Obama Not Implicated In California Medical Marijuana Crackdown, U.S. Attorney Claims

[tridim]

WASHINGTON -- U.S. attorneys have a message for California's medical marijuana advocates: Don't blame Barack Obama. After it was announced that the crackdown on medical pot establishments in the Golden State was a collective decision by the four U.S. attorneys in California and not the result of any directive from Washington, spokeswoman Lauren Horwood emphasized that the administration never even green-lighted the ramped-up enforcement actions.

The only D.C.-based official with whom California U.S. attorneys coordinated, Horwood said, was Deputy Attorney General James Cole, who was chosen by Attorney General Eric Holder, an Obama appointee.

"He's the one who provided the quote for our press release, and he's chosen by Eric Holder," Horwood told HuffPost in an interview. "But we didn't have direct talks with Eric Holder -- not that we wouldn't, he's been out and visited -- but just the way the Department of Justice works, he's not that hands-on on these kinds of details."

An article by Phoenix Times reporter Ray Stern claimed Horwood acknowledged that California's U.S. attorneys received "Obama's blessing" in implementing the crackdown. But in an interview with The Huffington Post, Horwood, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Benjamin Wagner in California's Eastern District, distanced herself from that language.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-administration-medical-marijuana-crackdown-california_n_1033482.html

Now we can move on to the real issue, rescheduling and full legalization.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

1. But the AG is in it up to his eyeballs

Obama needs to cut him loose for lying about Fast & Furious, this issue and others. Holder has done little good and need to be replaced.

[tridim]

4. Nope, the article states that they had no talks with AG Holder on the issue.

He may have appointed a bad seed in CA, but he's hardly "up to his eyeballs" in it.

[EFerrari]

16. "What kind of a lawyer are you, you can't even lie." -- Tyler Perry

[ProgressiveProfessor]

False claims were made in Fast & Furious too

Walker needs to go

[slackmaster]

84. We already knew that AG Holder is a liar who disavows responsibility for his peoples' actions

This is just another example.

[tridim]

91. Why are you taking the side of the drug warriors?

They were just quoted saying Holder didn't direct these "crackdowns".

It's okay to admit you were wrong.

[slackmaster]

102. Holder is responsbile for everything that any US attorney in the country does

Whether he "directs" them or not.

If they start doing something he doesn't agree with, he can bloody well DIRECT them to stop it!

[Pigheaded]

153. A year ago Holder said he knew nothing of GunRunner

Which has been proven to be a lie.

Why would anyone believe him??

PH

[Angry Dragon]

97. Who is in charge of the Executive branch??

I guess you are trying to say that the President has no control of
the people he has appointed.........

The only legal federal marijuana is controlled by the DEA
all marijuana grown legally by state law is illegal by federal law

[slackmaster]

103. Master Blaster!

[Pigheaded]

152. Holder needs to be in jail

He will bring down Obama!

PH

[Fumesucker]

2. That settles it then..

Obama is just weak and will let his AGs go rogue against specifically stated policy without saying so much as BOO to them.

Thanks for clearing that up, Tridim.

[tridim]

6. Obama is the strongest federal politician on the subject of legal MMJ in American history.

[Fumesucker]

11. A bar so low you'd need an excavator to even locate the damn thing..

[truebrit71]

46. Score!

:rofl:

[coalition_unwilling]

117. Oh, snap! Appreciated, though! - n/t

[slackmaster]

86. That's like saying he's the smartest kid among a group of learning-disabled children

:argh:

[tridim]

92. Wow, hear this DU!!!11 Obama is now learning-disabled!!!!1111

Fucking awsome critique slack.

[slackmaster]

98. Simile and metaphor

How do they work?

:dunce:

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[Angry Dragon]

109. Facts to back up your claims??

Links??

Are you saying there are rogue lawyers going against the President;s stated views??

IRS going rogue??

[Xicano]

127. FAIL!

Obama is nothing of the sort. Just like with "fixing FISA" or "renegotiating NAFTA" among many other things, Obama has shown himself to merely talk the talk but not walk the walk, and, sometimes does the opposite of what he said he'd do, i.e. "I will not allow lobbyist in my administration". And the topic of marijuana has been no different.

In recent history its been President Jimmy Carter who's been "the strongest federal politician on the subject of legal MMJ":

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1NwUvp0T8



So please have your facts straight next time. Thanks.

[tridim]

129. MMJ wasn't an issue in 1976.

Carter wanted full legalization.

Obama is the strongest proponent for state-legal MMJ in American history.

[RainDog]

3. actually, it's a little more complicated than that. the 4 attns gen and holder are being sued

for this action - so just saying they were the ones who did it isn't enough.

there is legal action against them and Holder.

And, as I noted here, and as you also noted, since you posted on the thread, the issue isn't quite this simple.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2201479

[tridim]

8. The article I posted says they had no talks with Holder or anyone else in the admin. nt

[RainDog]

25. yes. this was a retraction from what was said earlier

and the reality is that few are willing to believe this statement.

and, if the statement IS true, then Obama needs to fire them for going against his stated policy. if he doesn't, then his lack of action signals tacit agreement.

[Romulox]

70. The President doesn't sue to direct the Justice Department's activities; they serve at his pleasure.

[RainDog]

149. lol. yes, mr. reading comprehension. no one said Obama filed suit

as I noted in the original thread on this - where I also posted a link - the lawsuit has been brought by medical marijuana advocates in the state of CA.

I have no idea where you got the idea that my statement claimed Obama is the one filing suit, but such a lack of comprehension seems to be your default position.

have a great day.

[hobbit709]

5. so who's in charge of the executive branch then.

Is it the President or is it the AG?

[tridim]

10. The President is in charge.

[hobbit709]

31. so who made the decision to do this then?

either he knew and approved it or someone is making decisions in his name. Can't have it both ways.

[tridim]

32. Read the article, it is explained there.

[hobbit709]

43. It still doesn't answer the question "Who is in charge?"

If they made that decision on their own why was it not countermanded at the top.
if you let underlings do something that goes against the official party line then you are giving tacit approval to the actions.
no amount of apologizing from anyone else will alter that.

[tridim]

139. The clubs in question are allegedly breaking state law.

Obama has NOT said he supports clubs that break state law, nor should he. That would be incredibly stupid.

There is a lot of background to this "crackdown" story that people simply don't understand.

[hobbit709]

141. so why are Feds involved then?

That's the part you seem to want to gloss over continually.

[iscooterliberally]

7. Obama's hands off approach is 'effing' up the rotation.

I don't see how he can't be implicated. He needs to tell Holder to put a stop to this. Otherwise his campaign promises were nothing but hot air. I voted for Obama, and I want to vote for him again, but this is really serious. This whitewash isn't going to cut it. He needs to step up and own this one way or the other. :shrug:

[tridim]

12. The actual players in the CA raids said Obama isn't implicated in any way.

Read the article.

[iscooterliberally]

19. I did read the article.

It was a waste of perfectly good blank paper or computer screen space. Obama says one thing. His justice department does something else. Thanks for posting it though.

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[iscooterliberally]

60. Are you kidding me?

Do you believe everything that you read? This article IS the lie and I'm not buying into it. If Obama was true to his word on this issue we would have an article about these District Attorneys being fired for going against his previously stated policy on this issue. Maybe that will come about. I'm not optimistic on this point, but I would really like to see that happen.

[Name removed]

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[ProgressiveProfessor]

26. It is his watch...he owns it

[tridim]

33. I stubbed my toe this morning. Damn you Obama!!!!111

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. You are not an presidentially appointed high official performing official duties

[tridim]

93. Lots of DU'ers who hate Obama claim that I am.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

123. If you were, you would know better

He ultimately owns the responsibility for the executive branch. His administration is attacking MMJ on multiple fronts. He allows it to continue. It is kind of a clue. Even Bush II has not been as aggressive as his administration has been.

[Pigheaded]

155. This /\ /\ /\

[cleanhippie]

9. Either way, this is failure for Obama.

He either DID give the crackdown his "blessing" or he is unable to direct the US Attorneys office do adhere to his "official" policy regarding MMJ.

Either way, this is a failure on his part.

[tridim]

15. The article is clear, he gave no blessing.

And they never held talks with Holder.

It was a rogue action, not supported by Washington.

[cleanhippie]

21. So he is unable, or unwilling to get one of his departments to follow his stated policy, right?

He has been in office for nearly 3 years, so if he is unable to get the DOJ to follow his policies on MMJ, that is a failure on his part, right?

[frylock]

85. then where are the firings?

if i perform a "rogue action" at work you can be damned sure i'm going to have a little meeting with my manager and my director. this is bullshit CYA nonsense and only paints obama as weak and ineffective, at BEST.

[Ignis]

125. ^^^ This! You can't have it both ways.

[krabigirl]

13. Sorry, but the blame goes to the top. Leave California alone.

[tridim]

17. That's EXACTLY what Obama said. Leave CA (and other legal states) alone.

The rogue agents ignored the order.

[Angry Dragon]

110. You are saying the President is pretty weak

can't control his own Executive branch

[tridim]

111. Not even close.

[Angry Dragon]

112. Yes you are

You have stated the position of the President
People working under him are doing things against that stated position
He is doing nothing to stop these people

In a business if an employee went against the ceo or other executives they would be fired

The buck stops with Obama

Either he knows what is going on and does nothing about it
or he does not know what is going on and then he is not in control

[Pigheaded]

156. Amen!

[Jack Rabbit]

14. Excuse me, but . . .

Last time I checked, President Obama was the chief executive. Do we have another one that I don't know about? Obama can stop this if he wants.

[tridim]

22. You're excused.

How do you know he wont stop it?

As of today it is now a fact that the rogue agents in CA ignored his order. He will deal with it.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. They are his appointments and they serve at his pleasure. Without his

Blessing, they have no jobs. It is that simple. He can pick up the phone and say bye bye, he gave them the jobs and he can take them away. He is the President of the United States. He knows this.

[tridim]

36. Maybe he will.

How do you know for certain he wont?

[Jack Rabbit]

37. I don't know that he won't stop it and I certainly hope he does

This has been an issue for weeks. The fact that he hasn't up to now isn't encouraging.

[tridim]

42. Keep in mind, these raids are based on alleged STATE illegal activity.

Lawsuits are pending.

Maybe he's waiting to see what happens in the courts before making a snap judgment?

[Bluenorthwest]

18. The US Attorneys were appointed by Obama and serve at his pleasure.

They have his blessing or they'd not have the jobs at all. So this is silly time stuff. Obama knows he can fire them with a phone call.

[tridim]

27. Yep. That has nothing to do with the facts as stated in the article.

Actual quotes from the actual players in these "crackdowns".

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Their boss is also a player. He gives them power to do what they are doing

He can revoke it at will. He has not done so. That is all there is to it. Without his consent, they have no power.

[tridim]

38. How do you know he wont?

Obama acts on facts, not rumors like we've seen on DU for the past month.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. I think if he was against this he'd have known that already

His own policies Being betrayed and he was not aware of that? He has had weeks silently watching them take these actions using powers he gave them and he can revoke at will. You think he and Holder thought they had approved this untill this story broke? That makes no sense. He needs this to know he does not approve of their actions? Why?

[tridim]

51. He is against it. His admin supports legal MMJ. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

61. I know exactly what they say

It is not what you say at all. No one buys your unsupported word when there is public record of actions, statements and interviews. You can not provide a quote from the administration to prove this thing you say again and again because there is not such statement. His US attorneys contend that no dispensary in CA is legal. That is the current offcial position of the administration.

[woo me with science]

20. The buck stops....um....over there. nt

[Xithras]

24. I can tell you for a fact that a LOT of MMJ supporters blame Obama and Brown.

Not for their action, but for their utter and complete inaction.

Obama could end it with a phone call. He hasn't. Brown could order local LEO's to stop cooperating. He hasn't. The lack of leadership from our so-called "liberal leaders" has been astounding.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. Actually Brown can only direct the state police agencies and even then it is limited.

County and City LEOs are not under his control

[Xithras]

50. No criticism. No challenges to the federal government.

Not one word about feddie jackboots terrorizing the sick and elderly in his state while they blatantly ignore the clear and legally expressed will of the people.

His direct power over the LEO's may bee limited, but his voice still worked and his control of the governors office gave him a voice. He was elected to represent the will of the people, and instead he's ignoring one of the biggest legal problems in California in a decade. Voters said yes and made it legal. Federal thugs are crushing and arresting the citizens of his state. And he's not only failing to act, he's failing to even issue a "strongly worded statement".

It's pathetic, and it's a damned good thing that he can't run for office again.

[tridim]

30. Obama is a friend to the legal MMJ industry.

It's not his fault that lots of MMJ supporters don't know that.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. That's funny. If he was, he'd fire these us attorneys he appointed.

You should at least attempt to post links and facts. This is tiresome. Your argument in alleged defense for the President paints him as hapless and ineffective, and that is no defense I'd want for myself.

[tridim]

44. The article is loaded with facts and direct quotes from the players in the CA raids.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. You mean the US attorneys Obama appointed who serve at his

pleasure? Yeah, I saw that. Funny stuff. Why would anyone try to cover for the one person who can fire them? Who could imagine such a thing?

[newspeak]

54. I'm still wondering why obama didn't clean house in the DOJ

after he took office. After little boot's appointed some Pat Robertson allumni attorneys, some truly in lalaland, I would have immediately cleaned house.

[Xithras]

66. I half-wonder if it's a deliberate attempt by the Bush leftovers to torpedo California for the D's.

According to NORML, the State of California currently has 1.1 million registered medical marijuana users. A lot of them would normally vote Democratic, but right now nearly all of them are steaming at the feddies (and by proxy, Obama) over this crackdown.

Even if only a few hundred thousand of them are pissed off enough to stay home (and don't doubt it...some are ABSOLUTELY that pissed right now), that may be enough to swing elections to the Republicans.

Or, as one MMJ shop employee recently put it, "Why would I vote for the motherfucker whose trying to put me in a prison cell?"

As I said, part of me wonders whether this is a deliberate political move to benefit the Republican candidates. Either way, whether or not that was the intent, it's absolutely doing so.

[tridim]

72. Finally someone else gets it.

Thank you!

Ratfucking 101.

[Xithras]

77. Which still doesn't exonerate him.

It's still his DoJ. He could still act. He still hasn't done so.

Silence is consent.

[redqueen]

94. "Silence is consent."

Exactly.

[tridim]

136. What silence? His administration issued an official directive on legal MMJ three years ago.

It is still in effect.

[redqueen]

138. deleted

[frylock]

87. and it all goes back to obama and his refusal to replace bush appointees

[Bluenorthwest]

73. All of the US Attorneys involved are Obama appointments....

All of them serve at the pleasure of the President.

[Bluenorthwest]

81. These are all Obama appointments doing this.

Nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

41. They would if acted liked it. Right now his inactions say otherwise

[Xithras]

55. If I'm walking down the street....

...and I see a "friend" being attacked without cause, I'm going to jump in and help him.

Obama's "friends" are being attacked, and he's walking right on by. That says a LOT about his character.

[tridim]

62. The Obama Admin OFFICIALLY supports legal MMJ. He's not "walking right on by".

[Xithras]

76. I've had this argument with you before.

People can claim anything they want, but there's a name for claims that don't match reality. It's called lying (which, to be fair, is status quo for a politician.)

Obama claims to support MMJ, and you claim that he's a "friend" of MMJ supporters. At the same time, his own Justice Department is attacking, arresting, and prosecuting his "friends" because they participated in an action he "supports". He could end it with a phone call, but he hasn't done it.

I wouldn't want a "friend" like that. Friends help each other out. If he wants the help of California's 1.1 MILLION MMJ using "friends" on election day, he needs to offer up a little help himself.


Obama's statement about supporting MMJ carries the same weight as a Sierra Club sticker on the back bumper of a Hummer. You aren't an environmentalist just because you say that you support the environment, and you aren't a "friend" of MMJ just because you say that you support it. Let's see some action.

[tridim]

96. It's not a mere claim, it is a fact that he is a friend of legal MMJ.

[cleanhippie]

124. Yeah, just like Republicans claim to be supporting the people.

For someone who has called several people in this thread "idiots", you seem to have submerged your head into a bucket of idiocy and are drinking deeply.


Fucking classic!


:rofl:

[tridim]

135. The Obama Administration officially supports legal MMJ

As they have for the past 3 years.

[cleanhippie]

145. Bwahahahahahaha!

Keep drinking, tirdim, keep drinking.


:rofl:

[DisgustipatedinCA]

119. Your statement is untrue

The Obama administration does not support medical marijuana.

[tridim]

131. The Obama Administration officially supports legal MMJ.

As they have for the past three years.

[Angry Dragon]

122. What is legal MMJ??

I notice you have a great deal of trouble answering direct questions
to back up your claims

[tridim]

130. MMJ that has been made legal at a state level.

Obama supports legal MMJ even though Cannabis is still illegal federally.

[Angry Dragon]

137. I disagree with your Obama statement

I have never seen any words that he supports MMJ
The only thing I have ever seen is that he would not use resources to attack it
Can you provide link to show that he supports it??

Thank You

[tridim]

140. Can you show his actual words that say he doesn't support legal MMJ?

I've posted the link to his official statement hundreds of times. You've read it.

[Angry Dragon]

143. You posted that he supports MMJ

I have never seen anything where he says he supports it
Give me the link that says these things

and yes I have read numerous posts by you stating these things but have never
read where he comes out and says he supports it just that he will not use resources to shut them down

[RainbowSuperfund]

64. I Agree,

These lawyers are making his campaign promise a lie right before election season. If one of my employes made me a liar I'd fire their ass right now. But if they were doing what I wanted cover for, I guess it would look a lot like this. Obama needs to stand by the promises that got him elected.

[cleanhippie]

34. That means that Obama is unable, or unwilling, to get the DOJ to follow his stated policy on MMJ.

And that is a failure on his part.

[musiclawyer]

57. CA in play now

Unless POTUS makes someone fall on their sword.
Think I'm wrong, hmmm? Think I overstate the significance of this clusterf_ck? Then you don't live in CA where everyone knows somebody who is either sick or will get sick and chooses/will choose cannabis rather than pharma drugs. POTUS' silence is 1000X worse than POTUS' silence on the Battle of Oakland. The young people won't vote if POTUS does not LEAD. And if the millenials and gen xers don't vote..... heaven help us.

[tridim]

65. Yes, that is why these rogue actions are occuring in CA.

At least you finally get it. It's 100% pure ratfucking by people who hate the President.

[cleanhippie]

67. He has had THREE YEARS to deal with this...

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but come on, tridim, the President is NOT in charge here, and yet he has the power to deal with it and is NOT dealing with it.

[tridim]

71. Do you understand the raids were for actual lawbreaking by the 38 clubs in CA?

[Xithras]

80. Do you understand....

...that the DoJ is now threatening to prosecute newspapers, radios, and television stations that carry advertisements for MMJ? Do you understand that the DoJ has stated that local government employees who issue BUSINESS LICENSES to MMJ shops may be prosecuted for their actions? Do you understand that the DoJ is now actively threatening the owners of the retail business parks these shops are located in, threatening to seize their property if they don't chase these businesses out?

What laws did they break?

[hobbit709]

83. don't waste your time.

his mind is made up and anyone that doesn't support his POV is automatically guilty of criticizing the President.

[Xithras]

88. Oh, I know.

I've gone around with tridim before over this, and I realize that I'm not going to change his mind. This is just a subject that I get a little worked up over. Arguing can sometimes be cathartic, even when it doesn't accomplish anything :)

[cleanhippie]

115. Wow, man, you are just looking for excuses to defend this, aren't you?

In one post you say it is "ratfucking" by DOJ folks opposed to the President, and in another you say they were legitimate raids. WTF?

But keep up the great work, man, your cheerleading enthusiasm for a stated policy that is not being enforced is appreciated.

[tridim]

132. I have never said they were legit raids.

Just what has been reported, that the 38 clubs are allegedly breaking state law. We now know that Obama and Holder had nothing to do with the "crackdown" on these clubs.

[cleanhippie]

144. You keep telling yourself that.

[tridim]

146. The article I posted includes direct quotes.

If you choose to not believe them, that's your problem.

[cleanhippie]

150. I choose to believe what people DO, not what they say.

Apparently you disagree, and as long as they tell you what you want to hear, they can do whatever they want.

[Rex]

45. So he has no control over his own people?

That is how this is looking. Not good.

[Name removed]

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[truebrit71]

49. So it boils down to, either he did and he's lying about it, or he didn't, and hasn't done anything..

..to rein in his own administrations' rogue elements that are taking it upon themselves to enforce a policy that is diametrically opposite to that which has been publicly stated...

Which is it?

[Ichingcarpenter]

58. This

about what my administration has been doing on MJ in the last 3 years
Besides they don't listen to me.

[tridim]

59. The raids in question are based on alleged state lawbreaking.

Lawsuits are pending.

It is wise for Obama to let them play out before making snap judgements.

It really stuns me how many people don't undertand the basic facts surrounding these "crackdowns".

[musiclawyer]

75. Local zoning code violations

WTF aree US attorneys doing wasting their time doing local code enforcement. Really?

[hobbit709]

78. and dragging the IRS into it if it's a local issue.

[tridim]

89. Good question.

The courts will determine the answer to that question, not Obama.

[AngryAmish]

52. If this really was a rogue action, they needed to be fired yesterday

There is tremendous discretion given to US Attorneys. They must be of the highest character. As chief law enforcement officer of the nation, the President gets to set an agenda. There are so many laws on the books that knowing which ones are actively enforced helps people comply with the laws. So, Obama says MMJ was cool. Then these US Attorneys decide on their own to go against the guidance from Washington.

Thus, as supporters of the President we are confronted with a choice: either the President has changed his recommendation about MMJ or is such a poor executive that his underlings feel emboldened to ignore the guidelines set down from above.

This reeks no matter what.

[villager]

56. So the greatness of a President is now marked by their inability to affect/control Federal policy?

:shrug:

[tridim]

63. No.

[Romulox]

69. This argument only flies with those who slept through Civics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Yep

[musiclawyer]

79. WTF are US attorneys doing local code enforcement?

That's really what this is. And looked through that prism, it all looks evem more absurd than at first blush. Epic fail POTUS Yes, someone needs to fall on sword. Fast.

[tridim]

90. Again, good question.

And not a decision that is made by the President of the United States. Thank Gawd.

[slackmaster]

105. No, it's a lame question because they are NOT enforcing local codes.

They're enforcing federal law, as they interpret it.

[musiclawyer]

148. Lame comeback

They were targeting establishments in violating of local codes = code enforcement

[slackmaster]

159. Cite?

Let's see something to back up that claim.

[slackmaster]

82. The DoJ's head is the Attorney General, who reports directly and exclusively to the President

For our foreign friends and anyone else who is not familiar with the structure of our federal government.

[tridim]

95. Congratulations DU, you just unrec'ed the truth down to zero.

You must be so proud of yourselves.

If anyone comes across this post via Google, please read the story and form your own opinion based on the facts. Don't listen to this small group of DU'ers who can't admit it when they are wrong.

[slackmaster]

99. Do you understand that the President is in charge of and responsible for EVERYTHING the DoJ does?

What are you blathering about, tridim?

You seem to be trying to defend something that is clearly indefensible.

[tridim]

101. I'm defending the truth.

It's important.

[slackmaster]

104. Ipse Dixit

How does it work?

[Angry Dragon]

116. Yes the truth is important

It would be nice if you tried knowing what the truth is

Answer this: You have stated that the President would not go after legal marijuana

What is legal marijuana??

[tridim]

134. MMJ that has been legalized at the state level.

It's not that difficult to understand.

[Angry Dragon]

142. I do understand that

However the President enforces federal law and the DEA is the only one that runs marijuana farms that are federally legal

What you fail to do is connect the dots
Federal law trumps state law and the President is using federal resources to attack MMJ
You can spin it however you want but those are the facts
He is in charge of the forces that are shutting down state MMJ

Stated policies do not trump actions

All we have are your opinions and no facts to back up that the president is putting a stop
to federal resources being used to shut down state MMJ
and don't go the route of saying he is just waiting
that is a cop-out and you know it

[tritsofme]

108. Wrong about what exactly? USAs serve at the pleasure of the president.

By not firing them, he extends his implicit support. Very simple concept.

[Rex]

118. Translation - even though EVERYONE has corrected me on my

own thread - they are all wrong and I am right. :eyes:

What an ego.

Get some help, you need it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

121. You're in the definite minority

You should look around. We're ALL aware that you're wrong. Haven't you been able to see that yet?

[tridim]

133. Wrong about what?

I posted an article with direct quotes from the horse's mouth.

If you think the article is wrong, contact HuffPo.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

157. Wrong about your never ending mantra that Obama supports MMJ.

[tritsofme]

100. USAs serve at the pleasure of the president. If he disapproves, he can dismiss them.

[Autumn]

106. If this was a rogue action, Obama needs to quit

gliding through his term and actually do something. Heads need to roll.

[Odin2005]

113. Harry Truman would be ashamed.

What happened to "The buck stops here"?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

120. The 'buck' has to actually reach his desk before it can stop there

a lot of 'bucks' are stopped before they get that far

[Warren DeMontague]

126. Then he was asleep at the switch on an issue that's WAY MORE IMPORTANT than beltway punditocracacy

thinks it is.

LEGALIZE IT, REGULATE IT, TAX IT. A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SUPPORT LEGALIZATION. FUCKING ENOUGH ALREADY.

[Warren DeMontague]

128. if he gave even 1/100th of a shit, he could effect major change in about 10 minutes

frankly, he's had more than enough time, and made more than enough excuses.

[Rex]

147. Agreed.

And his lackeys don't help his case...whatever that may be.

[Pigheaded]

151. BS

You and I know different

AG's office gets permission for any forays!

PH

[cherokeeprogressive]

154. What part of "serves at the pleasure of the President" do you not understand? Please tell me.

[Ichingcarpenter]

158. You need to read this Mr. OP its from the White house

Their official statement: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2206858#2206952