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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 06:53 AM
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The One Day Water Experiment
The One Day Water Experiment

Everyone from Anywhere are welcomed to participate.

Pick a day, and the night, before going to bed, place a piece of paper and pen next to your kitchen sink, in your bathrooms, laundry room - anywhere in your home where you would turn on a faucet to get water. Bring a piece of paper to work too. Include your family in this experiment.

The next morning - every time you turn on the water, whether it's at home or work, put a hash mark on the paper. Total up the marks before going to bed. This is how many times you and your family have accessed clean and safe water in one day.

If the water wasn't there - what would you do? How would it effect your life, your family budget? What changes in a daily routine and habits would you need to make? How much would it cost you to have clean water delivered? In Dimock, PA, water delivery for a family of 4 will cost about $100 PER DAY - this is just for the waterbuffalo tank, doesn't include water for drinking/cooking

Click here to enter your totals https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dHNSZGc4dFVkcERjd09YNkx4cW8zTXc6MQ#gid=0

The experiment ends midnight Dec 31, 2011. We'll give a couple extra days for people to enter their totals, and publish the results in Jan 2012

If you are on facebook - check out the event here https://www.facebook.com/events/247412948656422/
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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 08:05 AM
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1. bump
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:17 AM
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2. I love your sig line. Welcome to DU! K&R nt
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 09:18 AM by jtrockville
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:46 AM
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3. "In Dimock, PA, water delivery for a family of 4 will cost about $100 PER DAY"
I think I missed something. What is going in Dimock, PA? Is there something wrong with the water there?
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DocMac Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:48 AM
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4. Fracking. n/t
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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:03 AM
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7. Dimock - reader digest version
about 3 years ago, Cabot Oil&Gas had a blowout at a well site on Carter Road

about 20 families had their well water (only source of fresh water) contaminated. Pennylvania DEP (Don't Expect Protection) tested water, traced it back to Cabot well and ordered them to fix wells and supply water to families.

a few months ago, Cabot put a pile of money in a fund, the families could take money for a settlement, but the families were limited to 2x the ASSESSED VALUE of their home - NOT today's market price - the ASSESSED VALUE AT THE TIME THEY ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE HOME.

7 or 8 families took the deal - the remaining 10-11 are still suing Cabot because the water is still contaminated.

Cabot was delivering water to each family until end of November this year, when DEP said OK don't have to do it any more

watch - Living with Contamination -the Sautners
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguZeI35fXI&feature=related
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB55zEC3MCc&feature=related

Victoria Switzer - another Dimock resident with fracked up water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dv27iPypXs


other videos regarding dimock/water well contamination
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dimock+pa&oq=dimock+pa&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=111216l116061l0l116359l9l8l0l2l2l0l265l516l2-2l2l0


see also RON GULLA, he lives on west side of state http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twcSkD8EQpI


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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:12 AM
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8. Messing with people's water is really fucked up.
Thanks for posting this.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:42 AM
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15. Anyone know why DEP said Cabot could stop providing clean water?
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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:56 PM
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18.  DEP’s Dimock Decision Based On 2010 Agreement, Not Water Quality

DEP’s Dimock Decision Based On 2010 Agreement, Not Water Quality
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2011/12/08/deps-dimock-decision-based-on-2010-agreement-not-water-quality/

DEP’s deci­sion allow­ing Cabot to stop pro­vid­ing water to Dimock res­i­dents had noth­ing to do with whether or not methane lev­els have increased or decreased at the affected water wells. “The didn’t require DEP to deem the water safe before per­mit­ting Cabot to stop deliv­er­ing water,” explained depart­ment spokes­woman Katy Gresh via email.

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and now you know why we say DEP - Don't Expect Protection

after you are done screaming WTF?????

read this
hydroquest report on dimock water
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B9tP1cRHZ8J_ODFhYmQzOWItYjk3MS00ZDljLTkyNmUtMThiYmE4ZTZjNjU1&hl=en_US
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:39 PM
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19. Unbelievable. And yes... WTF? But your acronym... it isn't totally true...
Seems like Cabot can expect protection, even though the citizens and the water supply won't get any.
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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:52 PM
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20. sort of true
for the corporation in PA, their protection derives from the Governor's Office, or the DCP - Department of Corporation Protection

This is the first in a series of articles - Part 2 will be published on/about jan 1, 2012
Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 1
By Dory Hippauf
You Can’t Tell the Players Without a Scorecard!

http://commonsense2.com/2011/12/naturalgasdrilling/connecting-the-dots-the-marcellus-natural-gas-play-players-part-1/

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:55 AM
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5. I grew up having to pack water...
It was before we dug our well...Five gallons can go a lot further than you might think..
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:59 AM
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6. The good people of Dimock, PA are being ripped off
Prices are WAY lower in Washington, PA.

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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:16 AM
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9. We were without city water for awhile due to well problems
they provided drinking and non-drinking for toilet flushing etc. What a relief when the water came back on.
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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:33 AM
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11. Dimock and other towns in PA do not have town/municipal water
Dimock and other towns in PA do not have town/municipal water, they depend on water wells on their own property.

When a well goes bad - they have no water.

How many homes in PA have fracked up water? We really don't know. DEP (Don't Expect Protection) doesn't track it, gassers won't say and families receiving water from gasser can't say because of non-disclosure agreement.

I'm waiting for some credible verification, although I believe the source when he told me a buddy of his delivers water to homes in Bradford County PA and makes about 150 deliveries per week. That's 1 water truck, 1 driver - 150 deliveries per week to homes in one small area. And there are more water trucks doing the same all over PA. The water is being paid for by gas corp at the moment.

The decision by DEP to allow Cabot to stop water deliveries to the 11 families in Dimock also sets a dangerous precident. It sends the message than any gasser can cut off water supplies and the DEP will look the other way.

Meanwhile - Follow the money, connect the dots. Part II will be published in Jan-2012
Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 1
http://commonsense2.com/2011/12/naturalgasdrilling/connecting-the-dots-the-marcellus-natural-gas-play-players-part-1/
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:23 AM
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10.  Private corporations are in the process of buying up the rights to the major freshwater supplies
on earth. And, predictably, prices for life-sustaining water are soaring in areas where there is corporate ownership of water.

One more urgent reason we need to realize that we must stop the corporate purchase of our government:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1717490
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=56736

Water as Basic Human Right Has a Market Price, Says U.N. Chief
By Thalif Deen

UNITED NATIONS, Aug 3, 2011 (IPS) - As the 193-member General Assembly commemorates the first anniversary of its landmark resolution pronouncing water and sanitation to be a basic human right, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon triggered a political controversy last week when he implicitly declared that even human rights have a market price.

"Let us be clear," he asserted, "a right to water and sanitation does not mean that water should be free."
....
But what if member states transfer their obligations to the private sector, known to extract a heavy price - even from those who cannot afford to pay in the world's poorer nations? ....

But the reality is far different from the platitudes of the secretary-general, says a new report released by Food and Water Watch.

According to the study, private operations can create obstacles to the human right to affordable and accessible water and sanitation services.

In Guayaquil, Ecuador, water prices increased by 180 percent after the water system was taken over by Interagua, a subsidiary of Bechtel.

....(more at link)
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Frack Glop Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:34 AM
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12. google T Boone Pickens and MESA Water
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:34 AM
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13. Right on. k&r
Years ago I realized the need will get more and more desperate, more people will be fighting for it. I've been finding ways to waste less, and I will never take water for granted.
I know I'm lucky to have clean water at all, so many people don't.

TY for these links, this is a good idea!
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:42 AM
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14. I've already "done" that experiment many times....
We have well water, which means there's a pump.

If the power goes out, the pump doesn't work.

If the pump doesn't work, we have no water.

Last time there was a significant problem was a few years ago during a major ice storm in the area. No power for three days.


Last week the water heater broke. Well, not the heater itself...just the blower motor thing on top. It took a week to get the replacement part, which went on in less than ten minutes.

No hot water for a week, but I didn't care so much because we still had water, even if it was cold.

Anyway, I feel fortunate not to have to depend on city water that might be full of who-knows-what.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:10 PM
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16. having lived for yrs without running water (town and country), I very much appreciate it
People should live a while without running water of any sort, then with only cold. And without electricity to experience what it is like to live without something so many take for granted.

I lived in a town with a municipal well that everyone hauled water from as water lines were out of the question due to environment (AK interior). I lived without running water in AK (got it from a river) and WA (hauled it from friend's and from a local gas station).

There is something magical about turning a knob and having safe water come out.

thank you for this post, k&r
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:53 PM
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17. Yep, as I slid from middle class to homeless, I saw that water was
going to be my biggest issue. I've managed to bring my water usage down to a gallon and a half a day for everything except clothes laundering. That's for a woman and a border collie, drinking, washing, cooking, and dishes. Some days I'm even under a gallon, depending on food prep & # of dishes and such. I don't use water for bathing anymore, using instead an oil & scrape method for everything except my hair, which I wash 2X a week in the allotted gallons.

Now that I sort of have access to all the water I might want, I've just now gotten in the habit on not wasting so much, and I'm not exactly flush yet, so I may yet lose that access to easy water. It took the last 3 months while I was still in my house to figure how to get my water usage down so low. Perhaps since I'm still not certain that I won't be homeless again tomorrow, I figure I better stay in the habit of needing and using as little as possible.

As to the experiment. They should also hashmark for everytime they flush a toilet. Though I suppose toilet water doesn't need to be drinkable quality, it in fact uses that same store of accessible water.
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