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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:37 PM Original message |
I just saw one reason democrats keep losing. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. What would Americans do if other nations installed military bases on our shores? |
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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It depends on if the US is asked to, or not. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. We hear mostly what the mic wants us to hear about that. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Germany has a sweet little base (more like a facility) out at Dulles in VA. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
78. We only go where we are welcomed? Rummy said the same thing, just before we |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
104. You don't seem to understand that many nations are not democracies. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. Put to a vote of who? Like in Iraq, you're saying, after we overthrew Saddam |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
70. You mean the puppet governments want the bases, because |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. We would take up the issue with our own government. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Good luck with that - we've "taken up" these fake wars with "our" gov't for years. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Most of us, but the militants in the militia movement will resort to plane jackings and car bombs. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Exactly - that's the American equivalent. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. You do realize those bases are there with the consent of the governments? |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Oh so the Iraqi's asked for us to come and build a base there? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Check out our embassy there - #22 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Any bases that remain are there with the consent of the government of Iraq. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Smoke and mirrors - "our" contractors are staying, along with some military personnel. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. No, actually. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. "The legions of mercenaries aren't there"... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Right, they're there even though only you can see them. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Actually, it's you who's "faith-based." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Without SOFA. What's your point? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. The "real world" includes a U.S. military industrial complex that's out of control... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. And your imagining things doesn't help either. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yeah, me and Eisenhower. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Eisenhower you're not. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Most thinking people realize that the mic is still FACT, even more so... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. That's true. However, you're convoluting issues and no one is "making excuses." |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I'm not "convoluting issues" - I'm saying plain and clear that the U.S. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. We don't have verifiable voting because no one is demanding it. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. You're a hoot - I never said anything like "give up" or "the people are powerless." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. You sure did--look at your words--you're defeated before you begin. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. If you would read more carefully, instead of endlessly preaching... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
102. Well,I'm not "endlessly preaching," but whatever. Back your truck up if you'd like. |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
95. +1000! |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
101. Wow, just wow. Usually I have to go on a neo-con site |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Learn to read, please before you falsely accuse people of defending anything. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. This little outpost wasn't built with the permission of either country's people... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. If they want us gone, we are outta there. And the present government DOES |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Who are you kidding? This gov't does not serve "We, the People." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. If you don't vote, you can't gripe. If you don't work for YOUR candidates at the |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Well, I've never missed a vote and have worked my ass off for Dem candidates... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Then you, PERSONALLY, are not part of the problem. But a large percentage of |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. nice to hear we are wanted in afghanistan and pakistan. didnt know that nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. No one can possibly be so obtuse. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. stay charming |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Likewise. nt |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. We installed the governments. Isn't that the issue? nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. We didn't do such a hot job--you think we would have chosen the guy now running Iraq if we had the |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
93. Deleted message |
county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. First off, not all Dems keep losing. Second, what the hell does the 60's and SDS |
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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. It's what the head of our local Democrats said. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Like I said, we can't make things worse then they are. Next time say something better. |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Sounds to me like Lorenz is a DINO. Need help outing him? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
79. Your OP does not contain one single actual quote from him |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
80. He's not the head of your local Party, according to their website |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. Kicked, recced, still at zero. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. Post his essay |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Same here. |
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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I'd like to, but I can't find it online. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Okay then, I will take your word on it. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
82. Don't do that, Lorenz does not even hold the position claimed |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
86. I found out online that the Chairman of the Sheboygan Party is |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
88. It is still possible to qutoe his words from the paper... |
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Cerebral Assassin (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thumbs up |
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libinnyandia (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. There is a difference between expaining why behavior happens |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
21. Most Democrats disagree with Lorenz |
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OrwellwasRight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
106. Trying to understand why they do what they do is not inconsistent |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. Then let's look at more of the picture |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
54. fingers are in the ears and they go 'LALALALA" |
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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. Why would he do that now? |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
32. I Agree That This Kind of Sentiment Does Not Go Over Well |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. But it is present heavily in a certain fraction of the left. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Leftists just lack the gene for jingoism.. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Quite the contrary. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Well, if you subscribe to the "black=white" theory I suppose it does.. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Well, Those Two Examples I Agree With You On |
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Anatos (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
51. Somebody |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Terror IS irrational. Terrorists are mad dogs. There is only one way to deal with them. nt |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #72 |
94. Then deal with your goverment. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
52. Sounds like he's buddies with Ward "Little Eichmanns" Churchill. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
55. Bin laden was many things but a "fascist" he most assuredly was not. You might |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. of course Bin Laden and al Qaeda are pure evil. But does ANYONE seriously believe that if the U.S. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. +1000 |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #56 |
96. That just about sums it up for me. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
65. Rec, but your OP is going to have some rough sailing here: "yeah, but..but...but...but" |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
67. The problem is persistently confusing "America" with the 1% |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
68. Did you put on your flame retardant underwear before you wrote your OP? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Dead right? Lorenz is not the Chair of that local Party... |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
73. Do you deny the Imperialist charge? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
75. If you don't believe that they hate us for our freedoms then your are just a dirty fucking hippie.. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #75 |
92. They hate us because we are killing them and supressing their freedoms. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
76. Deleted message |
datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
77. one of the most successful corporatist history edits concerns the marginalization of "movement" |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
81. He is not the head of your local Party according to them. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Deleted message |
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The OP usues a lexicon that is reactionary |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
89. Deleted message |
Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
90. can you please copy and paste or quote in full the offensive remarks Mr. Tim Lorenz actually said? |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
91. I just saw proof republicans don't have even the slightest clue. |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. If we are in other people's business then you can bet... |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. it's not just oil but it is the big one. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
97. Sorry, but American imperialism in the Middle East was/is very real. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. You don't need to apologize for the truth about this subject, ever. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
105. I find your pursuit of a false worldview for political gain to be ultimately self defeating |
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