Money going to profit is money TAKEN from PATIENT CARE.

[sibelian]

You certainly don't need me to tell you this, but, America, you must NOT NOT NOT NOT allow Romney or any other idiot Republican to fuck the one safety net you do have. The "market" paradigm he buys into has already failed on its own terms.

They will try to steer the focus away from patient care wherever possible in the coming debates.

Not a single criticism of their plans will be addressed directly, it will ALL be misdirection, distortion and game-play.

However crap you might think Obama is, if he is your candidate come the election (which seems likely) FOR GOD'S SAKE VOTE FOR HIM. Whatever his faults are deal with them afterwards.

Once the markets have their claws into something it is impossible to get it back. We let the idiots in our Government in the UK start down the road to privatising just SOME services provided by the NHS and it has been a DISASTER for patient care, you may take this from me, who works for the UK NHS.

Doubtless some folk will think I'm poking my nose in where it doesn't belong, well, so are the money-grubbers who are *without question* behind Romney's latest nonsense.

The NHS in the UK is politically almost unassailable. They have been trying very, very hard over here to knock it over and turn it into yet another of their useless cash cows, but the resistance to them is colossal, utterly colossal. I strongly believe that in the end they will be seen for the parasites they are. The fight isn't over yet, by any means...

Your fight is harder, far, far harder. Your country is the richest and most well-developed in the world, the social safety nets in your country should be even MORE unassailable! What's the good of a country's wealth if it can't be made to work for its citizens?? What's the POINT of a nation that can't see its members as integral parts of itself? Things are acheieved not by money but by PEOPLE.

I urge you to build a new understanding of health in your country. I have never understood the part insurance plays in your healthcare. I've posted similar things on this website on this subject before but the point remains true - using insurance companies as part of a regulation of the national healthcare system is madness, madness, madness!

Insurance is for accidents, catastrophes, the UNFORESEEN.

If you are a human being it is a CERTAINTY that you will, one day, become ill. That's how life on this planet works! It's not an accident, it's ORDINARY. How ill you become, WHEN you become ill (perhaps only on your old age), how much care you will need, these things are anyone's guess, but it is ridiculous to think of the fact of illness itself as an accident, it is simply a fact of nature, it WILL happen.

Insurance companies should be taken out of the process altogether. MONEY should be taken out of the process as much as POSSIBLE.

An organisation whose primary motive is profit is not suitable for taking care of people.

[Deep13]

1. One reason why public health insurance will always be more efficient than corporate. nt

[sibelian]

2. Exactly. It's so obvious you'd think a half-wit would see it.

How's competition going to cheapen healthcare when vast chunks of cash are constantly being siphoned off by people who don't provide healthcare?

[Remember Me]

3. Very, very well put

It's high time we progressives, liberals, and socially liberal independents of all types in this country start agitating for universal healthcare-- OR, at least, promoting the truth that having a profit motive and incentive anywhere in healthcare (including the pharmaceutical industry! tho that may be a bit too far to push in the early stages) is obscenely immoral.

Btw, the "market forces" Romney and so many others buy into is, basically, fascism. I've come to see that now, at last. Capitalism run amok = fascism. And fascists have always hated communists (and socialists and anything or anyone they think could or would LEAD to communism or socialism).

[SomethingFishy]

4. Well obviously we are going to be stuck with Obama

but eventually we are going to have to get out of this "lesser of two evils" mindset we are stuck in. The Dems are as bought and paid for as the rest of them. We either need to get the corporate money out of Washington or start a new party.