from the Bible, or paganism? Here are astonishing FACTS which may shock you! Do you know the origin of the Christmas tree -- of "Santa Claus" -- of the mistletoe, holly wreath, -- custom of exchanging gifts?

Does Christmas really celebrate the birthday of Jesus? Was He born on December 25th? Did Paul, the Apostles, and the early Church of the New Testament celebrate Christmas? Do you know what the BIBLE says about the Christmas tree? Stop and think! Very few know WHY we do the things we do -- WHERE our customs came from! We were born into a world filled with customs. We grew up practicing them, taking them for granted, but NEVER QUESTIONING WHY!

A PAGAN, Not Christian, Festival

We have supposed CHRISTMAS to be the chief of the Christian holidays. Without asking questions, we have blindly assumed its observance must be one of the principal teachings and commands of the New Testament. We have supposed Jesus was born December 25th, and that the New Testament set this day aside as the chief Christian festival. We have supposed we exchange gifts because the wise men presented gifts to the Christ-child. But let's quit supposing and look into history and the Bible for the FACTS!

The word "Christmas" means "Mass of Christ," or, as it later became shortened, "Christ-Mass." It came to us a Roman Catholic Mass. And where did they get it? From the HEATHEN celebration of December 25th, as the birthday of Sol, the SUN-GOD! It is, actually, an ancient rite of BAALISM, which the Bible condemns as the most abominable of all idolatrous worship! It is not so much as MENTIONED anywhere in the New Testament. It was never observed by Paul, the Apostles, the early true Christian church! The idea Jesus was born December 25th is one of the FABLES the Apostle Paul prophesied (II Timothy 4:4) would deceive the world in these latter days. The plain truth is, Christmas is NOT Christ's birthday at all! And this festival, important as it seems to so many, is not of Christian, but of pagan -- Babylonish -- origin! But does that make any difference? Isn't it all right to go ahead and observe it anyway? Isn't the "Christmas SPIRIT" a good and splendid thing, regardless of how it got started?

WE SHALL SEE!

Jesus NOT Born December 25th

Now let's look to the interesting PROOF! When was Jesus born? Jesus was not even born in the winter season! When the Christ-child was born "there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night," (Luke 2:8). This could never have occurred in Palestine in the month of December. The shepherds always corralled and brought their flocks from the mountain sides and fields not later than October 15, to protect them from the cold rainy season that followed that date. It was ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (mid-Spring), and bring them home at the commencement of the first rain, says Adam Clarke's Commentary, Vol. 5, page 592.

Continuing, this authority states: "during the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers to part of our October and November (begins mid October), we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground, the nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by night in the fields is a chronological fact. See quotations from the "Talmudists in Lightfoot."

Any encyclopedia, or any other authority, will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25. The Catholic Encyclopedia frankly states this fact. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely UNKNOWN, as all authorities acknowledge -- tho if I had space in this article I could show you Scriptures which at least strongly indicate that it was in the early Fall -- probably September -- approximately six months after Passover. If God had wished us to observe and celebrate Christ's birthday, He would not have so completely hidden the exact date.

What Encyclopedias Say

There is not one word in the New Testament, or anywhere in the Bible, telling us to observe Christmas. The Christians of the first century, under the inspired teachings of Peter, and Paul, and the Apostles, never observed it. There is NO BIBLE AUTHORITY for its observance, strange as it may seem. Then where did we get "Christmas?" Since it has come to us thru the Roman Catholic church, and has no authority but that of the Roman Catholic Church, let us examine the Catholic Encyclopedia, published by that Church. Under the caption "Christmas," you will find:

"Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church . . . the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt . . . Pagan customs, centering around the January calends, gravitated to Christmas." And, further, we find this truth acknowledged:

"In the Scripture, sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday."

Encyclopedia Britannica has this:

"Christmas (i.e., the Mass of Christ). Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the church." It was not instituted by Christ or the Apostles, or by Bible authority -- it was picked up afterward from paganism.

The Encyclopedia Americana says:

"CHRISTMAS. It was, according to many authorities, not celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian church, as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons, rather than their birth"

(The "Lord's Supper," which is instituted by New Testament Bible authority, is a memorial of the DEATH of Christ). "A feast was established in memory of this event (Christ's birth) in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ's birth existed."

HOW This Pagan Custom Got Into The Church

Now notice! These recognized historic authorities show Christmas was NOT observed by Christians for the first two or three hundred years -- a period longer than the entire history of the United States as a nation! It got into the Western, or Roman church, by the FOURTH Century A.D. It was not until the FIFTH century the Roman church ordered it to be celebrated as an official "Christian" festival! Then HOW did this heathen custom CREEP INTO a so-called Christianity? The Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia explains clearly, in its article on "CHRISTMAS."

"How much the date of the festival depended upon the Pagan Brumalia following the Saturnalia (Dec. 17-24) and celebrating the shortest day in the year and the New sun,' . . . cannot be accurately determined. The pagan Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence . . . . The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was so popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit and in manner. Christian preachers of the West and of the Near East protested against the unseemly frivolity which Christ's birthday was celebrated, while Christians of Mesopotamia accused their western brethren of idolatry and sun-worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival."

Remember, the Roman world had been PAGAN. Prior to the fourth century, Christians were few in number, tho increasing, and were persecuted by the government and by pagans. But, with the advent of Constantine as emperor, who made his profession of Christianity, in the fourth century, placing Christianity on an equal footing with paganism, people of the Roman world began to accept this now popular Christianity by the thousands and thousands.

But remember these people had grown up in PAGAN customs, chief of which was this idolatrous festival of December 25th. It was a festival of merry-making, with its special SPIRIT. They ENJOYED it! They didn't want to give it up! Now this same article in Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia explains how the recognition by Constantine of Sunday, which had been the day of pagan SUN-worship, and also the influence of the pagan Manichaeism, which identified the SON of God with the physical SUN, gave these pagans of the fourth century now turning over wholesale to "Christianity" their EXCUSE for calling their pagan-festival date of December 25th (birthday of the SUN-god) the birthday of the SON of God.

And that is how "Christmas" got into our so-called Christianity! We may call it by another NAME, but it's the same old pagan sun-worshipping festival still! The only CHANGE is in what we CALL IT! You can call a rabbit a "LION," but it's a RABBIT, just the same.

Again from the Britannica:

"Certain Latins, as early as 354, may have transferred the birthday from January 6th to December 25 which was then a Mithraic feast, the birthday of the unconquered SUN of Philocalus. The Syrians and Armenians, who clung to January 6th, accused the Romans of SUN-WORSHIP and IDOLATRY, contending that the feast of December 25th had been invented by disciples of Cerinthus."

The Real ORIGIN of Christmas

But if we got Christmas from the Roman Catholics, and they got it from Paganism, where did the Pagans get it? Where, when, and what was its real origin?

It is a chief custom of the corrupt system denounced all thru Bible prophecies and teachings under the name of BABYLON. And it started and originated in the original! Babylon of ancient Nimrod! Yes, it stems from roots whose beginning was shortly this side of the Flood! Nimrod, grandson of Ham, son of Noah, was the real founder of the Babylonish system that has gripped the world ever since -- the system of organized competition -- of man-ruled governments and empires, based upon the competitive and profit-making economic system. Nimrod built the Tower of Babel, the original Babylon, ancient Nineveh, many other cities. He organized the world's first kingdom. The name Nimrod, in Hebrew is "Marad," meaning "he rebelled."

From many ancient writings, considerable is learned of this man, who started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now. Nimrod was so evil, it is said he married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's untimely death, his mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary, she claimed, of his birth, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.

Thru her scheming and designing, Semiramis became the Babylonian "Queen of heaven," and Nimrod, under various names, became the "divine son of heaven." Thru the generations, in this idolatrous worship, Nimrod became the false Messiah, son of Baal the Sun-god. In this false Babylonish system, the "mother and Child," (Semiramis and Nimrod), became chief objects of worship. This worship of "Mother and Child" spread over the world. The names varied in different countries and languages. In Egypt, it was Isis and Osiris. In Asia Cybele and Deoius. In Pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiterpuer. Even in Greece, China, Japan, Tibet, are to be found the counterpart of the Madonna, long before the birth of Christ!

Thus, during the fourth and fifth centuries, when the pagans of the Roman world were "accepting" the new popular "Christianity" by hundreds of thousands and millions, carrying their old pagan customs and beliefs along with them, merely cloaking them with Christian-sounding NAMES, the Madonna, and "Mother and Child" idea also became popularized, especially at Christmas time. Every Christmas season you'll hear sung and chanted dozens of times the hymn "Silent Night, Holy Night," with its familiar "Mother and Child" theme. We, who have been born in such a babylonish world, reared and steeped in these things all our lives, have been taught to revere these things as holy, and sacred. WE NEVER QUESTIONED TO SEE WHERE THEY CAME FROM -- WHETHER THEY CAME FROM THE BIBLE, OR FROM PAGAN IDOLATRY! We are SHOCKED to learn the TRUTH -- some, unfortunately take offense at the PLAIN TRUTH! But God commands His faithful ministers, "CRY ALOUD, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and SHOW MY PEOPLE THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS!"

Shocking as thee facts are, they are the plain facts of history and the Bible! The real origin of Christmas goes back to the ancient Babylon. It is bound up in the organized apostasy with which Satan has gripped a deceived world these many centuries! In Egypt, it has always been believed the son of Isis (Egyptian name for "Queen of Heaven,") was born December 25th. Paganism celebrated this famous birthday over most of the known world for centuries before the birth of Christ. December 25th is NOT the birthday of Jesus, the true Christ! The Apostles and early true Church never celebrated Christ's birthday at any time. There is no command or instruction to celebrate it in the Bible -- rather, the celebrating of birthdays is a HEATHEN, not a Christian custom, believe it or not!

Nowhere does the Bible tell us to worship "Mother and Child." The Apostles and early true Christians never did it! The Scriptures show an angel saying to Mary, "Hail, thou art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women," -- tho the marginal reading explains the best original manuscripts (in Greek) omit this latter phrase. Elizabeth said to Mary, "Blessed art thou among women." And Mary herself said, "from henceforth all generations shall all me blessed," (Luke 1:28, 42, 48).

She was highly blessed by God, and this has been acknowledged by all generations from that time -- but this does not mean she is to be deified, worshipped, made a divine being, when she was merely human. The Roman Catholic worship of Mary, as "the mother of God," their doctrine of the immaculate conception, which refers to MARY'S divine birth, not that of Jesus, making of her a counterfeit mediatrix between man and God, is all continuation of this ancient Babylonian idolatry, begun by the clever deceptions of Semiramis, mother and wife of Nimrod! It is inextricably bound up with the "Christmas" idea! Thus the ancient idolatrous "Chaldean Mysteries" founded by this mother of Nimrod, have been handed down thru the pagan religions, into the Catholic Church under new Christian-sounding names, and from there into the Protestant denominations and on to all of us today!

Origin of Holly-wreath, Mistletoe, Yulelog

Now, where did we get this MISTLETOE custom? Among the ancient pagans the mistletoe was used at this festival of the winter solstice because it was considered sacred to the SUN, because of its supposed miraculous healing power. The pagan custom of kissing under the mistletoe was an early step in the night of revelry and drunken debauchery -- celebrating the death of the "old sun" and the birth of the new at the winter solstice. Mistletoe, sacred in pagan festivals, is a PARASITE! Holly berries were also considered sacred to the sun-god. The Yulelog is in reality the "sun log." "Yule" means "wheel," a pagan symbol of the sun. Yet today professing Christians speak of the "sacred YULE-TIDE season!" Even the lighting of fires and candles as a Christmas ceremony is merely a continuation of the pagan custom, encouraging the waning sun god as he reached the lowest place in the southern skies!

Yes, and Even SANTA CLAUS!

But surely dear old Santa Claus is not a creature of pagan birth? But he IS, and his real character is not so benevolent and holy as many suppose! The name "Santa Claus" is a corruption of the name "St. Nicholas," a Roman Catholic bishop who lived in the 5th century. Look in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 19, pages 6 and 9, where you'll read:

"St. Nicholas, bishop of Myra, . . . a saint honored by the Greeks and Latins on the sixth of December . . . . A legend of his surreptitious bestowal of dowries on the three daughters of an impoverished citizen . . . is said to have originated the old custom of giving presents in secret on the eve of St. Nicholas (December 6), SUBSEQUENTLY TRANSFERRED TO CHRISTMAS, hence the association of Christmas and Santa Claus."

Thru the year, parents punish their children for telling falsehoods. Then, at Christmas time, they themselves tell their little children this "Santa Claus" lie! Is it any wonder many of them, when they grow up and learn the truth, begin to believe God is a myth, too? One little fellow, sadly disillusioned about "Santa Claus," said to a playmate, "Yes, and I'm going to look into this Jesus Christ business,' too!" Is it CHRISTIAN to teach children myths and falsehoods? God says "Thou shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS!" It may seem right, and be justified by human reason, but God says "There is a way that seemeth RIGHT to a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of DEATH!" "Old Nick" also is a term for the devil! Is there a connection? Satan appears as an "angel of LIGHT," to deceive!

The Americana says:

"the holly, the mistletoe, the Yulelog, etc., are relics of pre-Christian times." "PAGANISM!" The book Answers to Questions, compiled by Frederick J. Haskins, found in public libraries, says: "The use of Christmas wreaths is believed by authorities to be traceable to the pagan customs of decorating buildings and places of worship at the feast which took place at the same time as Christmas. The Christmas tree is from Egypt, and its origin dates from a period long anterior to the Christmas era."

And so when we examine the facts, we are astonished to learn that the practice of observing Christmas is not, after all, a true Christian practice, but a Pagan custom -- one of the ways of BABYLON our people have fallen into!

What the Bible Says About the Christmas Tree!

But if the Bible is silent about telling us to observe CHRISTMAS, or recording any such observance by the Apostles or early true Church, it does have something to say about the Christmas tree! This will come as a real surprise to many. But here it is:

Jeremiah 10:1-6, "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen . . . for the customs of the people are vain; . . . for one cutteth a TREE out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and gold, they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not."

There is a perfect description of the Christmas tree, termed by the Eternal as "the way of the heathen -- the custom of the people." We are commanded NOT to learn that way or follow it! It is also viewed in this passage as idolatry. The fifth verse shows that these trees cannot speak -- cannot walk -- must be carried. "Be not afraid of them, for they (the trees) cannot do evil neither also is it in them to do good." They are not gods to be feared. Some people mis-read this to make it say there is no harm in having a Christmas tree, but that is not what it says.

Isn't Exchanging GIFTS Scriptural?

But when it comes to the most important part of all, in this Christmas observance the Christmas SHOPPING season -- the buying and exchanging of GIFTS -- many will exclaim triumphantly, "Well, at least the Bible tells us to do THAT! Didn't the wise men give gifts, when Christ was born?" Again, we are due for some SURPRISES, when we learn the PLAIN TRUTH! First, let's look at the historic origin of trading gifts back and forth, then see exactly what the Bible does say about it.

From the Bibliotheca Sacra, Vol 12, pages 153-155, we quote,

"The interchange of presents between friends is alike characteristic of Christmas and the Saturnalia, and must have been adopted by Christians from the Pagans, as the admonition of Tertullian plainly shows."

The fact is, this custom fastened upon people of exchanging gifts with friends and relatives at the Christmas season has not a single trace of Christianity about it! Strange tho that may seem! This does NOT celebrate Christ's birthday or honor it or Him! Suppose someone you love has a birthday. You want to honor that person on his or her birthday. Would you lavishly buy gifts for everyone else, trading gifts back and forth with all your other friends and loved ones, but IGNORING COMPLETELY any gift for the one whose birthday you are honoring? Rather absurd, when viewed in that light, isn't it?

Yet this is exactly what people the world over are doing! They honor a day that is not Christ's birthday by spending every dime they can scrape together in buying presents to trade back and forth among friends and relatives. But I can say by years of experience, as I believe most pastors and ministers can say, that when the month of December rolls around, almost all professing Christians forget to give gifts to CHRIST and HIS CAUSE almost altogether! December always is the most difficult month to keep CHRIST'S work from dying! People are too busy TRADING gifts back and forth among themselves to think of HIM and HIS WORK, it seems. Then, in January and even into February it seems they have to catch up from what they spent for Christmas, so they seldom get back to normal in supporting CHRIST and HIS WORK before March! Now consider what the Bible says about giving gifts when Christ was born. It is in Matthew 2:1-11,

"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, saying Where is he that is born King of the Jews?' . . . and when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary His mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto HIM gifts; gold and frankincense, and myrrh."

WHY Gifts Presented to Christ

Notice, they inquired for the child Jesus, who was born KING of the Jews! Now WHY did they present gifts to Him? Because it was His birthday? Not at all, because they came several days after His birthday! Was it to set an example for US, today, to trade gifts back and forth among ourselves? Not, notice carefully! -- they did not exchange gifts among themselves, but "they presented unto HIM gifts." They gave THEIR gifts to CHRIST, not to their friends, relatives, or one another! Now WHY? Let me quote from Adam Clarke's Commentary Vol. 5, page 46:

"Verse 11. (They presented unto him gifts). The people of the east never approach the presence of kings and great personages, without a present in their hands. The custom is often noticed in the Old Testament, and still prevails in the east, and in some of the newly discovered South Sea Islands."

There it is! They were not instituting a NEW Christian custom of exchanging gifts with friends to honor Christ's birthday. They were following an OLD and ANCIENT eastern custom of presenting gifts to a KING when they come into his presence. They were approaching Him, born KING of the Jews, in person. Therefore custom required they present GIFTS -- even as the Queen of Sheba brought gifts to Solomon -- even as many people today take a gift along when they visit the White House for an appointment with the President.

No, the custom of trading GIFTS back and forth does not stem from this Scriptural incident at all, but rather, as quoted from history above, it is the continuance of an ancient PAGAN custom. Instead of honoring Christ, it invariably RETARDS His work, sets it back, at the Christmas season every year!

We're IN BABYLON, and Haven't KNOWN IT!

Christmas has become a COMMERCIAL season. It's sponsored, kept alive, by the heaviest retail advertising campaigns of the year. You see a masqueraded "Santa Claus" in many stores. Ads keep us deluded and deceived about the "beautiful Christmas SPIRIT." The newspapers, who sell the ads, print flowery editorials exalting and eulogizing this pagan season, and its "spirit." A gullible people has become so inoculated, many take offense when told the TRUTH! But the "Christmas SPIRIT" is created each year, not to honor Christ, but to SELL MERCHANDISE! Like all Satan's delusions, it appears as an "angel of LIGHT," is made to appear GOOD. BILLIONS of DOLLARS are spent in this merchandising spree every year, while the CAUSE OF CHRIST must SUFFER! It's part of the economic system of BABYLON!

We are God's people ISRAEL! Yes, we're IN BABYLON, as Bible prophecy foretold, and we don't know it! "Come OUT of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her SINS, and that ye receive not of HER PLAGUES" -- now soon to fall, is the warning of Revelation 18:4. THIS YEAR, INSTEAD OF GIFT-TRADING, WHY NOT PUT THAT MONEY INTO GOD'S WORK, AND SEND YOUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES A COPY OF THIS ARTICLE, SO THEY'LL UNDERSTAND!


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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 06:14 PM
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8. pretty cool
and from a biblical scholar, too.

I wish more people cared about this kind of stuff. But let's face it: Xmas is all about the money now. And it has been for a very long time.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 06:16 PM
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10. Thank you for this info!
Even though I knew this, it helps to have something I can copy and past to save time while throwing some truth into the face of stupid Fundies.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 10:37 PM
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12. HWA was right on about many things. Read this stuff about xmas back in the late 70's.
It has stuck with me to this day. Xmas is nothing but social terrorism.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-11 04:10 PM
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13. Sorry yur granmother got a hard time, and make sure no one here
mentions "Zeitgeist the Movie" (A notable film, as I believe it has the distinction of being the only film ever forbidden to be mentioned on DU!)

First ten minutes (at least) of the movie explains how much of Christianity was "copped" from other ancient religions.




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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 05:59 PM
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7. "For he so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son
to amp-up the lagging retail numbers during the Winter months..."

I like you hyphenate, so I'm going to say a prayer that Jesus will stop with his bag of goodies and leave you a nice gift on Christmas. Maybe some nice lotto tickets.

Now, lotto tickets from Jesus have got to get you at least another free ticket. That's just how lotto-luck works. Especially how lucky they get when you flip them over and blow on each side of them while walking backwards out the liquor store.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-11 06:16 PM
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9. lol!
Thanks! A winning lottery ticket would be nice.

But my brother got me my Kindle Fire. That was really the only present I wanted, so I'm a happy camper!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-11 04:44 PM
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14. How do you like it? I love mine...
...My wife got if for me as a birthday present and it totally rocks...so I got her one for Xmas...sick deviant consumers that we are....:evilgrin:
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11. It's fucking social terrorism ...call the DoD now!
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