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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:28 AM
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Why are Tea Party folks called 'Activists' while OWS supporters are labeled 'Protesters' ?
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 11:48 AM by Chipper Chat
Here are some piks of those dear, sweet, peace-loving 'activists':
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28639.html
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-oAhS8JrIrqta...




Tea Party Protests: 'Ni**er,' 'Fa**ot' Shouted At Members Of Congress
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:29 AM
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1. Their asses are on average 50% larger?
that is my guess.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:31 AM
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2. Because the Tea stuff was astro-turfed/sanctioned by corporate...
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 11:31 AM by NRaleighLiberal
meaning MSM.

And OWS is grass roots/scares the crap out of the powers that be

at least that's my suspicion.

It's all about the spin to influence the public perception. Follow the money.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:32 AM
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3. I suspect because they are actively involved with the political process
and are identified with a particular cause, party or position. That's how the term seems to be generally used.

The tea baggers are a political movement - OWS as a whole isn't as far as I can see.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:50 AM
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11. The Tea Party are political activists trying to take over the Republican Party grassroots apparatus
The Occupy movement does not seem to be trying to take over the Democratic Party.

The Occupy movement also uses the term "protest" to describe itself.

Sunday, November 20th:
2:00pm: 24 hour "Occupy Bloomberg's Mansion Drum Circle Protest And Love-In Art Show " in front of Billionaire Bloomberg's massive mansion on 17 East 79th Street. Details Here

http://occupywallst.org /
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:10 PM
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16. Fox talking points aside,
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 12:11 PM by The Doctor.
One of the things that you're obviously not keen on discussing is how these two very different groups were generated.

First of all, you DO realize that the 'Tea Party' was a corporate-sponsored movement while OWS is entirely the opposite, right?

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:16 PM
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17. I was just referring to how the media generally uses the terms.
you seem to be taking my comments very personally - perhaps you need to find a forum that doesn't allow a wide range of views. Echo chambers are very soothing I have heard.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:29 PM
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18. Woah, slow down there trigger.

Nothing personal going on. Just asked a question.

I do find it interesting that you believe the notion that the Tea Party is not a corporate sponsored movement is merely a 'different view'. It's one thing to to be outside of an 'echo chamber', it's entirely another to be outside of reality.

So is there an actual reason you believe that the 'Tea Party' was not corporate sponsored, or were just ducking the question?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:54 PM
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19. So "Fox talking points" is not an insult? Pull the other one.
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 01:55 PM by hack89
of course the TP is corporate sponsored.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 03:00 PM
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20. See, that wasn't so hard to answer, was it?
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 03:02 PM by The Doctor.
Thing is, the 'Tea Party' isn't a 'political movement' in any greater sense than any corporate lobbying effort is. OTOH, OWS is as much a political movement as any attempt to change the paradigm or status quo. If you do not believe that OWS movement is a political movement, then by the standard you've imposed, neither was the Equal Rights movement.

If your criteria requires a leader, then the Tea Party cannot be considered a 'political movement' either as they had dozens of opportunists but no actual 'leader', as evidenced by the many different factions much as we see with OWS.


But your original response begs this question; "What makes you think that OWS isn't 'actively involved with the political process'?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 04:41 PM
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21. The Civil Rights movement succeed because it directly influenced the political process.
They worked.very hard to lobby Congress and the White House. They also collaborated in drafting key legislation. I think the civil rights movement is.an excellent model for OWS.

For all your disdain for the Tea Party, let's not forget that they have convinced millions they are a legitimate grass roots movement. They can muster just as many people as OWS and.they have real political power - they have to be respected as an enemy.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 05:00 PM
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22. Hah. What a crock.

The Tea Party barely has the wherewithall to tie its shoes without corporate direction. It can't 'muster' shit and the only 'real political power' it has is giving cover to corporate-sponsored politicians. That's why the teabaggers will never actually get what they want.

OWS, otoh, has 'real political power' because any politician they get behind won't need corporate cash and will do the will of their actual constituency.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:17 PM
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25. Believe what you wish
we will see who is right next November.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:12 PM
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26. I believe in demonstrable reality and what can be arrived at through sound reasoning thereupon.

Therefore, I'm spot on the money and we will indeed 'see' next November.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:44 PM
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27. If you say so. nt
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 03:14 PM
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28. I just did.
Since you understand that the Tea Party is a corporate creation, then you must understand that it is no more a 'political movement' than any lobbying group is.

OWS has all the earmarks of an actual political movement, and is just as valid as those in the past which were also ignored at first, but then embraced by policy makers.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 03:24 PM
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29. Would you like another opportunity for the final word? nt
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 04:47 PM
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30. Sure, why not?

Are you trying to say you don't have anything to say? Didn't realize.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 06:40 PM
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32. No - just curious how far I can string you along. nt
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 08:30 PM
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33. Or I you.
You may, of course, have the last word as you've had nothing to say for a while now.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:38 PM
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34. After your bombastic boast of reality and reason
Edited on Mon Nov-21-11 10:38 PM by hack89
there was not much left for me to say.

Experience tells me that people that flat out tell me how brilliant they are aren't really worth engaging. Smug arrogance is an effective shield against reason.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 05:01 PM
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23. Dupe.
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 05:01 PM by The Doctor.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:33 AM
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4. And too, the 1% can buy anything they want....
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:37 AM
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5. Ever notice the wealthy who are mentally ill are never described that way?
If you are rich it is described as eccentric behavior.

No one who is poor with mental illness ever gets described as exhibiting eccentric behavior.

Just one of the perks of being wealthy I guess?

Don
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:39 AM
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6. Because if the Teabaggers understood they were promoting the interests of the corporatocracy
they might demand that they get paid.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:50 AM
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12. That's a joke right?
No sentence that states 'the Teabaggers understood...' can be serious.

No, these people are stupid and utterly clueless about who put them up to their idiocy and how.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:40 AM
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7. Because they're RepubliCONs, of course! n/t
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:41 AM
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8. Anti-Capitalist Activists
That's how The Economist magazine refers to them.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:42 AM
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9. The corporate media manipulators are part of the 1%.
It's in their best interests to present the Teabaggers as "activists," and the OWSers as "protestors."
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:48 AM
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10. For the same reason Yahoo News called African Americans "looters" after Katrina
but said white people were "finding" food.

Someone please post a screenie of that, I have to get ready for work soon...
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:53 AM
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15. Here it is. I remember this shocking story.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:50 AM
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13. Simple answer. The people OWS are protesting fund the "Tea Party",
much of the media, and campaigns of the politicians.
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:52 AM
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14. Pfft, cause they didn't have an awesome drum circle.

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 05:10 PM
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24. Better to be called "protesters"
because that's exactly what they're doing--protesting income inequality.
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Youth Uprising Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 04:50 PM
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31. I hadn't noticed that subtle framing by the MSM.
Nice catch.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:51 PM
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35. How much does it really matter?
Edited on Mon Nov-21-11 10:51 PM by RZM
Personally I don't consider 'activists' to be any better or worse than 'protesters.' I'd bet if you focus-grouped the two words you'd get approximately even results and maybe even a slight advantage toward 'protester,' since some people associate 'activists' with tunnel-vision zealotry and 'protesters' with opposing injustice (Arab Spring, 1989, Tianamen Square, etc.)
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