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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:22 AM
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Is Obama Embracing OWS?
from Ari Berman at The Nation: http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143257894/the-nation-is-obama-embracing-new-populism


Is Obama Embracing New Populism?

____ It's become a cliche to say that Occupy Wall Street has changed our country's political conversation. But if you want to know exactly how the Occupy movement has impacted the debate in Washington, read Barack Obama's speech in Osawatomie, Kansas, today . . .

Obama's pivot away from austerity orthodoxy and toward public investment began with his jobs speech in September, but he's subsequently sharpened his language and focus in recent months in response to pressure from Occupy Wall Street. He's now tackling issues of basic fairness and attacking the GOP's brand of "your-on-your-own economics" in a much more direct way. His nod to Teddy Roosevelt, who delivered his "New Nationalism" speech in Osawatomie in 1910, could not have come at a more appropriate time.

Here's the relevant section: (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/06/remarks-president-economy-osawatomie-kansas)

"Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt's time, there's been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. "The market will take care of everything," they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes — especially for the wealthy — our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn't trickle down, they argue, that's the price of liberty.

It's a simple theory — one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here's the problem: It doesn't work. It's never worked. It didn't work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It's not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn't work when we tried it during the last decade.

Remember that in those years, in 2001 and 2003, Congress passed two of the most expensive tax cuts for the wealthy in history, and what did they get us? The slowest job growth in half a century. Massive deficits that have made it much harder to pay for the investments that built this country and provided the basic security that helped millions of Americans reach and stay in the middle class — things like education and infrastructure; science and technology; Medicare and Social Security.

Remember that in those years, thanks to some of the same folks who are running Congress now, we had weak regulation and little oversight, and what did that get us? Insurance companies that jacked up people's premiums with impunity, and denied care to the patients who were sick. Mortgage lenders that tricked families into buying homes they couldn't afford. A financial sector where irresponsibility and lack of basic oversight nearly destroyed our entire economy.

We simply cannot return to this brand of your-on-your-own economics if we're serious about rebuilding the middle class in this country. We know that it doesn't result in a strong economy. It results in an economy that invests too little in its people and its future. It doesn't result in a prosperity that trickles down. It results in a prosperity that's enjoyed by fewer and fewer of our citizens.

Look at the statistics. In the last few decades, the average income of the top one percent has gone up by more than 250%, to $1.2 million per year. For the top one hundredth of one percent, the average income is now $27 million per year. The typical CEO who used to earn about 30 times more than his or her workers now earns 110 times more. And yet, over the last decade, the incomes of most Americans have actually fallen by about six percent.

This kind of inequality – a level we haven't seen since the Great Depression — hurts us all. When middle-class families can no longer afford to buy the goods and services that businesses are selling, it drags down the entire economy, from top to bottom. America was built on the idea of broad-based prosperity — that's why a CEO like Henry Ford made it his mission to pay his workers enough so that they could buy the cars they made. It's also why a recent study showed that countries with less inequality tend to have stronger and steadier economic growth over the long run.

Inequality also distorts our democracy. It gives an outsized voice to the few who can afford high-priced lobbyists and unlimited campaign contributions, and runs the risk of selling out our democracy to the highest bidder. And it leaves everyone else rightly suspicious that the system in Washington is rigged against them – that our elected representatives aren't looking out for the interests of most Americans.

More fundamentally, this kind of gaping inequality gives lie to the promise at the very heart of America: that this is the place where you can make it if you try. We tell people that in this country, even if you're born with nothing, hard work can get you into the middle class; and that your children will have the chance to do even better than you. That's why immigrants from around the world flocked to our shores.

And yet, over the last few decades, the rungs on the ladder of opportunity have grown farther and farther apart, and the middle class has shrunk. A few years after World War II, a child who was born into poverty had a slightly better than 50-50 chance of becoming middle class as an adult. By 1980, that chance fell to around 40%. And if the trend of rising inequality over the last few decades continues, it's estimated that a child born today will only have a 1 in 3 chance of making it to the middle class.

It's heartbreaking enough that there are millions of working families in this country who are now forced to take their children to food banks for a decent meal. But the idea that those children might not have a chance to climb out of that situation and back into the middle class, no matter how hard they work? That's inexcusable. It's wrong. It flies in the face of everything we stand for."


. . . (That) will entail, however, a shift not only in rhetoric, but also in policy for a party and president that has too often been seen as prioritizing Wall Street over Main Street. Nor is it realistic to think that the Obama campaign will suddenly win over disaffected former supporters with a series of speeches.

. . . It's still an open question whether he'll end up on the right or the wrong side of this movement. But today Obama took an important step in Occupy's direction.

read more: http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143257894/the-nation-is-obama-embracing-new-populism


I think that elections are where we make the most progress on the issues we advocate for. There's lots of legislative initiatives and progress that's owed to positions politicians were pressured into taking in an election season. This time around we have a peoples movement in the streets to put the fire under these candidates. We should expect as much attention from them as we demand.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:32 AM
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1. It's the whole 'talk is cheap' adage...
Unfortunately in an election year, it is not.

Do I truly, honestly without hesitation want to believe that the Democrats are embracing the message of Occupy? Why wouldn't I want to?! However, in my short span of political awareness, a decade of cynicism has created a sense of extreme caution. I know that a positive followed by a negative is defeatist, however I'm just expressing my emotions on the situation.

I'm one of those folks who are going to 'reluctantly' vote for Democrats in 2012, it's the ONLY option.

However a perfect example of why I am so overly cautious about potential pandering has already made itself perfectly clear:

In a message by Pelosi yesterday, she claimed that Occupy 'is helping enhance the Democrats' national message'

I know a great deal of Occupiers who would disagree with that statement, but whatever...

What will help me personally believe that the Democrats are embracing OWS would be to immediately and unrepentingly denounce the arrests at OccupySF last night. Period.

Not two day, weeks or months from now, TODAY.

I need a little show of faith again before I can blindly accept that the work that I am doing is going to benefit US; not the power structure within the Democratic party.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:36 AM
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2. Obama, like every other politician campaigning, will embrace some of the rhetoric.
It's highly unlikely that he will actually embrace acting on behalf of the 99%.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:48 AM
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5. he's gonna have a good bit of that 99% pulling for him
. . . a majority of Democrats have already expressed support for many of his policies and actions so far. Just as many, if not more, support the initiatives he's outlined and presented to the obstructive Congress.

I don't think it's realistic to expect '99%' approval, anyhow. That's just not going to happen for ANY candidate or ANY politician.

At any rate, we should have learned by now, that what he does manage to get accomplished (for the 1%, 99%, or anyone else) isn't going to happen on his initiative alone. That reality was expressed very succinctly in his address.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 08:23 PM
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30. I never expected "99%" approval.
I do think he's going to have a hard time pulling many of the sub-groups in that 99% he's thrown under the bus in the last 4 years.

He expresses many things in speeches that he doesn't back up in practice. It's not what he says, but what he does, and doesn't do, that counts with me.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:40 AM
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3. I'd like to see that, as well
If it hasn't come by now, I wouldn't expect it.

I will say, though, that I'm more than willing to give credit and props for concrete progress -- and even for dedicated support given against an entrenched opposition in Congress -- to ideals and initiatives complimenting OWS' efforts which can be advanced into action or law.

I won't hold my breath for the other, tho.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 08:24 PM
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31. So much word
:(
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:41 AM
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4. Leadership?
It is more like finding which way the parade is headed and then rushing to get in front of it.

Using the words of Presidents Roosevelts is not the same as becoming a bold leader.

Which is what we need.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 09:50 AM
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6. don't believe that those presidents weren't reaching for their own inspiration
. . . from the past. TR quoted Lincoln in his 'New Nationalism' speech that the President is referencing.

I can just hear it . . . 'That Teddy Roosevelt's no Lincoln!'
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 10:44 AM
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10. Indeed, it's not about the words.
TR took on the trusts.
FDR took on Wall Street.

I have yet to see Pres. Obama actually propose anything as daring as those two presidents.

When he proposes breaking-up the mega-banks, for instance, then I'll ascribe substance to his words.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:01 PM
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22. Yeah, he certainly doesn't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows, does he?
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 10:05 AM
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7. I don't care about Obama's words (or anyone else's)
I care about his actions. I'll reserve judgment until I see what he does.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 10:07 AM
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8. Lip service rather than a genuine embrace. nt
And after the election, will he respect OWS in the morning? Or will he just screw them over and leave?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 10:34 AM
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9. I think there is more to Obama and OWS than meets the eye.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 10:49 AM
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11. I like waht Campaign Obama says
I'm waiting to see what President Obama does.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:07 AM
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12. You're joking, right? After Obama allowed OWS members' civil
rights to be repeatedly and routinely violated, you're asking if he 'embraces' OWS? Well, that's like the embrace of an abusive spouse after he or she has committed domestic abuse.

Obama's (and his Junta's) silence said it all. Nothing further remains to be said.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:10 AM
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13. well,
. . . there is the matter of the policies that are at the heart of the protest movement. I suppose we should be talking about those.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:14 AM
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14. Bigtree, people were shot with rubber bullets and pepper sprayed
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 11:33 AM by coalition_unwilling
for exercising their constitutional rights and their president stayed silent.

What part of 'silence equals consent' don't you get?

Enough said, I suppose.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:22 AM
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15. the violence and the administration's response is one thing
. . . and the economic initiatives and principles of the movement as a whole is another.

I don't think most folks are going to reject any progress on or support for economic initiatives advocated by the movement from this President just because he hasn't muscled his way into state and local law enforcement issues. I'd personally like to see him weigh in, but I'd also be satisfied to see some progress on his economic initiatives, many of which would go a long way in satisfying some of OWS's demands.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:32 AM
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17. So back to your title and its presumably un-ironic use of the
term 'embracing'.

Obama's pollsters are telling him that, even after all the propaganda deployed against it, OWS retains a 35-40% approval rating in the polls, compared to a Congress that ranges between 9-15% approval. Obama's late-in-the-day adoption of economic populism for his campaign is hardly the same thing as 'embracing' OWS and more like trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing by holding a finger up to the wind.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:42 AM
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18. you know the article is skeptical as well
glad you answered though.

It's hardly surprising for politicians to take positions in an election season. But I do see value in having SOME of them paying heed to some of the movement's principles and initiatives. You're just not going to get 100% of anything you want from our political system, so it makes no sense to me to just brush off the acknowledgement the President is making just because it's 'politics' in an election year. This is likely the ONLY chance advocates will have to move this WH (and other campaigning legislators) in their direction. Elections are traditionally the place where ideals and initiatives gain support enough to advance. It would be a waste to stand back from all of that and not endeavor to keep pushing them forward.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:48 AM
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19. I had hoped to see Occupy Los Angeles move in the direction of
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 11:49 AM by coalition_unwilling
focusing on electoral politics after the start of 2012. The raid, and the connivance of local and state Dem officials with it, has forced all of us to re-assess our belief in the electoral process to change anything that matters.

I suppose this reflects the perpetual tension between the reformist and revolutionary wings of progressivism. For the record, just as the French Revolution smashed the power of the First Estate (the hereditary aristocracy) in 1789, I want OWS to smash the power of the rich in our society because I feel the rich no longer serve a valid social function (if they ever did) and, if anything, are now anti-social (read 'sociopathic').

Now, granted, I do not speak for OWS nor, probably, even for a majority of OWS participants. But I know I speak for more than a few in the movement. We don't feel like Obama has 'embraced' us or our positions in any meaningful way.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:51 AM
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20. And this administration defends corrupt banks
They are doing everything they can to pressure state attorney generals for settlements that prevent criminal prosecutions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1795232
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:58 AM
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21. I'd like to think the homeowners whose homes are protected in those settlements
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 11:59 AM by bigtree
. . . would have the same result if there wasn't a settlement. I'm just not so sure.

I understand the need to punish the criminality behind the mortgage lending, but I would like to see the homeowners' retention of their houses at the center of any action by the Justice Dept. I wouldn't want their homes to be taken away while the Justice Dept. parries with the lenders.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:30 PM
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23. There is absolutely no reason that prosecution of crimes needs to preclude helping homeowners.
Edited on Wed Dec-07-11 12:31 PM by woo me with science
None.

This false choice between keeping people in their homes OR prosecuting is a corporate/right wing talking point.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:41 PM
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25. any thing you disagree with you label a 'a corporate/right wing talking point'
. . . in my view, having been at the receiving end of your ignorant little labeling one time too many, you're not worth my listening to anymore, much less responding to.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:44 PM
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26. Agreed
The two are only barely related. The foreclosed are victims, the bankers are the ones that used credit default swaps, wildly risky derivatives, and packaged poisonous prodcuts. Giving them money did not really prevent many foreclosures.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:23 AM
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16. Oh, brother. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:35 PM
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24. Ain't that the truth. nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:49 PM
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29. Crazy, eh?
:silly:
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:44 PM
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27. Obama has only been stating these same positions since 2007.
When it comes to this President saying something populist, everytime is apparently the first time.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 12:49 PM
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28. Yeah. In the same way that GM tries to "embrace" the UAW.
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malthaussen Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 08:30 PM
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32. Yeah, like a porcupine makes love
Mr Obama is a proponent of the American Dream. Said dream is incompatible with the objectives of OWS, which is not concerned with creating upward mobility but stopping downward mobility. Frankly, I think Mr Obama does not understand the movement, but he is certainly willing to exploit it for whatever he can get. He's a politician, after all.

-- Mal
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