Saudi women to cover “tempting” eyes

[Bosonic]

Source: AsiaNews

Riyadh (AsiaNews) – Saudi women with attractive eyes may be forced to cover them up, said Sheikh Motlab al Nabet, a spokesman for Saudi Arabia's Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV), better known as the religious police or Mutaween.

The report appeared on the news website Bikya Masr. In it, al Nabet is quoted as saying the committee had the right to stop women revealing "tempting" eyes in public.

The decision was taken after a man was reportedly hospitalised after a fight with a committee member who told his wife to cover her eyes.

Women in Saudi Arabia already have to cover their hair, and, in some regions, their faces while in public. If they do not, they face punishments including fines and public floggings.

Read more: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Saudi-women-to-cover-%E2%80%9Ctempting%E2%80%9D-eyes-23212.html

[newfie11]

1. How do men get away with this shit

I would love to see that reversed on them! ASSHOLES!

[OnlinePoker]

10. When the men have all the power, they can make all the rules...

...no matter how reprehensible those rules are.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. My husband likes my eyes. He doesn't want them covered. n/t

[redqueen]

26. Neither did this woman's husband.

It was some other idiot who blames women for the actions (or thoughts) of men (most likely himself) who refuse to grow up.

[Major Nikon]

66. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were describing Herman Cain

[Betty]

2. who gets to decide which women have "tempting eyes"?

what a bunch of shitheads.

[BlueToTheBone]

16. That was my question. All eyes are alluring. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. "All eyes are alluring."

totally alluring



:hide:

[pennylane100]

31. that looks like marty feldman

he was a very funny comedian.

[BlueToTheBone]

37. Now that's a beautiful picture.

He either has the most incredible muscle control or his view of life is very different than most.
:hi:

[Cid_B]

38. Change of plans..

Gonna drink and watch "Young Frankenstein"

[11 Bravo]

51. "Damn your eyes!" ... "Too late."

[vidalarosa]

85. who gets to decide which women have "tempting eyes"

maybe they'll start a tempting eyes police force now

[DesertFlower]

3. how are they supposed to see? i wonder

how they can breathe under the burka.

[yesphan]

4. All the women (and girls)

should just leave Saudi Arabia. That way the poor men won't be tempted by them.

[BlueToTheBone]

17. Of course, they can't leave the house without a man

taking them around and driving is out of the question; so it would be more than difficult for them to leave.

[WinkyDink]

63. On foot?

[No Elephants]

5. Since the men are so easily tempted by what they see, THEYare the ones who should be covering their

eyes.

Meanwhile, I hear Saudi women are tempted by men's hair, brows, faces, necks, arms, hands, legs. feet, abs and crotches, so I think Saudi men should don shrouds.

[Kurmudgeon]

6. Are all men over there animals, unable to control themselves?

[SoCalDem]

15. apparently

:(

[OnionPatch]

56. The more they hide the women, the more exiting the smallest glimpse of the body becomes.

But then it's not really so much about men not being able to control themselves, it's about keeping the women in control. If no one flirts with your woman, then she will never have a chance to leave you. What insecure little men they must be who want to enforce this.

[beac]

57. Funny how the solution is never to

cut off the "tempted" penis, isn't it?

[treestar]

59. When they come to the US, it's amazing how they

apparently control themselves.

Under much worse "temptation."

[Javaman]

7. In a recent related developement...

Emergency rooms in the saudi arabia are now over flowing with concussions from women unable to see where they are going.

--------

the water is boiling, just when will it boil over.

It's coming. not a matter of if but when.

[dipsydoodle]

11. Indeed

Maybe they could just wear Raybans instead :shrug:

[BlueMTexpat]

78. Ah, but Raybans wouldn't cover "tempting" noses, mouths and,

most "tempting" of all, chins! The more the merrier.

[MilesColtrane]

32. The royals will make the crackdown in Syria look like a good talking too.

People who have more to lose are willing to take more extreme measures.

And, they'll be killing their own people with weapons we sold to them.

[Javaman]

35. No kidding...

after what they did to help the royals in Bahrain, I have no doubt it would be a bloody mess.

the old bastards need to die already.

[woo me with science]

8. I guess driving is really out of the question then.

Pigs.

[ensho]

9. the religiously insane men that run Saudi should be rounded up

and placed into locked mental wards.

when will Saudi women and men say enough is enough?

[leftyladyfrommo]

40. Near Eastern men must get sexually aroused by everything.

I read an interesting book one time by a journalist in the Near East. He said what is never mentioned is the homosexual activity of the men - not because they are homosexual but because they have no access to women. The men have to all have sex with each other.

That is so weird.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

47. This has nothing to do with religion.

It's about power. And the inability to accept responsibility for their lack of self control. Both of which are frowned upon in their religion, but they blame it on Muhammad because most people don't know and don't care to find out what their religion REALLY says or teaches.

[ensho]

84. it has everything to do with religion!

how can you possibly say it doesn't??

[leftynyc]

12. Motherfuckers

My heart goes out to all the women there who have to live under these circumstances - all in the name of "religion".

[lunatica]

13. Men have teh balls so they have teh power

Everybody knows that.

[trusty elf]

14. ..........

[thelordofhell]

34. Look at those exposed hands!!

Harlots!!

[Auntie Bush]

42. But they have no power to control their penis'.

No power to keep their pants zipped.
No power to control their thoughts.
No power to control their emotions.
They are just weaklings with weak limp appendages.
They = Saudi men

[freshwest]

45. Nailed it.

[Liquorice]

48. That's incredible. There are just no words for this stupidity. nt

[Atypical Liberal]

18. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

[snooper2]

20. One big shithole of a country

[pscot]

21. Run by fanatical religious morons

[leftyladyfrommo]

41. I can't imagine any western women every wanting to eve visit.

You could end up getting stoned to death for something you didn't even know was against the law - like just letting an inch of your leg show.

[uppityperson]

54. Visiting western women are, in many cases, treated differently.

Of course they are all whores... :sarcasm:
In some places they are treated as western men. Looked down upon for doing work that Saudis wouldn't dream of having to do. Like build roads, maintain airports, be doctors, even janitors. The shame!

[rjj621]

22. Not surprising from a region that seems one evolutionary

rung above a neanderthal.

[hifiguy]

23. It's a toss-up whether Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is

the most fucked-up and backward place on earth, but I think SA has the high cards. Afghanistan is a primitive place in every way. SA has money and plenty of educated people. What a bunch of shit-for-brains tools. :crazy:

[ZombieHorde]

24. In the ME, people want to tell women what they have to wear, and in the West,

people want to tell women what they better not wear. Both think they are Superior to the other, but both want women arrested based on fashion.

[redqueen]

27. Who wants to tell women what not to wear?

Women in pants with the word 'JUICY' emblazoned across the rear? Or overweight women showing off muffin tops? Or is it those super old-timey looking 'modest' clothes? I don't know if there's a brand name... you might have seen them posted here before.

[ZombieHorde]

28. Many westerns support burka bans, which is just another reason to lock up peaceful women. nt

[redqueen]

30. Ohhhhhh...

right, thanks, I forgot about that controversy.

[riderinthestorm]

49. NO! It's not about "fashion", it;s about the subjugation of women. Their complete erasure

from society. You despicably trivialize it by saying this is a "fashion choice". The fight against the burqa has nothing to do with "fashion" and everything to do with patriarchal religions and their brainwashing, and a western society's choices on what's appropriate in the public square.

[ZombieHorde]

50. Freedom cages! We'll end thier subjugation with cages, humilation, and slave labor!

Burka Ban

Maybe you are modest
Maybe you're oppressed
Doesn't matter now
You better get undressed

Free all women -- Hands behind your back
Free all women -- In the car ma'am
Free all women -- We need your fingerprints
Free all women -- Free all women

Maybe you were forced
Maybe you chose
Doesn't matter now
Take off your Goddamn clothes

Free all women -- This is for your own good
Free all women -- Look at what you've made me do
Free all women -- Now do what you're told
Free all women -- Free all women

Hey little niqabis
We have the absolute right to see you
Hey little niqabis
Have the absolute right to touch you
Hey little niqabis
The absolute right to take you
Hey little niqabis
Absolute right to strip you

[riderinthestorm]

53. Is that a link?

Or did you make it up yourself?

Naked women are far more powerful in their sexuality and fecundity than being shrouded by society. Western cultures have every right to decide if they want to adhere to a patriarchal code that shrouds women as second class citizens, invisible non-prticipants. If you believe that shrouding women somehow empowers them, and magically keeps them aafe from rape, harm, and abues I have another stat for you.

It takes a sea shift in cultural attitudes to ensure womenfolk's safety and equality. Most abused women/girls are victims of Stockholm Syndrome and cannot articulate or find their way out of the cycle of abuse. You trivialize their struggle.

The "amorphous" west must shine a light of beacon on a way forward, flawed as it is. Its better than their status quo. Women in these societies are "half" of a man. I will not let that stand.

[ZombieHorde]

58. Lots of people want to use violence to control women. You're one of them.

Almost everyone thinks their own violence against women is justified, and everyone else's violence against women is terrible.

My one argument: Let's stop violence against women through the most peaceful means available.

[riderinthestorm]

60. Creating laws IS one of the most peaceful ways. Some cultural practices

that harm women must be legislated to create change... or perhaps you want the "violence" of FGM for example to simply be wished away... non-violently? I do think legislation against that type of harmful cultural practice isn't violent, and IS justified. Sometimes the threat of prison is the only way to make that shit stop. I have no problem with that.

Shrouding and erasing women from society is another "cultural" relic that has no place in a 21st century society. Let's stop pretending that these kinds of cultural practices are okay. They're not.

[ZombieHorde]

64. Laws of this nature are nothing more than the threat of violence, and then the practice of violence.

Persuasive speech and art are the best ways to handle the burka/veil issue in my opinion.

I think a good example of using the law to help to women is the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. This act does not promote violence against the women it is meant to help.

[riderinthestorm]

65. If "persuasive speech and art"actually worked in ending abusive cultural practices like FGM, honor

killings, and yes, disappearing women behind shrouds, I'd be all for it.

Fact is, it doesn't. Cultural change, like granting full and equal rights for women and people of color, has always come with resistance (that sometimes actually does become violent). To simply believe that persuasive speech and art would have stopped Jim Crow is dangerous ignorance of the way cultural change sometimes does have to be legislated, and enforced, via strong government intervention.

Legislation is not violent no matter how much you say it is. Even the enforcement of such laws doesn't have to be violent unless you believe that anyone who is incarcerated is somehow being subjected to violence?

That's an entirely different discussion however.

[ZombieHorde]

67. Forcing people into locked cages agaisnt their will is an act of violence.

If the woman has young children, then the freedom cages are even more disturbing.

I see you are desperate to include to new behaviors into the argument, but that is fallacious baiting, and I am not biting. This conversation is about forcing women into locked cages for wearing burkas and veils.

[riderinthestorm]

71. "New" behaviors that are part and parcel of the same oppression of women!

You can try to ignore or dispute that the entirety of oppressive actions against women includes the other behaviors I've described but you cannot dispute the fact that negative cultural behaviors will only change with force (and drama and yes, even perhaps cages).

Clearly you are against anyone going to prison for negative cultural behaviors. I get that. I just know that's not realistic and that sometimes people must be forced to comply (like with Jim Crow laws, and segregation, and giving women equal rights like voting, and yes, even granting women basic civil rights in the ME).

How about the opposite? You are desperate for women in KSA to be forced into burkas or they will go jail if they don't wear them. Because that's the reality of what the mullahs are now pushing. And cultural relativists like you, exhorting people to just use "persuasive speech and art" against the mullahs (instead of maybe using LEGISLATION and the force of law!) will really work out so well for them.... It's a disgusting fallacy to believe that women will gain their full rights in any part of the world when the patriarchy ensures their erasure from society.

[ZombieHorde]

72. I have already answered your questions...

"My one argument: Let's stop violence against women through the most peaceful means available."

You advocate for violence against peaceful women, and I advocate against it.

[riderinthestorm]

73. You advocate for perpetual bondage of women. Permanent second class status.

Sorry but change sometimes happens violently, especially cultural change. I accept that and understand that. I've given you more than enough examples where that is the norm, which you refuse to acknowledge. I also note that you are advocating for the women in the KSA to go to jail if they refuse to be further blinded and erased by the burka when the mullahs get their wish. So they will be jailed for NOT donning the burka - you do see the irony don't you of your position (that theoretically is in support of these women)?

Good luck with that.

[ZombieHorde]

74. Other than your fantasies, where have I advocated for women going to jail?

You are not thinking clearly on this subject.

[riderinthestorm]

76. I would stipulate that is you.

You believe that cultural change should come from "peaceful persuasion and art". The KSA mullahs are not going to be persuaded with that. They are going to put the women in burkas and anyone who dares to disobey them will be beaten on the streets by the morality police and then put in jail.

Ergo, your method of "persuasion and art" essentially means that the women in KSA who try to "peacefully" resist this by going unveiled, will go to jail. So will the ones who resist with violence and demonstrations (but who will finally grab the attention of the world and maybe force some real change). Furthermore, because the mullahs and most of the fundie Saudi royalty in the KSA are so steeped in patriarchal bullshit, you can expect the crackdowns on "offenders" to be fierce.

However, according to your posts upthread, even going to jail is a "violent" action. Yet your method for "change" virtually guarantees it for these women.

And ensures they are enslaved even further.

[ZombieHorde]

77. Are you saying you want to make laws for the ME?

Are you hoping for more wars in that region?

[riderinthestorm]

81. You know, that's bullshit.

I have no authority or scope there.

You are the one advocating that the women there just lay down and accept their (male decreed) fate. If they would just use "peaceful persuasion and art", it will all be fine.

I would advocate for the women in that society and culture to recognize that being disappeared in their own state is a travesty. Furthermore, I would advocate that women in those societies call upon their western sisters to acknowledge that being disappeared is a moral, religious, and cultural travesty. I would DEMAND that true feminists agree (and even more broadly, all of society agree). That may mean the "violence" of jall time. That may even require a cultural "war" on equal rights for the genders.

I welcome that 'war". I believe those in the west who don't understand and acknowledge that equal rights for women in the ME is paramount are whistling "Dixie" (with all that implies) You (and those other cultural relativists who refuse to acknowledge facts on the ground) believe that simply "wishing" things were great, means they are great. Egypt and Tahrir Square, the civil righs era, the battle for a woman's right to choose.... these are great cultural shifts, and virtually all of them require people to step forward and be accountable, including possibly going to jail.

You are the bigot for advocating for women as permanent second class citizens. You believe that women cannot be strong, and endure all that a governmental agency mandates yet still women fight to oppose them, and yes, even face jail time ("violence" in your view). That they are somehow too frail possibly in your eyes? That the police even acting against women is too much to ask?

[ZombieHorde]

82. You're not thinking clearly. Who is going to put whom in jail in the ME?

Share with me your road map for civil rights in the ME.

[JCMach1]

68. In a poll done by the British Embassy just before the Arab Spring 60% of Saudis polled thought there

was already too much change in the Kingdom.

You will wait a really long long time for a liberal revolution to happen there. For them King Abdullah is just too damn liberal!

[ZombieHorde]

69. I doubt acts of violence agaisnt ME women is for their own good.

You may gain some pleasure from it, but I really doubt they will.

[JCMach1]

70. Not what I meant at all... Just sharing my pessimism about change in the KSA

Having said that, the broad majority of Muslims would dismiss this as another episode of Saudi Mullahs gone mad...

That includes the Wahabbis here in the UAE. The vast majority of women here are just not going to do that, nor let it happen.


But, the Kingdom :(

is another story... and not a good one.

[ProfessorGAC]

25. Just Amazing

Such troglodytic thinking in 2011. My eyes didn't roll. They spun like a slot machine wheel.
GAC

[BOG PERSON]

33. with all those rules it'd actually be easier to just not ever leave the house.

and that's probably the effect those rules are intended to have.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. How about donkeys, mules, and camels?

They might be tempting to some. Put burkas on department store dummies as they are too tempting. And you'd better cover up that inflatible doll lest it give you evil thoughts. Better that they just put their own eyes out or kill themselves, as sexual temptation is clearly the greatest evil to mankind.

[leftyladyfrommo]

39. Back to the black outfit that covers every inch.

Most Saudi women have beautiful eyes.

This is just so insane.

[AverageJoe90]

61. Maybe we should start letting some refugees in..........nt

[fascisthunter]

43. fundi weirdos... fuck em all

cowards who can't handle their own temptations... sorry, that is not what a man is, that's what a bunch of simpering wimps who have no control over themselves do to women.

[freshwest]

44. Doesn't say a thing for the civilizing effects of their belief system on men. The whole thing...

Is simply sadistic and irrational.

So they can't let women expose their bodies, voluntarily, but then they subject them to public floggings and the dangers of going into custody where they'll be exposed, beaten, raped or murdered?

Being a woman in a society like that would have to feel like being a cat in 17th century Paris:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning

Oh, by the way, these governments are our friends, huh.

[Ter]

46. They should protest this by going naked in the streets

Lesbian kisses and all.

[MH1]

52. JHFC on a trailer hitch. WTF is wrong with these a-holes?

and I have a whole pile more swearwords for this f***ed-up nonsense.

[JoePhilly]

55. But you'll still be able to tell which women have the "tempting eyes' ... they will be bumping into

everything.

But I have an idea ... we can protect men from seeing these temptress women ... just poke out the eyes of all the men.

Problem solved!!!!

[WinkyDink]

62. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick. But a Saudi man's kissing Dubya is fine and dandy.

[TBF]

75. So, when are we "liberating" Saudi? Oh, wait, we get along fine re the oil so that won't happen. nt

[nolabear]

79. I'm curious as to what people posting here would do to change this.

I hear a great deal of raging and name-calling, but I've never known that to be the solution to anything. So if you are upset about a behavior and believe it should change, what would you, absolutely practically, do to create a different way?

[ZombieHorde]

83. Propaganda. It is slow, but bombing people doesn't seem to work quickly either. nt

[WildEyedLiberal]

86. Raging and name-calling is all we can do

None of us can change Saudi Arabia's culture and laws. That doesn't mean we have to sit passively and condone their misogyny. I'd suggest an Amnesty International style letter writing campaign to the Saudi government, but I have a feeling the mullahs and sheiks don't give a wet fart what westerners think, so what else is there to do?

[Dorian Gray]

80. Wow...

Pretty soon they'll advocate keeping women locked away in a bedroom while another woman is chained in the kitchen, doing their duty and never to be seen by anyone else ever. Just "things."