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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:07 PM
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I just have to vent.
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 05:10 PM by Blue_In_AK
In the grand scheme of things, this is probably nothing, but I am ABSOLUTELY LIVID.

We had an absolutely beautiful Mayday tree in our front yard that was probably at least 40 or 50 years old. It was already huge when I moved in here 22 years ago. Here's a picture of it last spring in full bloom. The blossoms were so fragrant, you could smell the tree all along our streert.




This morning the tree trimmers who the electric utility hires to cut out branches around the lines came by and asked us if they could trim the tree up. We said sure, they've done it many times before when the branches go up in the wires. We then went downtown to buy me some shoes, and when we got home, the tree looked like this:




Now that I'm done sobbing uncontrollably and we've bitched to everyone we can think of, we do have a commitment for a new tree (not a Mayday tree, which the utility company abhors), but it will never grow as big as this one while I'm still alive. Why would someone do something like this?


Besides a tree, I think someone owes me some money. This beautiful tree definitely added to our property value and was one of the things I loved about the place when I bought it.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:11 PM
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1. Know Any Good Lawyers ???
Make 'em pay for their butchery.

:grouphug:

:loveya:

:hi:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:27 PM
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24. Yep....I'd
get one and sue the tree killers.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:33 PM
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49. That's what I'd do first, sue
This wasn't trimming, this was pure vandalism of an old and valuable tree.

The only way to get them to avoid doing it to anyone else, whether they like the species or not, is to hammer the utility in the pocketbook and get these vandals fired.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:48 AM
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92. Agreed
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 05:49 AM by MissDeeds
It was vandalism. Leaving the bare trunk is worse than taking it off at the ground. It's a constant reminder of their butchery.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:43 PM
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78. A good tree can add $20,000 to the property value
I'd start there and work my way up.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:09 PM
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164. Definitely. Get them to pay for lowering your property value.
x(
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:11 PM
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2. that is just awful. I would be so pissed off that I wouldn't be able to see straight.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:11 PM
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3. Corporations are psycopaths and need to have their heads chopped off.
Sorry, that's all I can say.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:49 PM
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38. They are definitely psychopaths and each day they feel
more and more emboldened. The corporate model combined with out of control capitalism will eventually sink this country. It's been coming on for years. Eventually the public will become unhinged about all of the bullshit.

Here is a post on the corporate monster if you've not yet seen it ...

"Out of 37 million companies 147 companies control 40% of total wealth. Banks? Why YES"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:02 PM
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202. howabout the heads of the heads?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:12 PM
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4. It's not nothing.
I take special care of the trees my mom planted before she died, I would be devastated if anything happened to them.

I am so sorry.

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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:12 PM
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5. WTF!
Unbelievable! :grr:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:13 PM
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6. Oh dear Blue, how sorry I am for this loss; can hardly imagine your pain.
:grouphug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:15 PM
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7. That is so sad.
I can not believe they did that. :cry:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:15 PM
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8. Consult an attorney
You didn't ask for advice, but really and truly, this was a very nice tree that is now a stump, and as you said added to the value of your property. You have a good recent photo of the tree in bloom, and a good follow-up of the tree in . . . less than bloom. Although laws vary from state to state, there are any number of places where this kind of arborcide is taken seriously. Check with an attorney, who can advise you whether Alaska is one of those places.

You're right: This is unconscionable. I hope the fellows in the hard hats in the second picture were on the defoliation crew; it will make empty denials from the utility company that much less effective.
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:15 PM
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9. A few years back, the city of L.A. cut down some really big
trees on my property. It turned out they thought they were on the vacant property next to me. The irony is there were no trees on the vacant property next to mine. I sued them and won, but it wasn't enough to cover the loss of three beautiful, old trees.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:16 PM
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10. That's what they call trimming?
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 05:16 PM by redqueen
:mad:

I'm so sorry... and yes you definitely have lost something of value. You should be entitled to restitution.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:16 PM
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11. oh NO!!
:hug:

Make them plant a BIG BIG tree of your choosing!
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:17 PM
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12. That is certainly NOT trimming the tree...
I understand completely what you understood as trimming when you granted them permission to clear the utility lines.

This was nothing short of clearcut, and obviously there is nothing that can be done now to restore your beautiful tree; there may be something that can be done to offer compensation towards replacing the tree.

I'd call your insurance company or lawyer and see what they say. Hopefully it won't cost you much to rectify this.

Sorry for you significant loss, I see this happen all the time.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:17 PM
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13. definitely file a lawsuit
most jurisdictions have regulations about how much you can trim a tree. i feel for you! i had my roof replaced recently and the roofer asked if he could "trim" the trees. they look pretty much like your tree except for my beautiful camellia bush which was chopped to the ground. :(
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:19 PM
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14. Sadly, been there done that.
And where I used to live, I don't believe there was any legal recourse we could take against this abomination. Utility companies have eminent domain, and the people they hire to trim trees are just flat-out butchers. They don't care about aesthetics, and they don't care if they ultimately kill the tree.

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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:36 AM
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156. Two points....
Were they exercising their rights under an easement on the property? If so, look at the language of the easement. There is usually language that gives the utility the right to trim/remove trees and other obstructions that come within a certain distance to their power lines.

Power companies do not have eminent domain. They get this in their heads that they do. Only governments have eminent domain but they often delegate that domain to private parties in the furtherance of a "public good". But you are still entitled to just compensation for the taking and the exercise, if limited, is usually subject to a reasonableness and necessary test. This clearly wasn't reasonable.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:20 PM
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15. I want to sob with you!
They murdered it.

:cry:
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:21 PM
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16. That's not tree trimming. That's VANDALISM.
And it's deliberate.

Damn.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:21 PM
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17. Assholes
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:21 PM
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18. Oh God. I would be livid
I don't understand what it is with some people and trees. My neighbors seem to actually be afraid of them and have cut down every single tree on their quarter acre lot. Every time I plant a tree they run out to ask me how big it's going to grow.

At the condo I lived in before we hired some guys to prune some trees and they did exactly the same thing to a favorite that was outside my unit. When we got angry with them, they just laughed about it. That's when I coined the phrase 'no clit' for people who tromp through life with a complete lack of sensitivity.

I'm really sorry about what happened to your tree. It would break my hear too. Hope you can find a fast growing replacement.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:22 PM
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19. I know why they did it.
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 05:23 PM by Lionessa
Not that I agree, but I know why. You said it yourself. They've done it many times before.

The power company trimmed mine and took out a couple of threatening volunteers, but I was told flat out, it was my responsibility "if I wanted it done right." They told me they were not qualified to "properly" trim a tree. If I wanted it done right I needed to hire a professional.

If you have left that tree for them on numerous occasions instead of doing your own due diligence with regard to it's growth and care, and on top of that the power company hates that type of tree for some valid reason,... by the third or fourth "trimming," and you foolishly left them to it, ... duh! You set yourself up for this.
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:33 PM
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26. No she didn't set herself up. That is nonsense.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:39 PM
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32. Yep -
Any trees that I have on the city's right of way I have professionally trimmed every year.

Otherwise my trees would look like the neighbor's butchered trees.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:39 PM
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33. They specifically asked if they could "trim" it,
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 05:55 PM by Blue_In_AK
and they ARE professionals, allegedly. They are a professional tree-trimming company who the utility company contracts to do this work. We were told that this is the second tree this week this guy whacked like this (he's the boss's son, ironically), so I suspect he's in some pretty big trouble. The tree guy from Chugach Electric and the owner of Carlo's Tree Servcie are coming out here on Wednesday to survey the damage. They wanted to pull the stump out today and plant a new tree, but we said, no, uot until the people in charge see what happened. Heads are going to roll.

I'm sorry if the kid loses his job, but we specifically told him just to trim it.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:42 PM
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35. Good luck.
Someone must of needed a lunch break. Seriously, the person who did that was angry about something.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:46 PM
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63. i hope you get compensated for this whole affair.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
209. I think you ran afoul
of a guy with a small johnson and a large chainsaw. He probably hunts bambies with a big bore hand cannon from his hummeresque pickup to compensate for his little shrimp dick too. :smoke:
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:18 PM
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42. Well aren't you just a little
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 06:19 PM by Texasgal
RAY of sunshine!

Jesus, the OP has just had their property destroyed! No one could imagine that happening especially since they have trimmed it before.

Mean people suck.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:10 PM
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57. Hey, I said, "Not that I agree with it, but..." Since has you considered your electric company
as anything but another mean corporation, peopled by mean people.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:13 AM
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102. Oh, come ON!
Seriously, you call that a "trim"? They asked if they could "trim" the tree. Words have meaning, even to dumbass mean people and corporations.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #102
114. "Words have meaning, even to dumbass mean people and corporations."
Hear, hear!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:29 PM
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47. Excuse my language, but FUCK THAT SHIT.
There is no possible way, by either implication or understanding, that one could interpret there having been consent to such a radical alteration of her property without consultation or prior agreement. Period. End of line. End of book. To suggest otherwise, that somehow she gave permission by not explicitly forbidding it, is tantamount to saying that by going in to a chiropodist for a persistent toenail infection gives them license to amputate your foot, since you hadn't taken care of the problem yourself.

Now in response to the OP... there is still some hope here. I don't know Mayday trees, but I can tell you that some trees can survive and even flourish. I had a willow tree which got a similar treatment thanks to an incompetent tree trimmer who apparently wasn't listening when it was specified which branches to leave. It looked like it had been destroyed, but the following year it sprouted a great many new tiny branches. I don't know anything about Mayday trees really, but it's possible that yours will follow suit.

This is what the willow looked like after "trimming."



Here it is the following summer.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:53 PM
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64. electric company tree guys can be total dicks. they came in (i didn't even call them) to trim near
an electrical pole. bastards drove onto my lawn to get to it, completely ripping up a 60 foot long, equipment width path to get there, which i had recently just planted and had just grown new grass.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:40 AM
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117. We have some Crepe Myrtles and Chinese cedars that can be cut to ground and come back
the next year and grow through Summer twice the size... So what you say is very true for some trees and shrubs.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #117
145. Poplars around here.
There is no killing these damn things.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #47
144. Op's tree was just trimmed.
For very large values of 'trimmed'.

Seriously, you have to watch these people. In the Seattle area it's Asphlund, and they will fucking murderize your trees if they are under a power line, unless you watch them very carefully.

Their priority is not the tree, nor your view, none of that shit. Only the integrity of the grid matters.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #144
187. Exactly what I was trying to say. If they didn't stay to observe or pay a proper arborist...
the power company just wants the fastest, least likely to need to be returned to be trimmed again any time soon, cheapest solution. If you're not there to be sure a trim is a trim, then you get whacked instead.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #19
68. Blame the victim first... classy.
If they had been asking how to I avoid getting my tree cut down then perhaps your response would have been appropriate.

However in this case we have an OP who is distraught over a loss and your post is pretty cruel.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:15 PM
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189. The victim was a tree, dingdong. The owners of the victim were
entirely naive and ignorant if they thought a huge corporation that was "trimming" their tree for free year after year, weren't surely going to whack it the first chance they got, for example when the owners wave goodbye after the whackers arrive. I mean I'm sorry, the power company has no obligation to do good job trimming anyone's trees for free, dreamworld bullshit. By the OP's own admission, they had gotten advance warning where they could've handled their own tree with their own time, energy, and/or money, but instead chose to let the power company do it for free. Let's not forget it was the property owner's responsibility to keep her/his trees out of the power lines, and he/she apparently has never done it. Even a non-mean person would get tired of that shit, whole neighborhood feuds have been started over who is or isn't trimming trees that hang over fences and roofs.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #19
128. I was told the opposite
I did some trimming myself and the power company guy told me not to mess with trees around those line that the lines carried 10,000 volts and I should let them (the power company) handle it.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #128
146. And they will.
Right down to an ant's knee height.

I mentioned it upthread, but, their only concern is the grid. If the trees are within 10 feet of the neutral line, they will flatten them.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #146
192. Exactly! Beauty isn't their concern, power lines and wasted time are.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #128
191. Yes, but you aren't supposed to let them get that close to start with.
That's the thing. It is every property owner's responsibility to keep their their trees so-n-so (don't know the distance) far from power lines. If you don't you should get a notice that they will be doing it if you don't, then they do it. My notice clearly said that if I wanted a "proper and professional" trimming, then hire someone before such-n-such a date.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:40 PM
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198. Well, you deserve a correction, too.

It is "its," not "it's", when you are using the possessive. So you could say, "It's its growth pattern." But not "It's it's growth pattern." Just sayin'. Duh.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #198
211. Good catch, typing errors happen.
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:23 PM
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20. That's just tragic.
I live in a town where cutting down growing things is apparently considered a civic good. I cannot understand it myself.

I hope you can at least get them to pay for the damage, although it won't undo the harm they've done.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:23 PM
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21. Quite the coppicing job
It may come back nicely next year, especially since they left a tall center trunk. You should google the terms "coppice" and "pollard" and see what they say about this particular species, and whether you need to do anything to seal the cuts before winter sets in. Oaks, mulberries and many other species will come back from an even more severe hacking.
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cyglet Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:33 PM
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27. Some things do well
even better, in fact, after being cut back. Research the tree.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:41 AM
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108. True.
I have a hibiscus in my yard that had to be whacked almost to a stump after the hurricanes of 2004. I figured it was done for but it's back and even more beautiful now. That being said, I know absolutely nothing about this type of plant. Hard to say what the damage is at this point. I can certainly understand the emotional devastation.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:23 PM
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22. I would be crying too
bastards!! I am so sorry. They definitely owe you something - get a lawyer if necessary.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:25 PM
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23. I'm so sorry. They have to pay for it to be fully removed at minimum.
:hug:
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:28 PM
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25. You have a case, plain and simple. I don't know how I would have kept from
exploding if that had happened to me.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:41 PM
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34. Oh, believe me, we exploded.
I'm not normally in the habit of cursing at people, but I was yelling "you motherfuckers" at the top of my lungs. They were quite aware that we were not pleased.
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:03 PM
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162. I may have done more than t;hat.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:34 PM
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28. OMG.....
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:35 PM
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29. Disgusting bastards.
:mad:

Trim a few branches?
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:37 PM
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30. That's awful. Was the tree on City property or your property?
I have two great big trees out front but they are really City trees on an easement.

If they cut them down I don't think there is much I could do about it.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:37 PM
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31. Think about this. Were they republicans who could tell
you were a democrat?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:42 PM
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36. I would sue them, or at minimal investigate it ... n/t
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snort Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:47 PM
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37. What a complete fuckhead thing to do.
One of the jerks is looking over his shoulder at the picture taker and he looks like he knows he fucked up. Sue them.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 05:57 PM
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39. Butchers


I hope this tree will come back, maybe sending up shoots from the stump base for you.

That looks like a pitifully amateur job to me.

Here, the utilities and county have 16 ft. from the road back but they try to cut sparingly.


Sorry about your beloved tree :hug:







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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:08 PM
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40. "Trim" the tree????
Horrible. I would be sad and quite angry too. I hope you get some compensation.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:10 PM
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41. Oh my goodness, I'd be livid and devastated, too!!!
I'm so sorry that happened... :hug:

Hold them accountable.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:18 PM
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43. Will it re-sprout?
Many hardwood trees with good strong root
systems will.

For example, it can be damned hard to actually
kill a white oak; as many times as you cut it,
it will re-sprout.

Tesha
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:31 PM
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48. It would resprout from the bottom,
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 06:31 PM by Blue_In_AK
which is NOT what we would want. We've spent years trying to keep the suckers trimmed off the base of the tree and the lower part of the trunk so that it would form into a nice canopy instead of gigantic bush. These trees tend to get quite weedy if you don't tend to them, so every spring I'd be out there with the snippers lopping off those little branches. You can tell from looking at the tree as it was that we have been trying to mold it into a pleasing shape. No, sadly, I think the tree is a loss.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:24 PM
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59. It's likely that one remaining leader will also re-sprout.
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 07:24 PM by Tesha
Careful pruning over the next decade or so
could encourage growth you'll like.

Tesha
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:23 PM
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204. I'm sorry :(
I was hoping there was hope for your tree.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:40 PM
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50. It probably will but the OP will NEVER see it the way it was prior to the butchering. nt
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:21 PM
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58. True, but some trees come back well.
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 07:22 PM by Tesha
We had a "weeping birch" that appeared to die off
shortly after we moved-in to this house. There was
nothing left but a short stump. But before we could
decide what to do and replace it, it re-sprouted.
Probably it was a graft and the grafted-on section
failed, leaving the original non-weeping root stock
to re-sprout. Now, a little more than a decade later,
it's a full-sized beautiful birch tree. The strong
roots enabled very fast growth.

We've also got some weeping willows in our back yard
that grew from 18" chunks of branches from the former
on-site willow that fell over in a storm. The chunks
of branches were left on wet ground, rooted, and
sprouted. Now we've got to thin and separate them.

We had some azaleas in a bad place near our front
door and I whacked em, I mean chopped most of them
right down to just stumps. I was going to discard
them, but Mr. Tesha moved all the stumps to a hill-
side that needed some retaining growth. I was
doubtful, but every one of them grew fine and
flowered!

Finally, we have an ornamental tree that lives in a
greenhouse in our house; it had been there since we
moved in. A couple of years ago, we adopted a pair
of parrots to live in the greenhouse and the female
of the pair decided she was going to strip the tree.
She did it very effectively and it looked like the
tree was a goner, but this summer, we moved it out-
side and essentially every branch re-sprouted. Just
tonight, it came back in to the house (before the
hard freezes hit New Hampshire). It's not back in
the greenhouse yet but will be soon, this time under
bird netting to protect its luxuriant new growth.

Deciduous trees are marvels of regenerative potential,
especially if they have root systems that have had
years to store energy and tap water sources.

I'll bet if the OP really wanted the tree back, it
could happen inside a decade.

Tesha
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:32 PM
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61. You believe in magic. Take a look at the original photo.


No way in 10 years will it be that tall or thick.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:59 PM
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65. You'd be amazed what can happen.
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 08:02 PM by Tesha
As I and several others have mentioned, this tree
still has the root system of the full tree, not
the sad stunted root ball of a just-planted
sapling.

Shall I tell you about another willow of ours
that was totally decimated in two successive
winters' major ice storms? After the second,
there was nothing left but just about what
the OP showed in their picture. But we waited,
and two years later, it needs a serious pruning
or it will have once again achieved "way too
big / gonna fail" status again!

Tesha

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:23 PM
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70. Wrong again.
"Growth

The mayday tree has moderate growth and typically reaches about 20 feet high after 20 years of growth. Its full height is 30 to 35 feet. It does not grow well in fine-textured soils. It has a low tolerance for drought and a medium-salinity tolerance. The mayday spreads out about as wide as its height and exhibits a rounded shape with branches appearing low on the main stem. The annual growth rate ranges between 12 to 18 inches."

It may indeed sprout again however the OP will be waiting a very long time to see it as it was last week. Are you defending tree butchers through the use of minimizing the damage of shitty anti-aborist tactics like butchering?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:10 AM
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101. As I said, this *ISN'T* the same situation as when the tree originally grew.
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 07:11 AM by Tesha
It still has the same root volume as it had several
days ago; it needn't grow that again but can instead
use that enormous resource of root surface area and
stored energy to re-grow the top growth.

But it doesn't really matter to me: if you and/or the OP
want to wallow in misery and moan about what has hap-
pened rather than plan for the future, more power to you;
it's a very DU thing to do! Of course I don't support what
happened! Should the OP sue or seek other recourse?
Yes, of course, if only to teach the power company not
to do this again to the OP or anyone else.

But one can either move forward as best as one can or
one can stay stuck in place. I prefer moving forward and
I *KNOW* through lots of personal experience that deciduous
trees and shrubs are capable of amazing things.

Tesha
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:43 AM
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109. I like your attitude.
I sympathize with the emotional shock and believe a certain amount of hand-wringing is normal, but looking productively ahead at what both might be possible and what can reasonably be done is certainly a good stance to adopt.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:59 AM
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112. Thank you! (NT)
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:09 AM
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129. "but looking productively ahead at what both might be possible..."
So the utility company could have looked ahead to see what might be possible regarding what could reasonably be done about trimming the branches 'just enough' for their purposes and not down to a stump.

Am I right?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:01 AM
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138. We can't control what anyone else thinks or does. Only our own actions and reactions.
I am not arguing the utility company screwed up. That would be a given, wouldn't it? But now that they have, there remain many ways one could respond to their error. The homeowner is now presented with many choices on how to proceed.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:20 PM
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44. That is horrible I would report them for destroying the tree
there was no cause for that! If I had the MONEY I might even get a lawyer. :mad:
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:23 PM
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45. My first instinct would be to use my new kindling to burn down their office. nt
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:29 PM
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46. devastating....
livid is an understatement... I am so sorry
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:42 PM
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51. O.M.G.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:43 PM
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52. That's what a "trim" looks like?
I'd be pissed, too. :mad:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:50 PM
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53. i don't know if this will help, but one time a drunk knocked over one of my trees. I took the ins $$
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 06:51 PM by dionysus
bought an $11 hatchet, and cut it down (wasn't as big as your tree.). i didnt want to spend the money (ok, didn't have the money) to have the stump ground out, so i left it there. The next spring, shoots started growing out of the stump. by the end of that year, it was 6 feet tall. a year later, it was 12 feet tall. It had the root system of an adult tree, so once it started from scratch, it grew very, very quickly.

It's a different kinf of tree than what you have, but it is possible that it will start growing back.

On the other side of my house, the neighbors had a tree next to power lines cut down, but left the stump.. that too is growing again, rapidly.

might not be a total loss if you're lucky!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:52 PM
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54. The problem is that this kind of tree
is real bad about sending up suckers so that all the work we've done over many years to train it essentially is lost. I don't want a bush, I wanted a tree.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:55 PM
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56. my bad. the tree i had grow back is bush-like... imagine the top of a tree coming out of the ground.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:53 PM
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55. jeebus keerist!
:wtf:

who the fuck calls that a trim???!!!

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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:30 PM
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60. I'm so sorry. Some things are just things, but the things you LOVE are meaningful
Something beautiful that was a source of simple but real pleasure for you for many years is gone. You must have wanted to throw up when you came home and saw this. I really am sorry. :hug:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 07:33 PM
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62. omg that's awful. I'd be crying my eyes out too.
wtf?????!!!!!!!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:00 PM
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66. They left a stump.
Is that supposed to grow?

You've got a legitimate complaint.

Good luck, Blue_In_AK.

Steve in Portland.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:04 PM
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67. That is terrible. The city did the same to a tree in my back yard (or the contractors they hired),
but they didn't even bother to ask - they just informed me what they were there to do and cut it down. When I complained to the city, they said they were sorry it had to happen but that it was in an "utilities easement" or some such legalese, and bid me good day.

I didn't pursue it at the time, but I would definitely look into my legal options were I you.

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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:32 PM
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71. We have an easement for the state road that runs in front of our house
They marked it with brass markers encased in concrete to let us know where they can basically do what they want. We knew about this because it is clearly stated in our deed.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:20 PM
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69. The electric companies do this because there is rarely legal recourse.
The first legal hurdle is getting over the "we had permission to do it" argument that the electric company will put forward. Second even if you do get past that you have to tell the court your specific dollar damages. Those damages are not something pulled from thin air or from emotional attachment. That have to be specific and provable. It is likely the damages would be less than the cost of an attorney.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:35 PM
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72. Holy FUCK, that ain't trimming, that's Tree Murder! The bastards!
:grr:
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Papagoose Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:35 PM
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73. A contractor in my county is out cutting down all the trees they can
They are doing work for the power company, but I see them cutting down trees that aren't even close to the lines.

Where I live, "green" seems to be the enemy...we moved here because our house was out in the woods, but one by one, our neighbors are clearing their lots (more room for Teabagger yard signs). Our first year here, we had deer, turkeys and even a bear once walking around our property. Today, just blackbirds, vultures and the occasional squirrel.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 08:43 PM
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74. I'd cry too
Still, the tree will grow -I'd give it seven years.
I remember crying after Hurricane Gilbert and an old man promised me that it would take seven years for our lovely trees to heal completely. They did recover.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:25 PM
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75. Because it's easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.
They wanted to destroy it. They knew you'd be mad, but also that once they'd done it, you wouldn't be able to do anything to bring the tree back.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:27 PM
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76. Were they drunk?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:38 PM
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77. That's awful.
Maybe even criminal? There has to be some recourse beside bitching. Hope you can get heads to roll.

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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:43 PM
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79. That's out and out butchery.
Appalling...I'm so sorry this happened to you.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 09:44 PM
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80. Fucking A.
I'm sorry! :(
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:08 PM
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81. One last look at this magnificient tree.
My daughter took this from her iPhone last summer and just sent it over to cheer me up. Now I feel like crying all over again. The blooming of the Mayday tree was the sign that summer was really here, which means a LOT to an Alaskan. I'll be okay until spring, but I don't know how I'm going to feel when I don't see those lovely flowers along about May 25th.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:50 PM
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82. Beautiful...
I'm so sorry.

SUE THEM!!!

It'll make me feel better... and probably you too.

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:11 PM
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83. That tree is beautiful, like a member of the family...
Sue for full restitution. Monetary damages, more tacked on for emotional distress and loss of property value. Then a new tree, a goliath! Steam-shovels and large cranes will be in order for new planting...Grrrrr, bastards.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:20 PM
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197. Yep, make them bring a full-grown one in from somewhere! (n/t)
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:05 AM
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88. Did they cut down the electric pole that was next to it too?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:38 AM
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91. No, but they did knock down one of the wires
into my neighbor's yard. And that is also after they drove right into her front yard with the chipper and the manlift thing. Bunch of amateurs.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:45 AM
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120. Blue....leave it the way it is and see if it comes back next Spring...but,
make sure they know that if it doesn't come back you want compensation. It looks like they left a large part of it and maybe that will sprout.

I know this is devastating ...we had something similar with a different tree years ago and never got over it, but some species of trees or large shrubs can come back amazingly strong.

Google the name of the tree and see what kind of pruning it can take. I'm not familiar with May Day Tree but we have crepe myrtles here that grow up to 50 feet and they can be pruned back to a stump and grow twice the size and full the next Summer. It's almost impossible to kill them. There are large shrubs that will come back the same.


Google and at least that will give you some information in your dealing with the Power Co. or even if you find it will come back it will help you with the angst. The one part in your photo does look like it might have a chance.

:hug:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:44 PM
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167. No, they took it down the rest of the way.
It is a stump, nothing more. If it were to come back at all, it would be as a bunch of little suckers at the base of what used to be the trunk of the tree. The tree is a loss.

This morning we made a two-sided sign that says, "Carlos Tree Service MURDERED this old tree without our permission," and put it next to where the tree used to stand. Most of all, I wanted to alert the neighbors that we had nothing to do with the destruction of this tree, which had lent its beauty to this neighborhood for 30 or 40 years at least.
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:43 PM
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199. Good for you!...
I'm with the others who think you should contact the local news.

:hug:
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:35 AM
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155. Looking at the beautiful tree in the picture...
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 11:37 AM by onpatrol98
I simply cannot go back and look at the butchered version. I cannot imagine how you feel. It must be a great loss and I'm sorry for your loss. They should be required to hire an arborist (or whoever the appropriate professional would be to advise you on your tree) and pay restitution. You simply could not be paid enough to compensate you for the love you had for the tree or the effort you put into nurturing it over the years. But, this company certainly needs to feel the pain from such a devastating hack job or they will continue to do it to unsuspecting customers. What happened was not a trim...and as a customer, you had a right to expect that they people who asked to trim it on behalf of the company was competent and they clearly were not. Not to mention, if they are this incompetent in "trimming" a tree, what else should you be worried about?
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TuxedoKat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:20 PM
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84. I'm so sorry
I feel really sad for you and your tree -- what a horrible thing to do. (((HUGS)))
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:43 PM
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85. DAMMIT! Chainsaw MASSACRE!
OMG. No wonder you're so upset! That tree was GORGEOUS! Sue their asses. Do not let them get away with that. :cry:
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:52 PM
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86. I nearly lost my teeth on that second picture. That is just awful. What was those idiots thinking?
Are they professional tree trimmers hired by the electric company? Yes, somebody needs to pay for that.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:02 AM
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87. That really sucks.
My first guess would probably be that some asshole told them to make this the last time they ever have to pay somebody to go out there and trim that tree.

I know I'd be raising holy hell...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:16 AM
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89. Creative
:sarcasm:
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:27 AM
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90. WHAT THE FUCK?
I'd be livid as well.

What were they thinking.....or NOT THINKING????
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jerseyjack Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:54 AM
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93. Small claims court
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GTurck Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:02 AM
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94. We have..
an arguably 200 year old Live Oak on our property - thankfully not close to power lines - but I would be devastated by its loss. These trees are history, beauty, shelter, food, etc to the world and it takes sensitivity to trim them. I am so sorry you have lost yours.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:02 AM
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95. Sorry about your loss, Blue. That was a beautiful tree.
But I have to agree with those who say that your chances of winning in court are fair, at best, and that your compensation, if you win, is likely to be less than the cost of hiring an attorney.

Nevertheless, if you have the money and want to make a statement, you may still wish to hire an attorney. Perhaps it will do some good. It will almost certainly make you feel a little better.

Peace.

-Laelth
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:05 AM
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96. that is so sad.
i'm sorry.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:09 AM
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97. I'd definitely contact a lawyer, but I'd also
call any local TV station that has a consumer affairs/advocacy segment. Not only would the utility company get the bad publicity they deserve, but others would know not to trust these dolts with their beloved trees.

So sorry this happened to you, Blue. Stay mad and get even.



:hug:
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:15 AM
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Excellent idea.
Turn this into news. Your loss has been great but maybe you can prevent the same thing from happening to more absolutely lovely trees.
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:11 AM
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98. what a beautiful tree
...I am so sorry to see this. Hope everything works out o.k.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:52 AM
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BrendaBrick Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:05 AM
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100. This is a story for the local news
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:15 AM
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103. OMG! I would have gone balistic
and I do not go balistic easily. Awful, mean, stupid, and idiotic.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:15 AM
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104. I would have pushed that worker into the woodchipper in the second pic
Just sayin'.

Sue the fuck out of them.

Rp
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2pooped2pop Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:17 AM
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105. I would say they owe you at least 2,000
that's how much a company paid to cut one of my parents trees down years ago just because it interfered with their reception. It was a nothing special tree. I think I would talk to a lawyer on it. just to check. Not only for your reimbursement, but because this is so symptomatic of all the things wrong with those who think they can do whatever they want to the "little people" If they have to pay 20 grand for chopping up that tree, they will think twice before doing the chop chop again.
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cppuddy Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:20 AM
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106. I am a trained tree trimmer. And that is no to trim a tree.
All it needed was some pruning and shaping of the top and sides. What idiots such a nice tree. It was also no threat to the power lines.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:34 AM
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107. I would bet my bottom dollar that it was a Christian group that did this because


to them, maybe Mayday is a pagan ritual.... I'm not kidding you.

Get yourself a lawyer! Do you remember who did this?
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:55 AM
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110. OUTRAGEOUS......Sue the bastards!
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:59 AM
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111. Thats not tree trimming, thats vandalism!
Pure and simple!
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:59 AM
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113. When I looked at the picture your daughter sent you....
I could see just how much privacy that tree gave your house too.

It was such a beautiful tree. I'm really sorry you lost it and in such a cruel way just makes the loss hurt more. Bastards!!!!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:37 AM
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115. Looks like the work a of a drunk
meth abuser. He just got into hacking and couldn't stop. No one said you had to be smart to operate a chain saw. There's a price to be paid for ignorance, and the utility company is ultimately at fault as they contracted the vandals.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:37 AM
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116. Why does this make me think of George Bush and his chainsaw down on his cattle-less ranch?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:42 AM
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118. Oh God, Blue!
I read your post on this yesterday on fb but didn't see the second shot. What fucking assholes! These people "trim" trees like Bush "knew" Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Looks like those weapons were sent to Alaska and given to the city trimming crew. Fuuuuuck!

:hug:
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mercuryblues Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:25 AM
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133. I'm trying
to think up ways we could get the Wall St bankers to go to the guy that trimmed the tree, for a "shave."
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:49 PM
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168. You do remember the tree, don't you, Intheflow
It seems like it would maybe have still been blooming when you were up here, or just past blooming. It was a beauty.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 06:07 PM
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210. Right in the front yard, by your driveway, right?
Your yard is beautiful - one of the most beautiful on your street. It increases the value of all the homes around you. This is a travesty.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:43 AM
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119. Destruction of private property. SUE! n/t
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:45 AM
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121. What a horrible mutilation
I hope your poor tree manages to re-sprout.

By the way, for those who are interested, a Mayday tree is also known as a bird cherry tree. Known in Latin as Prunus padus, It is related to cherry, plum, and peach trees. Estonians call it toomingas. I had no idea what a Mayday tree was until I looked it up.

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_padus
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:49 AM
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122. It's shameful that someone who calls themselves "professional"
would do this to a beautiful tree. I'm so sorry your tree was assaulted in this manner. I hope it will grow back. You might need to get something to paint the stumps with to protect them during your long winters, though, and there are probably people in your county extension office who can help advise you.

Several years ago, the power company came and topped out several silver maples on my property line. They looked like shit for a whole year, but they grew back and soon it wasn't that noticeable. This summer, the power company sent tree trimmers back and this time they did a very good job using lopers instead of chainsaws. The trees look beautiful now. I hope yours will recover.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:50 AM
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123. Get local news to cover this story
Call company that employs these tree trimmers and complain. Also contact a lawyer and sue. That was not trimming. That was vandalism. Those trimmers should lose their job and you should be compensated.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:15 AM
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131. Yep, I agree!!! n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:51 AM
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124. Oman :(
That blows big time, Blue.
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hue Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:06 AM
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125. This is terrible!! They had no right to do this!!! Sue them!!! :-(
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:07 AM
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126. I would definitely conflate the language on this one--you know they will
You said trim--they will say that is what they did.

HOWEVER...your analogy should be a haircut.

If you have long beautiful hair and you go in for a "trim"...you do NOT expect to have your head shaved.

THIS is what happened here.

Good luck and it pisses me off too. What a gorgeous tree you had... :cry:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:08 AM
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127. Yep, you need a lawyer. And call your local newspaper if you don't get justice.
Or maybe a local TV station.

I would argue with any judge that considers this "frivolous".

On the personal side, I makes my heart hurt to see this done to such a beautiful tree and on your property.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:14 AM
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130. What the????????
Yeah, I would be livid too!

I LOVE trees.

I love MY trees.

There are a couple of trees in my yard that absolutely have to go. A birch that keeps dropping branches on my sun room roof, and a pine out by the driveway that is slowly dying from the bottom up.

I know they have to go, but I can't stand the thought of not seeing them there where I've seen them the past 15 1/2 years.

So I can imagine the pain you must be feeling now over the loss of a tree that certainly looked perfectly healthy.


One thing I've come to realize over the years is that when someone...anyone...says they are going to "trim", find out what their concept of "trim" is. If the hairdresser "trims" five inches off your hair, it will grow back quickly enough. If utility workers "trim" a tree to the ground, that's it. No more tree.

I'm sorry about your tree.

:(

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:24 AM
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132. that's brutal
although I am betting that tree comes back with a vengeance. It doubtless has a giant root system, and those roots want to be fed. They will produce many branches and leaves in order to provide themselves with food. Further, since the trees life has clearly been threatened, it is likely to produce blossoms and fruit by the ton as well. One year I cut down about half of a big thronapple tree on my land. The remaining part of the tree was loaded with fruit. Trees don't think, but it was like the tree was thinking "omigod, somethings trying to kill me, I had better reproduce".

Living in Kansas, I am now amazed at how fast things grow. I moved into this house 10 years ago in November. It was not until late in the next summer that I noticed I was getting baked by the sun because I had no trees on the west side. So I transplanted some 6 foot samplings that were growing elsewhere on my 3/4 acre city property. An elm and a maple, both of which are now taller than my 3 story house.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:37 AM
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134. Give it a couple of seasons. You may be pleasantly surprised by regrowth.
It clearly sprouts new trunks from the same root and it looked really strong in the first picture. There's a good chance it will produce new growth in the spring and after a few years you may find it has become even more beautiful. In the mean time, sue the fucking shit out of the bastards that did that to it and enjoy the firewood.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:41 AM
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135. GET A GOOD LAWYER and sue the MFKRS...that is criminal what they did
I feel for you .....how sad....
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:50 AM
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136. That is just obscene
Someone really violated your trust. I would get an attorney. So sorry.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 09:56 AM
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137. You treehuggers are all the same
I know because I cried when we lost our 200 year-old oak tree in the backyard because the insanely ignorant builder totally disregarded the perimeter we established around the tree. He ran septic lines nearly to the trunk. The next spring the beautiful, showcase oak feebly blossomed, then died.

It's been 17 years and I'm still upset.

Why? 'Cause I'm a proud treehugger like you.

Sue the living hell of them.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:01 AM
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139. I think someone owes you some money too.
That was more along the lines of a tree butchering than a tree trimming.

A mayday tree should recover from that. It will still take a while and if I were you I'd still raise seven kinds of hell about it.
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:10 AM
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140. If that is on your property and not the utility easement I would sue for dop
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:13 AM by sandyj999
These trimmers either do nothing or are so destructive it's unbelievable. I would be livid also and get myself a good attorney. I will add that I used the word "trimmer" loosely. They are butchers.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:25 AM
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141. They didn't "trim" it. They mutilated it. This isn't a bad haircut
that will grow out in a few weeks. They have reduced the value of your property with malice. I agree with everyone here who says you should consult an attorney.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:27 AM
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142. Wow. That's just malicious. So sorry to see such a beautiful tree destroyed by idiots.
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 10:30 AM by DirkGently
My father had some minor landscaping done in his backyard, and pointed out and marked a huge, healthy, tangerine tree that produced maybe a hundred pounds of the best tangerines I'd ever tasted every year. They forgot the conversation, and what the marker meant, and cut it down. They brought him a little stick to replace it, which never grew or produced anything.

Sounds like these guys dislike this particular kind of tree as you noted, and took the opportunity to play a nasty little trick. I'm imagining the guy looking back over his shoulder in the pic is thinking about that.

Not in favor of suing over every slight by any means, but I don't think it would be out of line in a case like this. Anyone would know such a "trimming" would kill the tree, or at least effectively wipe it out for decades. And they left you with the huge, awkward looking stump to boot. They ought to have to pull the stump and replace it with a mature tree of similar size, or the value of that. I'd imagine a tree like the one you lost might cost $20,000 or more. They might argue the company has right to trim if it has an easement, but this was tree-icide.

Awful.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:31 AM
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143. We call that a chainsaw massacre. That's the only way they know to
"trim" shade trees down here in Lost Angeles. They typically do it in June or July, too, so the tree has no leaves during summer and later dies of the stress.

It's what we get when we turn illiterate sub-minimum wage immigrants loose with chainsaws rather than hiring a proper arborist. YMMW. Oughtta be a law.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:41 AM
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147. I'm so sorry Blue. I know my mother would have skined them all alive
if they had done this on her property..........and I'm being EVER so slightly hyperbolic when I say that.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:43 AM
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148. Your tree is not native to Alaska and is considered
an invasive tree. They are also poison for moose.

http://whatdoino-steve.blogspot.com/2011/06/may-day-tre...

From what I have gathered, your tree may come back to life, actually healthier than before. These type of trees will put out suckers in the spring, at the base of the tree, these have to be removed so that the larger tree gets all the nutrition. As I look at the stumps, it looks like some suckers were allowed to get large, and could have caused a problem down the road. This was the correct time of the year to have them 'trimmed', as they will have a better chance of re-growing in the spring. This is definitely a hardy tree.

It is prone to a disease called black fungus, which can only be cured by 'trimming'. I would suggest finding out what you can about the tree, trimming it when it needs to be trimmed, and in no time it should be pretty much back the way you liked it.

zalinda


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SpankMe Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:47 AM
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149. Way overkill.
Perhaps the management at the utility company needs a haircut implemented in this same fashion? (A light trim to the base of the neck - FIGURATIVELY AND SARCASTICALLY SPEAKING.)

You should take this to a local newspaper. If they publish it, at least you'll get the utility company and tree trimmers a little negative publicity.

This just goes to how unsophisticated, clueless and insensitive the trimmers are. I'd bet all I have that every one of them is politically conservative.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 10:55 AM
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150. I would sue them. That in no way is described in the phrase "trim your tree".
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:01 AM
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151. I had a beautiful historic maple in my front yard
easement that they just came without warning and took down--said it was diseased and dangerous. I screamed and made them stop mid way through the job and called everyone I knew to make them quit....even though they had already gotten past the point of no return.

My complaints were dismissed by the city planner because I had "cursed" at the perpetrators and was said to have generally acted like an insane person. I did, however, get the council to pass procedures providing for notice and for homeowners to have the opportunity for independent consultation and ability to contest their rulings before any other trees were butchered.

I felt raped and swore I could feel that tree's pain. Shortly thereafter they took my whole house through eminent domain. I have since become very detached from my surroundings and lost any sense of control over what I thought I owned or was responsible for.

Your "trim" looks purely malicious. No signs of disease. Like with rape victims, you must pursue this with vigor to regain your power. Good luck and best wishes.
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paulkienitz Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:08 AM
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152. it may be appropriate to lawyer up
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:19 AM
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153. Erect a sign: LANDSCAPING BY (insert appropriate company name here)!!
We had a similar but less traumatic experience a few months back. I arrived home to find the bucket truck in our driveway and a number of trees already pruned/limbed back to the 15-foot clearance line. The men who were doing the cutting were responsive to my request to 'go easy' on the big white oaks that needed limbing. They also cut the limbs into fireplace-length laps so I could use them for firewood. Normally they would haul them away and chip them.

I'm so sorry that this was done to your beautiful tree, blue. That appears to have been uncalled for judging by the degree of slaughter they laid on your tree.

I agree with whoever said, 'get a lawyer'.

The LANDSCAPING BY DUKE ENERGY sign was popular in our neighborhood after their tree trimming contractors visited us.

REC

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:57 PM
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169. Thank you, Bertman
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 12:58 PM by Blue_In_AK
As I noted above, we put out a two-sided sign this morning that said "Carlos Tree Service MURDERED this old tree without our permission." I laid in bed for a long time last night worrying that our neighbors were going to think that we did this ourselves. The tree has a long history on this street, all the kids used to play in it, the Bohemian waxwings would come around at Christmastime in huge flocks to eat the berries, and in the spring you could smell its fragrance on the whole street. It really was kind of a community tree, being on the street, and sadly the ONLY tree on our property.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:22 AM
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154. Woe! K&R
RECALL SCOTT WALKER!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:39 AM
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157. "We had to destroy the village to save it" -- !!!!
Haven't seen anything this beautiful destroyed here --

but with Global Warming, heavy rains and strong winds ....

trees are the enemies!!

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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:43 AM
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158. Terribly sorry, but your options are non-existant.
You have no right to plant trees in the utility easement or expect that they will remain unmolested.

Its unfortunate, but it is life.

We expect the utility company to provide us uninterrupted power,and part of providing that is to clear potential hazards from the easements on a regular basis. Your May Day tree was deemed a threat to the lines and an arborist said the only way to remove the threat was to cut down the tree.

May this be a lesson to everyone: plant your ornamental trees away from utility easements. Plant slow growing trees or small plants in the easement.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:53 AM
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159. I really don't have a polite thing to say to that
Shame on you.
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:57 AM
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160. For telling the truth?
There is NO shame in the truth.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:33 PM
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166. Then why does your post contain an outright fabrication?
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:35 PM
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178. What part is a fabrication?
None of what I said is untrue.

I just went through this last spring with my utility company and I am well aware of the rights of homeowners in regards to easements - there are none.

Utility easements generally extend 20' in all directions, and they can do whatever they want. You have no legal recourse and they have no obligation to pay you for their destruction.

It's just a fact of life.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:06 PM
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173. by the way- you owe an apology to the OP
and to humanity as a whole, I would say.
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:38 PM
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180. For knowing the rules of utility easements?
How DARE I!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:43 PM
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182. The base of the tree was inside the easement per the op.
Post 170.

They didn't plant it themselves, and no arborist was consulted per anyone but you.

And in post 171 the OP goes on to say:


(A)nd as it turns out, he is the owner's son who we later learned from a different supervisor had taken out someone else's ornamental earlier this week. The second supervisor who came to talk to us said he had worked on that tree many times, loved it himself and was very sorry that this had happened. The guy in charge of "danger trees" at the electric company said there are some things he wants to talk to us about that he didn't want to discuss while he was at work, which leads me to believe that they may be having many complaints about Carlos Tree Service. He and Carlos himself are coming out here tomorrow to discuss what can be done.



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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:55 PM
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184. According to Alaska rules the easement is 30'.
If the tree was anywhere within 30' of the power line, it's in the easement.

Considering I can SEE the power line in the second picture in the OP, I would assume that it's within 30'

As for the arborist, I was referencing standard procedures of the utility I live in,and the one my FIL worked for.

If they didn't consult an arborist it doesn't really matter. If it was within 30' of the line, it's in the easement. This isn't that difficult.

My point about it being a lesson is for anyone else planting trees, not necessarily the OP. I didn't plant the trees AEP cut down last spring, but I knew when I moved in they were encroaching.

Like I said, the whole thing is unfortunate, but necessary.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:05 PM
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185. If it's within 30 feet of the line
that's practically the width of my lot, and I'm not kidding about that. This lot is actually a half-width lot, which is why the duplex is situated front to back and we have a very small yard. The offending lines, which are actually the phone lines since the electric lines are much higher and were NOT impacted by the tree, are literally about three feet off the edge of my carport roof.

A little history, When I first moved into this place, it had a flat roof and the lines ran diagonally across from a pole on the northeast corner of my property to one on the southwest corner. In the winter I'd have to get up on the roof to shovel off the snow because the roof was bad. Sometimes the lines would be literally sagging down into the snow. When I had a pitched roof put on, the utility companies had to come out and install a new pole and wiring because my roof would have interfered with their existing line. This whole neighborhood is covered with wires -- it's a wonder anyone could even build a house in here.

For those familiar with Anchorage, I live in the Spenard-Turnagain area, which is an old part of town with "iffy" zoning.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:00 PM
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170. We didn't plant the tree.
The tree has been there for decades, maybe even before these particular lines were there, and the utility company has had it trimmed many times before. The base of the tree was NOT in the utility easement.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:05 PM
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172. I'd like to apologize for all the truly heartless, callous people on this thread
I can't believe anyone would take a "tough shit, your fault" attitude about this. How heartless do you have to be?

Truly sorry for your loss, Blue. That was a fine tree and it'll never grow back the same, if it does at all...
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:38 PM
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179. I know it is terrible.
They usually have a right to trim on 20' of all sides of their lines. So any branches or trees that threaten their lines (say, during an ice storm) are going to be removed.

The even worse part, for you, is that they will likely be back to finish cutting the tree down and then they will grind the stump.

I lost 3 maples and a pine last spring to their maintenance. It sucks, but I understand their needs as well.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:45 PM
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183. Yes, they dd do that.
They wanted to grind out the stump yesterday and plant us a new sapling, but we said no, not until the owner of the tree service and the tree guy from the utility have a chance to look at what happened.
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:24 PM
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194. in most cases the easments depend on where the tree is located
also a lot of times the easements for new construction are greater than for older structures
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:00 PM
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161. did you talk to the A**hole who did it?
I want that knucklehead to explain it to you, face to face, and know how angry you feel.
:mad:

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:03 PM
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171. He just kept saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
as if that was going to make any difference. And as it turns out, he is the owner's son who we later learned from a different supervisor had taken out someone else's ornamental earlier this week. The second supervisor who came to talk to us said he had worked on that tree many times, loved it himself and was very sorry that this had happened. The guy in charge of "danger trees" at the electric company said there are some things he wants to talk to us about that he didn't want to discuss while he was at work, which leads me to believe that they may be having many complaints about Carlos Tree Service. He and Carlos himself are coming out here tomorrow to discuss what can be done.
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:41 PM
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181. Under my utility company - that guy you talked to made the call.
They fly around in a helicopter every spring, and then he and an arborist go out on the ground and they mark all the trees.

If they are leaving the final call up to Carlos and their crew then they are idiots.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter. They had the right and there isn't much that can be done.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:06 PM
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163. don't give up on the tree,
when i was a kid, they lopped off the top (huge elm with 2 huge main branches) of the neighbors tree. well, it didn't get taller, but it branched out to a fluffy green puff tree, that while not huge, was lovely, your clump of stumps should sprout branches and hopefully blooms and screw the power company. i would never leave any govt entity to know the best.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:10 PM
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165. vandalism, this was done to distress you, they effectively killed this tree
I'm sure their having a good laugh right now, I'd sue them
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:11 PM
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174. OMG.
I'd be screaming bloody murder and screaming for someone's head!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:13 PM
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175. I've been through this too. Doesn't it feel like it was done to YOU?
I feel things like this in my body as though my heart would just break. I can't understand this kind of
callousness. On many country roads I've driven down I've seen crews take a big commercial mower turn vertically
and mounted on a big 'arm' that extends several feet and they were just going down the street sheering off
trees that reached over a person's fenceline. It looked like a war zone...horrific. Worse even than what was done
to your tree because the were just ripped to shreds.

I've been told by arborists that city crews are likely the culprits for spreading oak wilt and other diseases because
they cut down diseased trees and with the same tools cut healthy ones and are likely spreading it.

I think I'd not only sue but see if I could get public support by writing op eds, talking to arborists, etc.
That way they'd not only have to pay but would be getting public pressure to change their ways.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:16 PM
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176. This has been bugging me all day
Aside from the obvious butchering of this beautiful tree, they left it in such a manner that it resembles a closed fist with an extended middle finger! It looks like they're flipping you off!

I hope you really go after them, and as I mentioned up thread, make sure this gets a lot of publicity. They should be run out of business.

:mad:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:29 PM
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177. Grrrrrr
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 01:29 PM by graywarrior
I don't blame you for being pissed.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:09 PM
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186. BAD THEM!!!! Fight it, sweetie.
I am SO SORRY! I know it's 'just a tree'. But this makes you feel violated and helpless, so it's much more than just a big beautiful part of your property. :hug: DAMN THEM!!! Reach out here on DU. Maybe there's a lawyer here who can advise you.

So strange. IThe local utility co. sent a guy to cut back two of our trees just this morning! REALLY! Never had that happen before. He said he was taking 8 feet off of one tree, and 14 feet off another. Doesn't change much really, but if it did, I would have thrown a fit. I would probably be in your exact same shoes.

Lean on us here. We will help you.
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sibelian Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:15 PM
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188. Are you *quite sure* it'll go all suckery?

Most of the trees I've known that have sustained such damage will

a) grow back at an utterly ludicrous rate and get a substantial chunk back in place in a very short time

b) prefer to start again from as high up as possible.

not much consolation, I know...
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:18 PM
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190. contact the media.
then the mayorr and the utility .next id see about suing in court..
even if the utility has an easement they only have the right to remove the parts of the tree that could hit the wire.. not the whole damn tree..

i understand removing part of the tree,the huge wildfires near me were caused by electric wires hitting tree limbs but this is just ridiculous.. and I wouldnt bother with small claims court,the damage to the tree is way more than the small claims court limits... Id sue them for 20k since thats probably what it would cost to replace the tree with a similar sized tree
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:47 PM
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201. yes, mail the before-after photos to the newspaper and/or tv stations.
i bet more people will come out of the woodworks with similar complaints!

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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:23 PM
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193. Dear Blue_in_Ak
I don't know you, and I have never seen your tree, but this made me weep. I am so, so so, sorry. If I had come home to find that someone had murdered my tree -- the ignorance and callousness are appalling -- I would have probably fainted.

Send these two pictures to the utility company, and tell them that this is NOT a "trimming!" Also mention that you will be seeking legal counsel. Copy the letter to the company that they contracted to do the cutting.

Yes, they owe you more than a sapling.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:35 PM
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195. Your tree may grow back.
Speak to an arborist -- an expert. Get his or her opinion.

We tried to cut an unwanted tree down to a minimal stump, much further down than your tree. I mean really down to within a foot from the earth.

That tree starts sprouting new branches every year. I have to cut away the new growth. This has been going on for years and years. The tree variety is basically a weed-tree (but definitely a tree, not a shrub) in our area. It is extremely invasive so we have to keep cutting it.

Your tree may grow back into an even fuller, more beautiful tree than you previously enjoyed. It will take time, but . . . .
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 02:57 PM
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196. Are you sure that it can not be salvaged? Check with a tree surgeon before
you give up on it. Some trees can take a savage pruning like that and survive to thrive again. Sending some positive green vibes your way.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:46 PM
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200. Talk to an attorney who knows what the law is on easements and right-of-way in your state.
Personally, that picture makes me ill, just to see how they butchered such a beautiful tree! Professionally, there is a distinct possibility that they had every legal right to do what they did. Most attorneys don't charge for an initial consultation, so find a good one and ask them whether or not you have a case.

:hug:
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Dont call me Shirley Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:20 PM
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203. That's the kind of crap that happens when govt svcs get privatized.
Sorry for your loss. I lost my favorite cherry tree to clear way for the football field width easement for a highway. The tree "murderers" got a thorough chewing out from me.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:59 PM
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205. The utility companies are rough on the trees here, too
They don't trim every limb off the tree, like in your pic though. That looks like the work of someone who just wanted to be mean.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:01 PM
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206. Lawsuit time. nt
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:11 PM
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207. Blue, please let us know what transpires from here. I think the telling thing now is
the location of the power lines from the tree now. They appear to be a big distance from the stump. You are going to prevail with this, IMHO.
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rickford66 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 05:13 PM
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208. asplund tree butchers
Here in NY, Asplund (spelling?) trims along the electric right of ways. They pretty much did the same thing to our place. Even our neighbors were outraged and complained. One very tall tree was pruned to look like a lollipop. Another good tree, no where near a power line was cut down. Piles of brush and logs left all over. Luckily we have a lot of frontage, but these guys are butchers.
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