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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:35 PM Original message |
In case anyone doesn't get why objectification, misogyny and sexism in the media are a big deal... |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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No Joe (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
162. Ever notice that everything considered "sexually empowering" for women |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #162 |
173. just happens to coincide with the predilections of horny guys? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. Many men have already overcome it. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #180 |
325. Hoo boy, you can totally kiss that women's studies career goodbye now. |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #162 |
202. Yep. And that all the "women's work (like teaching)" is still devalued and disrespected |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #162 |
271. Since the baseline biological purpose of sex is reproduction . . . |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. Addressing how women are portrayed in the media |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. First, just talking about it would help. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. mens product, perfume.... naked women. womens product, perfume... naked women |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Well... Cool Water uses men's bodies... |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. I've noticed lately |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Aw geez... yeah... that's not about 'come hither'... |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Well, i was going to say that |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Hah... I don't know who would be pissed... |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I'm a surgical nurse for a large out patient |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #79 |
145. Yes, how to attract men, how to please men (usually in bed), etc. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. I flipped through one of my wifes magazines once... there's more half naked girls in hers than mine! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I wish you'd seen Miss Representation |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. ..."to believe that their looks and sexuality are the most important things about them"... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yes, men shouldn't be conditioned to think that looks are the the most important thing |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
60. Agreed with everything except the last sentence... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. It is treating women like *things*. That is dehumanization. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
82. it is a conditioning and acceptance of positioning woman as a thing continuously. |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
100. actualy, I am sure that boys could be trained to |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #100 |
280. It works the other way too |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #280 |
297. It does? |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #297 |
306. different point |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
99. FWIW, just about everything you've said exemplifies |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. I completely agree with you on this.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. From a social order point of view... isn't it though? gasp. ya. and it shouldnt be. point. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. personally, give me a naked man over naked woman any day. i never bought into men not being |
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Fawke Em (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
113. I don't think women are more attractive than "dudes." |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. from the time i was littlei was told, naked woman? but they are beautiful and the male body is not |
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Fawke Em (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #114 |
127. I grew up in Tennessee and we had yummy male bodies, too. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #113 |
299. It doesn't matter what the less powerful think, dontcha know? |
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Fawke Em (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
112. Ever noticed there isn't much difference between the cover of |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. yes, i have. nt |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #112 |
136. B-b-but you can't criticize women's magazines, man. Don't you know the rules? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. So you're just here to make up stupid things no one has said |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #138 |
144. isnt it kinda, so in your face, obvious. the least a poster can do is be a bet more clever |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #136 |
141. what a ridiculous argument not to mention inaccurate. kinda like ... making shit up |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #112 |
293. Correct. n/t |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
133. Venus de Milo "naked woman's body" Rubens "naked woman's body" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Maybe people should learn the difference between objectification and art. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Well, that wasn't very good. A real feminist would have argued that "art" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #142 |
147. maybe start naming all the naked men art, that male artists create. nt |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Mapplethorp? heh nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #142 |
150. You need to stop projecting your issues about your ex onto others. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #150 |
153. What discussion? You post flame-bait and then don't even back it up with discussion |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Flame bait? *roffle* |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #133 |
186. the statue of David? |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #186 |
324. Don't confuse 'em with the facts . . . patriarchy, phallo-centric, white male power |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. Oh, I acknowledge it as a problem. Women grow up with a |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. It doesn't start with magazines. MM. That is quite disingenuous. (nt) |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. No, of course it doesn't, but they're part of the media. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
120. "What it will take is for women to..." |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #120 |
125. You are apparently not actually reading my posts. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #125 |
130. No, unfortunately I did. Which is how I knew it included a brief foray |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #85 |
131. Also... "evolutionary biology"... can we stop accepting this excuse please? (nt) |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. Don't like it? Don't buy it... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Check out how many products use women's bodies to make money. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. are we allowed to be concerned the effects on our girls and boys? or not allowed to discuss it |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Discuss it all you like.. even judge to your heart's content... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. has anyone said ban, but the pro porn people? no. so quit creating a false argument |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I didn't say you did... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
281. I'm all for voting with one's feet but you're missing the bigger picture. |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
288. sexuality, misogyny, etc. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #288 |
289. It's not overreaching. Images of women are hypersexualized 5x as offen. 500%. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. i jsut called dr pepper. when they told me it was meant to include women, i was able to read |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. I know the ad. I saw it on TV the other day. It's reverse psychology, |
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TalkingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
225. Start by educating kids and teens: Killing us softly |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #225 |
229. Just curious... have you seen this before? |
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TalkingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #229 |
337. thanks! I'll check it out. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #225 |
278. i am listening as i check out the site. already, ya. obvious and ignored. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #225 |
279. the point about black women... oww. hadnt thought about it and so offensively true. nt |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
292. Why would it be more a "tall order" than changing how African Americans and Latinos were portrayed? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #292 |
296. Because many people really enjoy seeing all the T&A. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #296 |
298. Many "people"?....I think you mean HALF of the people |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #298 |
300. Oh I'm sure they enjoyed it... just not in the same way. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #300 |
312. Agreed. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. hollywood and the media bear a lot of blame for this. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Many women are practically invisible. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. true that; then later there are the occassional granny roles |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Yep. No group is more invisible than women who are over weight and over forty. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. I know alot of married men over the age of 40 that would disagree with that statement... (n/t) |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. This is macro-level sociology. You're conflating it with personal relationships. |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:44 AM Response to Reply #63 |
104. On a personal level, I'm glad to hear it. But as a group, no. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
313. Yes...The only way they older ones are allowed to become "visible" again is if they |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's one thing to talk about how women are presented in the media but |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. HALF of the people in this country are disenfranchised before they graduate. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I never said things will never change. Your statement to that effect reduces your credibility. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "There is not going to be a perfect world. Evil exists right along side with good." |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Because it is true. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It's a strawman, as I never said I expected to fix everybody. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. Elizabeth Warren for Senate....and twenty more just like her. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Men will vote for men. Women will vote for men. Women might vote for women... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Then explain Sarah Palin. n/t |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. You're wrong. Men will vote for women. I have voted for many |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. It's statistics. Statistical probabilities, not absolutes. I thought that was obvious. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
86. Nothing is obvious, unless you make it so. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #86 |
123. You were pointing out exceptions to the rule. |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
89. Interesting thing I saw the other day |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #89 |
124. Yes, she's been very active on this issue. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. I am no expert on this topic, so with that caveat, let me say that if |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The problem is so much bigger than you realize... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. No. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #61 |
102. The wives can simply go vote, and forget to remind the husbands, if they don't have their |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
190. sadly you are correct, sexist men and women |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. kick and rec |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Well said! n/a |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. Thank you. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
17. K&R n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
18. k/r |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
19. K&R |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. Other countries are way ahead of us in that regard. Margaret Thatcher in the UK |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. We're 90th in the world. (nt) |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Our Speaker of the House is a woman. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Look at how these women are treated in the media. |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. it often seems that women are the acceptable target for aggression |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. The stuff from bloggers lately has been very eye-opening... or at least it should be |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. yes. A very clear symptom of misogyny. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yes, I remember that study. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
194. it depends on the image |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #194 |
201. that makes sense....I can't say you're wrong |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #201 |
277. sadly i cannot say the same |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #277 |
339. hey reggie! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #194 |
204. No, not everyone thinks that way. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #204 |
260. i have had women treat me like an object |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
121. And they cost less, too! Still. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #121 |
128. You might be surprised how many people believe those studies are lies. |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #121 |
203. you're right! Convenient, aren't we? Still. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Really? Boehner is a woman? Who knew? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
81. Yes, that's true. She'll be speaker again after the 2012 election, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I share your sentiment--we need to take back the House decisively. nt |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I am hopeful that will happen. The recent elections have been very |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
101. In act, times are changing SO fast, tht they apparently left you behind |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Here's the Wikipedia article |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Thank you! |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
195. Germany |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
192. Angela Merkel |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #192 |
208. The US is 90th in the world. Did you somehow miss that? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #208 |
238. i bet france is even further behind, which is horrible |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
30. Here's the flipside. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Hello, MRA. |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Deleted message |
Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. +100 The same thing happens in almost every topic about racism |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
95. Since my response was part of the deleted subthread |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #95 |
129. "Make the young men less ignorant [...]" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Hello? Have you been to a school lately? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #132 |
137. You might want to do some research into why the imbalance |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #137 |
152. The fact that teachers are college graduates... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #152 |
159. Did you read any of the reasons? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #159 |
174. The pointed "Why exactly do you want to be around kids?" suspicion is at least as big a deterrent. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #174 |
181. Read more, and start your own OP. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #181 |
183. If you know you're not going to like the answers, stop asking the question. n/t |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
110. it never fails n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #110 |
119. hey sock puppet me.... |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #119 |
242. still? apparently, you and i are the only people on the internet who don't |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #242 |
246. it really does not bother me at all. just a heads up, lol lol |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
109. There's a key problem right there. The belief there is a flip side. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #109 |
122. "when the solution for men can be found in eliminating the actual oppression of women" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #122 |
134. This thread is about the Miss Representation of women in the media. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #134 |
146. From the OP |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #146 |
154. They exploit insecurities and fears. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #154 |
179. "Due to". |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #179 |
184. I get that you want to ignore it. Just ignore the whole thread. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #184 |
193. Privilege |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #184 |
335. And that's after 31 straight years of improvement. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #179 |
233. would you agree that fox news creates culture |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
50. and in the time since porn became widely available, women in leadership positions have INCREASED. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. The number of women in elected office dropped for the first time since 1979 recently. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. For the first time since 1979. Okay, do you have a corresponding statistical increase in |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. The status of women has dropped in recent years. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I want to see statistics. Not opinion. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. You had a chance to see it. You chose not to. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. A documentary featuring condi rice is not the same thing as a statistical proof of an increase of |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:52 PM Original message |
The studies were cited. Rachel Maddow was in it too. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. Got a link to the studies? |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
322. Well, I didn't and I'd look. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
320. I don't think any of those add regulations had to do with fairness toward women. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
319. One election cycle is not a trend. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
326. And sexual assaults have declined. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 03:57 AM Response to Reply #326 |
338. I do think there are biological things going on in an evolutionary context |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #338 |
340. I get very little thrown at me. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
59. Would this be considered objectification? |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
96. awesome! |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
118. it seems that your point is being ignored |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #118 |
139. Because it's not a point. It's a sexist tactic that only the worst kind of men use. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #139 |
151. i had typed, LZ purely tacky, but then erased post cause why bother. more of the |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #151 |
160. Their way of trying to get women to shut up. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. just bullying and intimidation |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #163 |
171. it is a beautiful picture of a beautiful woman |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. How about you try to sum up whatever "point" you think is being ignored. |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #172 |
177. poor choice of word - "point" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #177 |
191. Maybe you aren't using it as a tactic. |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #191 |
207. I wasn't trying to use any tatics |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #207 |
209. . |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #191 |
253. Maybe when we've performed a similar brain scan, you can tell what I'm thinking. n/t |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #172 |
185. also... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #185 |
189. how is it her responsibility? |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #189 |
198. I didn't realize that I said it was her responsibility |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. you didnt say it, but it is what you gave her. nt |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #198 |
272. It might be all. Or darn near close to it. |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #272 |
276. in that light... |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #272 |
329. Pornography is actually easy to define. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #185 |
199. btw... per post 191 |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #199 |
212. I don't find tools fuckable... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #185 |
213. I want you to see that it was most likely posted as an attempt to shut me up. |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #213 |
218. oh...I thought that was an attempt to engage you in conversation |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #218 |
224. Anyone who doesn't understand what objectification is, and cares about it, |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #224 |
236. I think people enjoy discussing issues... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #236 |
239. Why not simply ask the question? |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #239 |
243. I am not playing games and I can't answer to his motivation... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #243 |
248. he was playing games. just like they were on porn thread |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #248 |
258. where do men learn this? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #258 |
263. It's not carryover. It's an extremely common tactic. |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #263 |
268. So where and how is this learned and who did the study? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #248 |
265. How would it be shaming? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #160 |
250. Much of the trouble with these issues is that they devolve into attempts at mind-reading like this. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #250 |
254. Why did you link to that picture? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #254 |
262. Like I said, you've been the subject of a work of art. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #262 |
267. No sale. I am not an authority. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #139 |
247. Would it hurt this discussion to get some sort of differentiation between what is |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #247 |
249. do you walk into an art musuem, grab your dick adn jack off to the pictures? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #249 |
256. There's a confounding issue with private and public space that you touch on. n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #256 |
285. there is purpose behind both, art and porn. nt |
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jorno67 (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #285 |
290. Doesn't history show that many artists used their female subjects as sex objects? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #247 |
259. Yes, it's off-topic. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #259 |
264. We're having a discussion about objectification and |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #264 |
266. While there is some disagreement about sexual objectification, |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
214. No, that's considered art. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
317. Wow, of ALL the people on this forum I would NOT expect to hit |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #317 |
323. but he swears that is not his intent. oh wait. we know better. why should she be bothered about |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
328. No, but . . . |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
71. Rec'd. I couldn't agree more. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I hope you get a chance to see Miss Representation... |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
72. Women need to get on board with this as well. Women objectify women. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Yes we do. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. yes. agreed. nt |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. Many have been raised that way |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #91 |
111. Please consider starting a thread about this. nt |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #72 |
169. Not surprising when it's institutionalized. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
80. Yep, the U.S. ranks 90th in the percentage of women in government positions |
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Glimmer of Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. That is pathetic! |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
97. Recommend; The Sexualization Of Girls |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #97 |
140. This should be an OP. (nt) |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #140 |
158. It was, when the report was first published. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #158 |
161. My pleasure! |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #161 |
170. Found it, it was a reply post, not an OP. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #170 |
227. Thanks! I still hope it's the subject of an OP eventually. (nt) |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
103. relative to recent cain related sexual abuse, attacks on the accusers, and excuses for misogyny |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
105. and men are supposed to have a fat wallet |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. that would be the equivalent. yes. and yea, it is just as bad. |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #105 |
143. Most of us would prefer to have our own wallet |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #143 |
164. +1... it's just another attempt to derail a discussion of women's issues |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #164 |
182. that really wasn't my intent |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #182 |
196. We're talking about the overwhelming Miss Representation of women in the media... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #196 |
244. fair enough |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #143 |
178. not you women |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #178 |
187. another we dont do in our house. i often have converstion about boys not being expected |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #187 |
240. i am going to want my daughter to pay for dates too |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #240 |
245. way back when i did |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #245 |
252. my girlfriend and i split costs |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #252 |
255. this is how i see it reggie. you and i agree often. |
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duhneece (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
107. Closely related to language put-down |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #107 |
116. i pointed it out and discussed with my boys when they were very very young. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
108. Thank you. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
117. Recommended. nt |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
126. Link? "At Colleges, Women are Leaving Men in the Dust" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #126 |
165. 2nd attempt to change the topic to men's issues. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #165 |
331. I don't have time to read 100 plus posts. nt |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
148. BTW, with the class war waged against the 99 percent, do we really need this divisive BS right now? |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #148 |
156. Devisive bullshit?! Jeez. |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #148 |
157. It's not BS |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #157 |
167. HALF the people who could be in government right now, |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #148 |
166. Yes, shut up, women! |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #148 |
168. Has it occurred to you the paradigm of a patriarchal society is related to "class war?" |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #148 |
211. Spoken like a man.............. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #211 |
283. Way to strike a blow against condescending stereotypes! n/t |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #283 |
302. I'm not referring to all men, but only a man would make his assertion. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
176. I have no doubt you will complain without actually doing anything |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #176 |
188. And you "have no doubt about this" because...? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #188 |
221. That is what the OP does? |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #221 |
235. Your question makes no sense. |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #176 |
197. Um, Rex, it IS a fact that females are 51% of the human |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #197 |
220. Yeah and not ALL of them are warped like the OP wants to believe |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #220 |
226. Rex, are you implying that the OP is saying |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #226 |
316. Deleted message |
Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #220 |
275. Why so silent, Rex? n/t |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
205. Are you familiar with the work of Jean Kilbourne? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #205 |
215. Yes! Killing Us Softly was my first exposure to her work. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
206. Good message, but what about the women CEOs? And how women are the majority of college graduates? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #206 |
217. There are a few women CEOs. Why is it so popular to point out exceptions? |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #206 |
257. compare the % of women CEOs to the % of women in the population |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #257 |
269. It's been well-documented that women are out-graduating men |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #269 |
282. Yes, I'm aware of the numbers, but I was not clear on what point you were making. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
210. I learned one thing in 2007 & 2008, sexism is rampant on all sides of the political spectrum |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #210 |
228. It's rampant everywhere, yes... |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
216. We're not enough generations |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #216 |
231. See post 38. This isn't biology, this is culture. And it has to change. (nt) |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #231 |
311. Culture is the creature of biology, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #311 |
314. maybe when it is actually about biology instead of a cult like evolution behavior psychology |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #314 |
318. Females do not run |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
219. so very true |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #219 |
232. Yes, we have absorbed the dominant message. |
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msedano (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
222. Hate speech quantification methodology |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #222 |
234. Thank you so much for this post! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
223. Yes. In that sense, it is a huge deal. |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #223 |
230. Hide our sexuality.... Hmmm. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #223 |
237. This isn't about sex. This is about treating women as if that's all they are for... |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #237 |
241. Agreed! n/t |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #237 |
261. +1000 |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #237 |
303. As an older woman, you don't need to convince me. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
251. k&r |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
270. ANOTHER POINT: did you ever learn about the feminist movement in school? |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #270 |
274. This is true. And even when one reaches college |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #274 |
286. my niece first year in college pointed out one teacher skips all the chapters about women, yet, |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
273. K&R!!! n/t |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
284. often mocked? |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #284 |
287. Were those young men who posed themselves, |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #284 |
291. Yes, often mocked. "The Bitch and The Ditz"? Not ringing any bells? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #291 |
295. it truly was one of the finer WTF's... but i let it go. hey, every picture of bauchmann becomes du |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
294. Powerful women in the media: |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #294 |
301. This has all been well researched already. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #301 |
305. Link? |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #294 |
304. It also only takes a cursory glance at who is behind |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #304 |
308. Now that's true, but look at the characters I've presented. |
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BrendaBrick (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
307. Well, I look forward to a day |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #307 |
309. Are we free of racism though? |
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BrendaBrick (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #309 |
310. Not sure I follow you... |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #310 |
315. What I'm trying to say is that it DOES seem kind of silly |
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BrendaBrick (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #315 |
321. OK. I understand now. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
327. Bottom line--capitalism objectivizes both men and women. It turns |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
330. Fewer women are in elected office in the US because more conservatives are in office. |
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Feldspar (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #330 |
333. Pfft. Like we have been so OVER-represented under DEMS?! |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #333 |
334. There are 17 women Senators. Five are Republican. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
332. Several posters have cited a study (no links) that claims MRI scans of |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-11 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
336. K&R |
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