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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:52 PM
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Why would Obama Hire Philip Zelikow to be on his Intelligence Board??
Why would Obama Hire Philip Zelikow to be on his Intelligence Board??

Can any democrat answer that????
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Zelikow Appointed to Obama's

Intelligence Advisory Board


http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRel...p?id=15988

excerpt:

September 7, 2011 — President Obama appointed Philip Zelikow, associate dean for graduate academic programs in the University of Virginia's Graduate School of Arts & Sciences, to serve on the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, the White House announced Tuesday.

Zelikow, White Burkett Miller Professor of History, will remain with the University while serving on the board, which serves as an independent source of advice to the president on the intelligence community's effectiveness in meeting the nation's intelligence needs, and on the vigor and insight with which the community plans for the future.

"Philip is a valued colleague, exceptional scholar and highly skilled administrator with a distinguished record of service in government and academia," said Meredith Jung-En Woo, dean of the College and Graduate School of Arts & Sciences. "This appointment reflects his and the University's longstanding commitment to education and public service. We're pleased that he will be able to serve the president and our country in this important role while continuing to oversee the College's graduate academic programs as well as our international initiatives and partnerships. His experience on the president's advisory board will only deepen and enrich his work on behalf of the College."

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Philip Zelikow, the author of PNAC


The author of PNAC who also served as the Executive Director of the 9/11 commission.

In 1998, Philip Zelikow published an article in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on
Foreign Relations, entitled CATASTROPHIC TERRORISM: Imagining the Transformative Event.
Nearly two years later, PNAC picked up the CFR-Zelikow language, saying that the desired
transformation "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event --
like a new Pearl Harbor..."

Everyone should listen to this following tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!





http://youtu.be/JuoQZkBFj9A

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Who is Philip Zelikow?
The fix is in ...
.. at the 9-11 Commission, because the Executive
Director was a major Bush Administration figure.

From Talking Points Memo: by Joshua Micah Marshall: March 20, 2004 Archive,
athttp://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_03_...

'"It was very explicit," Mr. Clarke said of the warning given to the Bush administration officials. "Rice was briefed, and Hadley was briefed, and Zelikow sat in." Mr. Clarke served as Mr. Bush's counterterrorism chief in the early months of the administration, but after Sept. 11 was given a more limited portfolio as the president's cyberterrorism adviser. Now we know about Rice and Hadley, her deputy. But how about Zelikow? He's a former NSC official from the first Bush administration and a close associate of Rice's. The two of them even wrote a book together. He was in the key meetings where the warnings -- seemingly ignored -- about al Qaida came up. He seems like someone you'd want to talk to to find out what they were warned about and why they didn't take the warnings more seriously.

Well, you don't have to look far to find him. He runs the 9/11 Commission. Zelikow is the
Executive Director of the Commission, which means he has operational control of the
investigation under the overall management of the two co-chairs Tom Kean and Lee
Hamilton.

Now, Zelikow is no hack. He's an accomplished Republican foreign policy hand. But
Condi Rice and what happened in the hand-off between the administrations is central
to the whole 9/11 investigation enterprise.

Does it make sense to have the guy who's running the investigation be one of her close
professional colleagues? The 9/11 families didn't think so either.

-- Josh Marshall'

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http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/5/new...mmissioner

New Book Alleges 9/11 Commissioner Philip Zelikow Minimized Scrutiny of Bush Admin Failure to Prevent al-Qaeda AttackNew York Times reporter Phillip Shenon joins us to talk about his new book, The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation. Shenon says 9/11 Commission executive director Philip Zelikow had close ties to both Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Bush political adviser Karl Rove. He suggests that Zelikow sought to minimize the Bush administration’s responsibility for failing to prevent the September 11th attacks.



RELATED DEMOCRACY NOW! STORIES
EXCLUSIVE: Former 9/11 Commission Chief Philip Zelikow on Allegations He Secretly Allowed Karl Rove & White House to Influence 9/11 Probe (2/7/2008)


AMY GOODMAN: The executive director of the

federal 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, had

much closer ties to the Bush administration

than publicly disclosed. This is according to an

explosive new book by New York Times

investigative reporter Philip Shenon. It’s called The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation.


The book goes on sale today but has already created quite a stir in Washington. Philip Shenon alleges

Zelikow had close ties to both Secretary of

State Condoleezza Rice and political adviser

Karl Rove, suggesting he sought to minimize

the Bush administration’s responsibility for

failing to prevent the September 11th attacks.


New York Times investigative reporter and author, Philip Shenon, joins us here in the firehouse studio. Welcome to the Democracy Now!



snip:

AMY GOODMAN: Let’s talk about Philip Zelikow, the executive director of

the 9/11 Commission. First, tell us how it was formed and then his control of the commission.


PHILIP SHENON: The commission was formed by a law passed in Congress in 2002 after a long and very tortured debate. It was a ten-member panel: five Democrats, five Republicans. The only person for the commission chosen by the White House was the chairman, initially Henry Kissinger. Kissinger stepped down, and he was replaced by Tom Kean, the governor of New Jersey. Democratic leaders in the House and Senate chose their five representatives.


Early on, after Governor Kean came on board, there was a search for an executive director, somebody to run the investigation on a day-to-day basis. There’s a polite fiction in Washington that the reports of blue ribbon commissions are written by the blue ribbon commissioners. Well, that’s not usually the case. They’re usually written by a professional staff led by a congressional researcher or a scholar. In this case, Kean and Hamilton came across the resume quite early on of Philip Zelikow, a very well respected historian at the University of Virginia. They contact him, and Zelikow agrees to come on board.


AMY GOODMAN: And he had served on the blue ribbon commission investigating the 2000 vote that got Bush elected.


PHILIP SHENON: Exactly. And he had earned the praise of both Republicans and Democrats on that commission. It’s one of the commissioners from the Electoral Reform Commission who joins the 9/11 Commission and forwards Zelikow’s name to Kean and Hamilton. And as I say, Zelikow comes on board quite early.


AMY GOODMAN: You talk about, in your book, the commission, that’s just being released this week, just being released today, Zelikow’s secret relationship with Karl Rove. He’s this week becoming a commentator on Fox News, but much more relevant was his top status within the White House, top adviser to President Bush.


PHILIP SHENON: Well, what I can tell you is that in 2003, Karl Rove called Zelikow a number of times at the commission. We know this because there are phone logs recording Rove’s calls in. Now, Zelikow had a lot of ties to the Bush administration, and that was known to some degree when he signed onto the investigation. And he had assured the commission that he would do his best to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest and would cut off most of these ties with his friends in the White House and elsewhere.


It becomes known on the commission staff in 2003 that despite these promises, Zelikow is having conversations with, of all people, Karl Rove, and this creates, as you might imagine, a huge amount of alarm and suspicion on the commission staff. You know, what is the executive director of the 9/11 Commission doing talking to Karl Rove? Now, Rove’s people at the White House, you know, his friends and allies there, and Zelikow insist that there was — that this was completely innocent and that this involved Zelikow’s work at the University of Virginia. And indeed Zelikow’s work at the University of Virginia centered around presidential histories, so Karl Rove is somebody he would have normally at the university had some sort of contact with, I assume.


And there’s an odd development thereafter, which is Zelikow calls in his secretary, shuts the door and informs her that she is no longer to keep phone logs of his contacts with the White House. The secretary is alarmed by this, worries that she’s being asked to do something improper and then contacts the chief lawyer for the commission to alert him to what’s happened. As I say, this whole sequence creates a great alarm and a great suspicion about what Zelikow was up to.


AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Philip Shenon. His book has just come out. It’s called The Commission. His relationship, Philip Zelikow’s relationship with Condoleezza Rice, how far back does it go, and what does it mean for the ultimate report that comes out?


PHILIP SHENON: Well, they have a relationship that goes way back. They were both members of the National Security Council staff in the first Bush administration, Bush 41. They formed a close relationship at that point. After that presidency, Zelikow goes off to Harvard, and Rice returns to Stanford, yet they stay in touch, and they write a book together about German reunification. After President Bush 43 enters the White House, he sets up a transition team for the National Security Council at Rice’s recommendation, and Rice tasks Zelikow to join the transition team, specifically with the responsibility for reviewing counterterrorism operations at the White House.


Now, some of this was known at the time of Zelikow’s hiring. I think the question is, how much of that was known? And, of course, Rice was at the heart of the 9/11 Commission investigation. You know, it was her actions in the spring and summer of 2001 that were among the most important subjects for investigation by the 9/11 Commission, yet the commission was being run on a day-to-day basis by somebody who was undeniably a very close friend of hers.


AMY GOODMAN: I want to go to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice publicly testifying before the 9/11 Commission. It was April 8, 2004, an exchange between Rice and Commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste.

read the rest at the link..

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/5/new...mmissioner




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Philip D. Zelikow has come full circle.

From a Warren Commission apologist.

To running the 9/11 Commission Cover-Up.

"Fixer" of voting machine glitches.

Back to JFK, by way of "editing" these tapes.






What JFK Really Said

The author checked the Cuban-missile-crisis transcript in The Kennedy Tapes against the recorded words. He discovered "errors that undermine its reliability for historians, teachers, and general readers

by Sheldon M. Stern
The Atlantic

MY twenty-three years as the historian at the John F. Kennedy Library, in Boston, were punctuated by intensive work on sound recordings. I conducted scores of taped oral-history interviews and verified the accuracy of the transcripts, edited President John F. Kennedy's recorded telephone conversations, and, in 1981-1982, evaluated tapes made during the Cuban missile crisis, in October of 1962, as the library prepared for their declassification. The work was fascinating and exhilarating, but the poor technical quality of the tapes frequently required that I listen to the same words dozens of times, sometimes to no avail. It was, notwithstanding, a historian's ultimate fantasy -- a chance to be a fly on the wall during one of the most dangerous moments in history, and to know, within the technical limits of the recordings, exactly what happened. I spent just over a year on the tapes, and in 1983 I received an award for "careful and perceptive editing and proofreading of the JFK tapes" from the archivist of the United States. From 1983 to 1997 the library declassified twenty-two hours of tapes, and I continued to review them before each declassification.

Imagine my surprise when, in the summer of 1997, I learned that Harvard University Press was about to publish The Kennedy Tapes: Inside the White House During the Cuban Missile Crisis, edited by Ernest R. May and
Philip D. Zelikow -- complete transcripts of all twenty-two hours. Months of lead time are required to prepare a book for the printer, so I was astonished that the editors could have completed this task less than a year after the majority of the tapes were released to the public.

The editors explained that they had commissioned a team of professional court reporters to prepare a set of "draft transcripts" from the Kennedy Library tapes. Audio experts, using NONOISE, a "technically advanced noise-reduction system," had then produced an improved set of tapes, subsequently checked by the court reporters to be sure that nothing had been lost. However, May and Zelikow stressed their own responsibility for the final product.

The two of us then worked with the tapes and the court reporters' drafts to produce the transcripts printed here. The laboriousness of this process would be hard to exaggerate. Each of us listened over and over to every sentence in the recordings. Even after a dozen replays at varying speeds, significant passages remained only partly comprehensible.... Notwithstanding the high professionalism of the court reporters, we had to amend and rewrite almost all their texts. For several especially difficult sessions, we prepared transcriptions ourselves from scratch. In a final stage, we asked some veterans of the Kennedy administration to review the tapes and our transcripts in order to clear up as many as possible of the remaining puzzles. The reader has here the best text we can produce, but it is certainly not perfect. We hope that some, perhaps many, will go to the original tapes. If they find an error or make out something we could not, we will enter the corrections in subsequent editions or printings of this volume.

An unforgettable moment in these unique historical records concerns JFK's apprehension that military action in Cuba might touch off the ultimate nightmare of nuclear war, which he grimly describes at a meeting on October 18 as "the final failure." Brian McGrory, of The Boston Globe, who listened to this tape with me in 1994, after it was declassified, used those words in the lead of his article on the newly released tapes.
But when I checked the transcript recently, I was unable to find "the final failure." Certain that the editors must be right, since they had technically cleaner tapes, I listened again; there is no question that Kennedy says "the final failure." The editors, however, have transcribed it as "the prime failure."

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/iss.../05/ste...



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Zelikow is a propaganda master and

disinformation specialist who has been

groomed by the CIA and its masters

for decades.




"Zelikow." Where have I heard that name, again, my Friends?

ahhh yes.........

Zelikow Appointed to Obama's

Intelligence Advisory Board


http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRel...p?id=15988



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The 9-11 Families

called for Zelikow to resign, but too late.

Kristen Breitweiser and other family members of victims have their own website devoted to the investigation of 9-11. Near the bottom of their homepage, at http://www.911independentcommission.org / , this is what they say about Zelikow:

"Statement of the Family Steering Committee for The 9/11 Independent Commission
March 20, 2004

The Family Steering Committee is deeply disturbed to learn about Executive Staff Director Philip Zelikow's participation in urgent post election briefings, December 2000, and January 2001, with Sandy Berger and Condoleezza Rice. In this particular meeting the Senior Clinton Administration official clearly warned that Al Qaeda posed the worst Security threat facing the nation.

It is apparent that Dr. Zelikow should never have been permitted to be Executive Staff Director of the Commission. As Executive Staff Director his job has been to steer the direction of the Commission's investigation, an investigation whose mandate includes understanding why the Bush Administrations failed to prioritize the Al Qaeda threat. It is abundantly clear that Dr. Zelikow¡s conflicts go beyond just the transition period.

It is extremely distressing to learn this information at this late date. This new information clearly calls into question the integrity of this Commission ¡s investigation. The Family Steering Committee repeatedly expressed concerns over all members¡ conflicts requesting that the commission be forthcoming so as not to taint the validity of the report. The Family Steering Committee did not know about Dr. Zelikow's participation in this intelligence briefing until today.

As such, the Family Steering Committee is calling for:
1. Dr. Zelikow's immediate resignation.
2. Dr. Zelikow's testimony in public and under oath.
3. Subpoena of Dr. Zelikow's notes from the intelligence briefings he attended with Richard Clarke
4. The Commission to apologize to the 9/11 families and America for this massive appearance of impropriety."

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AH AND ADD THIS LINK AS WELL..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5RxhahHK0&feature=player_embedded


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:54 PM
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1. I don't know but it made me sick to my stomach when I found out.
I'm hoping something big is happening w OWS because it's obvious change is not coming from within the party structure.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:18 AM
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57. Obama is cultivating enthusiasm
in his base for the 2012 election. You know, just like he did in 2010.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:55 PM
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:57 PM
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3. How so?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. Too long. I read half & didn't see anything objectionable. What's the beef?
What did he do that was bad?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. He was instrumental in white washing government screws up
on the 9/11 Commission.

As dirty as they come.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Nothing from a neocon standpoint. nm
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Perhaps that's why you were such a lousy student.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:28 AM
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64. To the contrary. I was an excellent student. I specialized in grammar and writing...
which is why I offered a pointer...you lose your audience if you don't get to the point early in an article/post.

The internet seems to have hurt some people's ability to communicate clearly in writing.

Read any news article. In the first paragraph or two you will find the who, what, when, and where of any story...the point of the article. Then the rest of the article expounds on the subject. If it weren't that way, people wouldn't read it.

No need to insult a reader when the author didn't communicate clearly.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #64
74. I have to agree, its posts like that and this one that causes my eyes to glaze over and then
I tend to lose interest and fall asleep.
Of course I cant cast stones at the OP to much I am not the best at communicating clearly either, in fact I often got Ds in English though I would often still test high in reading.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
69. lolol .... nt
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
80. He is one of the primary PNAC authors....
Are you familiar with PNAC (Project for a New American Century)? The PNACers
are also referred to as neocons--they're warmongers. High-profile PNACers/neocons
include: Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Richard Armitage, Robert Zoellnick,
John Bolton, Jeb Bush and many others.

Those people aren't rumored to be neocons. They have signed PNAC letters and
documents. PNAC operated out in the open for a long time. They even had a website.

You could read their manifesto--which is explicit clear about their long-term plans
of United States domination--through military might (war) and the domination of
resources in strategic areas of the world.

They state what they want first--IRAQ. You can read all about their plans of
world domination. The docs are still up on their now-abandoned website.
www.newamericancentury.org

The neocons are the reason that we are in a perpetual state of war. They want
to dominate the middle east and gain a foothold in the region.

Another tidbit of interest. You must read the 1998 PNAC letter to then-President
Bill Clinton http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm PNAC
asked Bill Clinton for war with Iraq. Clinton rebuffed their efforts. The PNAC
letter was signed by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Bolton and Jeb Bush. These people
rose to power in the Bush Administration--after President Clinton's second
term was finished. So, these bastard reptiles wanted war with Iraq for a long time,
and tried to get it, but alas, they had to wait until a neocon-friendly guy was
in the White House.

Look at how they got their Iraq war. By lying about WMD. By trying to tie Saddam
Hussein to 9/11--which was a ridiculous, laughable lie. They wanted Iraq all alon
and everything they said and did about getting their--while Bush was in office, was
a lie.

Please also remember that Hillary Clinton stood on the floor of the Senate and waxed
fearful about Saddam having nuclear weapons and WMD. She laid it on thick. Now
you tell me the Clintons aren't neocons. She damn well knew that her husband got a
letter from this same cast of characters, because her husband told them no. So
why didn't Hillary Clinton mention that letter and explain that these are the same fools
who tried to get my husband to declare war on Iraq? One has to wonder.

Please--get to know PNAC/neocons. They are ruling your country and running it off of a
cliff. http://www.newamericancentury.org/ They have been getting their way for years--
and it's disgusting that Obama is perpetuating their warmongering plan. Libya is the
third country on their wish list (Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya).

It's revolting that this punk is even allowed near the White House. At this point--either
Obama is a happy complier or he has no power and they're instilling their guys--regardless
of what Obama wants. At this point...it doesn't matter anymore.

OWS is what matters, because it's the only thing that can stop this thuggery.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #80
94. Regarding the clinton part wasn't the reason she (and many others) cast those votes
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 04:43 PM by cstanleytech
because of the intel the bush administration provided? True the intel was later proven to be false intel but still you can hardly blame her or anyone else who voted yes if they didnt know the intel was false.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. I sure as hell...
...don't buy into the fable that Bush (and the rest of them) were victims of "bad intel".

I mean seriously. If you think about it--it's ridiculous. There are mistakes with intelligence
but how does an entire CIA community unearth "facts" that turn out to be completely false? In
fact, the opposite of every one of their assertions was true. No one could be that dumb--and
we're supposed to believe that trained, educated, seasoned CIA offial, just--oops, got it wrong?

There was absolutely NO EVIDENCE for the assertions. Think about it. Supposedly, the CIA said
that: Saddam was reconstituting his WMD program; that he was trying to obtain a nuclear weapon;
that he was part of Al Queda and supported Al Queda.

There was, and never has been, ANY evidence to suggest any of that was EVER true. It was all made
up out of whole cloth. Again, intelligence can be off, or mistaken. But these were assertions
that proved to be false--and not one iota of evidence can be pointed to--to demonstrate how the CIA
supposedly arrived at these conclusions or this "bad intel".

This bad intel just SHOWED UP! And, on my--it was used to steamroll us into war with Iraq. I think
the writing is pretty much on the wall and it's all obvious lies.

The Bush Administration made up this nonsense. Then, they covered it up by blaming George Tenent and
the CIA.

Don't for ONE SECOND believe that any of our elected officials didn't know what was going on. Even I
knew what the PNACers/neocons were doing. You sure as hell can't tell me that Hillary Clinton didn't.
They're all in on it. She also began spouting off about Iran as well. She was leading the charge
against how evil Iran was, after Iraq. Iran is second on the PNAC wish list.

I know it sucks to live in a ruthlessly evil world, led by psychopaths--but it's the reality we live in.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #96
99. Nor do I buy that Bush was a victim of bad intel however
neither your belief nor mine are proof.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #99
114. but you just finished exonerating Hillary for being taken in by bad intel.
WTF?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #114
119. I merely asked a question, if I am mistaken then please correct me....with
proof of course.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #94
113. Funny how so many Washington insiders didn't know the intel was phoney
when MILLIONS out here in the real world saw through it.

Or do you not recall the anti-war protests before we illegally attacked Iraq?
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
100. The beef is that he's a pnac'er just like bush and the rest. a continuation of everything evil
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
112. Philip Zelikow, the author of PNAC
The author of PNAC who also served as the Executive Director of the 9/11 commission.

Right there at the top of the post.

You could only have missed it if you were trying to.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:59 PM
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4. One could be forgiven for thinking that Obama might want some earth moved.


Covering for TPTB is Zelikow's speciality.


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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
77. Exactly! I'm thinking Zelikow is there to keep certain things
from surfacing. Obama knows what he's doing on this.

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red dog 1 Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #77
120. "Zelikow Caught in a Whopper"..Made false statements Re:: 911 Commission
"Zelikow Caught in a Whopper Made False Statements To Author About Criminal Referral For NORAD, FAA".

http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/zelikow-caught-in-a-whopper/
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:01 PM
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5. Because birds of a feather flock togehter?
:shrug:

PB
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
25. Because the Aspen roots (R) are all entwined
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:41 PM
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29. Excellent point.
PB
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Owlet Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:01 PM
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6. One answer is right in your post
"Zelikow is a propaganda master and

disinformation specialist who has been

groomed by the CIA and its masters

for decades."

So..the real question is, as always in these bizzaro appointments: is Obama a knave or a fool? I really wish I knew the answer.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:22 PM
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11. If he's a fool, he's a bigger one than Bush
Which I think is HIGHLY unlikely.

A trend is a trend. Neocons to start, neocons continuing...that might mean that the person in charge like neocon ideas.

But who is really in charge? If you believe the thing about Geitner, it's not the POTUS.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:59 PM
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31. Somehow I get the feeling he may not be entirely in charge either.......
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BetsysGhost Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:55 AM
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106. I say Tough Shit
That is where the Buck Stops.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:06 PM
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81. Maybe
"knave or tool" is the question. :-(
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 06:12 PM
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95. Knave on a horse of a different color.
But a knave nonetheless.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:04 PM
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7. Seriously? You haven't figured it out yet?
(Psssst - He's one of them)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:21 AM
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58. A creation of the C.I.A./PNAC?
What?
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:52 PM
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101. It was a think tank for neocons like the AEI and the Heritage Foundation, but for neocons
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:22 PM
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12. Isn't it obvious?
His resume' is impeccable.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:47 PM
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14. Because Obama is a tool of the CIA?
That answer would accout for a lot of what BO has done so far.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:17 PM
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70. I think so. Not that it matters - this country is already so screwed from capitalism
that it doesn't really matter. It's not like the owners are going to let anyone who is a true populist into a position of any power. We're damned lucky we have Bernie Sanders.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:49 PM
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15. You mean Philip Zelikow, the author of PNAC??
Good question, Obama. Why??
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:05 PM
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18. Yep, that guy, the author of PNAC. Exactly. That's who he is. nt
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:16 PM
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86. Same guy responsible for laundering the 9/11 Report
IMHO, this is MUST READ stuff!


http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108

The Kingdom and the Towers

Was there a foreign government behind the 9/11 attacks? A decade later, Americans still haven’t been given the whole story, while a key 28-page section of Congress’s Joint Inquiry report remains censored. Gathering years of leaks and leads, in an adaptation from their new book, Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan examine the connections between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers (15 of whom were Saudi), the Bush White House’s decision to ignore or bury evidence, and the frustration of lead investigators—including 9/11-commission staffers, counterterrorism officials, and senators on both sides of the aisle.

By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan

-snip-

As for Saudi Arabia, America’s purported friend, you would have thought from the reaction of the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, that the commission had found nothing dubious in his country’s role. “The clear statements by this independent, bipartisan commission,” he declared, “have debunked the myths that have cast fear and doubt over Saudi Arabia.” Yet no finding in the report categorically exonerated Saudi Arabia.

The commission’s decision as to what to say on the subject had been made amid discord and tension. Late one night in 2004, as last-minute changes to the report were being made, investigators who had worked on the Saudi angle received alarming news. Their team leader, Dietrich Snell, was at the office, closeted with executive director Philip Zelikow, making major changes to their material and removing key elements.

-snip-

more, lots more...
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:01 PM
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16. probably taking advice and pressure and no one closer to him can beat it
what would a profile of that asshole contain, how accurate would it be, and/or how much of it would obama actually read?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:05 PM
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17. Give him a democratic majority and he won't have to do this.
Until then, maybe the far left needs to get working for DEMS and Obama so that Obama can appoint some liberals.

It's "Yes WE Can"' not "Yes HE Can"
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:16 PM
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19. Again?
He had one once, and still has the Senate.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:22 PM
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20. he can't appoint any liberals or fire any bush era appointees until you give him 80 senators.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 05:22 PM by Dr Fate
80 Liberal Senators at that.

All on you. Get to work.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:26 PM
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21. And I thought I was going to take tomorrow off, thanks a lot.
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:52 PM
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26. 80 liberal senators?
You are one funny or high individual.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:23 PM
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87. lol
I get it now. My advise is to better start using the ::sarcasm:: tag or else people will think you are crazy
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:48 PM
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30. Are you sure the number isn't 100?
With a majority of liberal democrats in the House, too? :hi:
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:24 AM
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46. The minimum number is 101.
I'm sure.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:21 AM
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36. He had a democratic majority and he didn't give a shit. That's why he lost it.
Hello. History. Don't white-wash it.
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HowHeThinks Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:00 AM
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39. Those buckets of water must be getting VERY heavy!
How long can you make excuses for Obama's behavior? As President, Obama is supposed to LEAD, not follow. You don't LEAD by welcoming the enemy into your camp. Obama apologists are missing the big picture here. If he needs an overwhelming majority just to get a centrist Democratic platform in place (let alone a progressive one) then who's at fault? :shrug: Surely the office of President holds SOME basic gravitas with Capital Hill, but you wouldn't know it by looking at some of Obama's decisions. It just gets curiouser and curiouser.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:10 AM
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41. Worst spin ever. nt
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:41 AM
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47. What a load of cap. Who did he appoint when he DID have both houses?
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 04:42 AM by Edweird
The answer to that question is part of the reason why he doesn't have both houses anymore.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:09 AM
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50. Obama had an army of ("far left" - ROFL) activists at his back when elected
An army - thousands and thousands around the Country - long time local and state in the trenches for years and years on the ground activists, ready to go out at his call, ready to put all their combined organizing, mobilizing skills and connections and networks to work for him. He had Labor and environmentalists and health care and and and ready to back him up.

And what did he do? Well, for starters, he appointed Geithner and Summers and invited homophobe to his inauguration - and we said, WTF?

But still, had he called on us to back him up for what he promised - we would have been there.

He ignored us. He dismissed us. He engaged in back-room deals and broke his promise of transparency.

And to imply that anyone expected him to enact "far left" policy is hilarious - do you even know what "far left" is? Who has called him out for not nationalizing the energy industry, for example? Who has even called him out for not advocating a guaranteed national income (not even a "far left" proposal - Nixon floated the idea once)?

Whatever I might wish for as the ideal, I - along with thousands and thousands of others you hilariously characterize as "far left" - have worked for years and years and years at incremental reform, at "electing Democrats" - and look where that has got us. Epic failure.

The OWS has it right. They would not be there if "electing democrats" had garnered us anything than a wholly-owned corporate subsidiary in the halls of DC who call themselves "Representatives."



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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:12 PM
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85. +1
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:00 AM
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62. He had it and pissed it away...
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:03 PM
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68. lol
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:21 PM
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71. He had one.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:42 PM
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72. It's the fault of the voters that Obama is making the decisions he's made ... ROFL -- !!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 12:42 PM by defendandprotect
Obama had a mandate in '08 which he threw away --

while also resurrecting the defunct GOP from the ashes --

Obama needs to move on -- step down -- !!

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:44 PM
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79. "Yes we can" referred to getting him elected, not paying him more than the corporate lobbyists to
follow through on his campaign platform.
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:11 PM
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83. where the F were u during
the early portion of his presidency. He did have a majority in both house and he pissed it away. Maybe you know something we dont all know, so why not you got out and get Obama another majority in house and senate. This time make it a super majority
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:07 PM
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103. the majority he had was there before him, and there since I was a kid! all corrupt. out with them.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:57 AM
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108. WTF. n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:47 PM
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116. I agree, we need to get him at least 200 Democratic Senators, and 500 Democratic Congressmen
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 02:47 PM by Hippo_Tron
And it wouldn't hurt if we could get him 50 Democratic Supreme Court Justices, either.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:43 PM
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22. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:44 PM
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23. "Smirky, smirky, Smarmy. Sneer." - Philip Zelikow (R - Occultist)
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 05:52 PM by SpiralHawk
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:50 PM
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24. Obviously, someone directed Obama to appoint Zelikow.
Every presidential decision has been, at best, half-stepping. Most, however, have been antithetical to the American people.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 08:13 PM
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32. this is beyond explanation
seriously

why not Scooter, then? he's out of a job, too, yes?

why not him as new National Security Adviser?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:46 PM
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35. Libby is a baggage-handler
Zelikow is an architect.

At your leisure, catalog Obama's appointees and associates. "To the manor born."

Does he look like a good guy -- one to be trusted?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Philip_D._Zelikow

I thought Obama was here to repudiate the GWB administration and policies--not reinforce them.

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BetsysGhost Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:12 AM
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107. Gabi there is still time maybe
as Secretary of State if he pulls off the election.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:44 PM
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73. Agree -- and imagine that Zelikow has been called in to protect cover ups .. or create them..
as usual!

CIA/PNAC -- eventually the CIA will control everything on the globe!

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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:04 PM
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27. Since you refused his call he had to find someone your equal...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:47 PM
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28. I never refused his call, he never answered mine.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 08:41 PM
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33. We need some cute puppy pix. Or garden pix. Or some other distraction.
Maybe a picture of some body surfing. Or maybe an ice cream cone break.

Stop bashing the president.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:50 PM
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34. Isn't there some list ? Someone must have one.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:13 AM
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42. Ooohhh! Let's see the first lady in a new designer gown!
Eating at a luxurious State dinner...even better! That will make us feel 100% better about PNAC's mass murder being committed in our name overseas!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:22 AM
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37. Only one answer really.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:15 PM
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91. Yep, this is one of the people he works for.
Like Geithner, like Mike Taylor, our Corporate Friendly Spokesperson for all things corrupt, he can't work for the people of the Middle Class when he continually works for the "Master Race!" (Renamed, the Political - Military Elite)

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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:28 AM
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38. Is anybody still surprised when Obama does this shit?
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 01:38 AM by Bluesbreaker
I heard on NPR (!) a report on how reporters were exposing doctors who were guilty of repeated malpractice and one of the tools they were using was an online database at the DOH. The database didn't contain the names of the doctors but if you knew from other sources that a doctor had been accused of malpractice, you could verify it on the database. A doctor who had been repeatedly accused of malpractice and censured continued to practice. When this was brought to light in a story that cited the DOH database as one of several corroborating sources. The doctor's lawyer called the Obama administration and asked that the database be taken offline. After this single request, the administration did just that. It's so good to know the president cares deeply about the health and safety of those who consume health care services in this country. He just cares about the AMA's approval more.

Check it out: http://www.onthemedia.org/2011/oct/07/valuable-health/
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SomethingFishy Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:03 AM
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40. He didn't. It's all a huge conspiracy by
disgruntled progressives to make the President look bad.

At least.. that's what I hear :evilgrin:
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:44 AM
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48. LOL. "The president isn't doing what he's doing" "ratfucking!!!!"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:46 PM
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75. +1000% --- Very funny -- !!
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:23 AM
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43. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?"
That's the ONLY justification that I can think of. Maybe Obama just wants to have this POS (which is exactly what he is) where he can see him.

But the best place for Z, IMO, would be somewhere like Guantanamo.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:12 AM
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44. Eventually, a majority will come to realize that 911 was an inside job...
.. and that the War on Terror is "For Profit" , well engineered plan, put in gear by the NeoCons and the MIC.

From day one.. Mr. Obama has played rope-a-dope and made appointments to further this agenda.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 12:47 PM
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76. +1000% ---
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:06 PM
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111. Ditto. One thing I want to know about anyone running for the highest offices is
How much do they believe in the "official" story.

Many politicians did not. Bill Bradley, for instance, did not.

Willie Brown,perhaps the most influential politican inside California, (with the exception of Feinstein), was talking to Condi Rice. She informed him that he should not fly into NYC on September 11th. he didn't. And she explained all of this on CNN which aired her comments. (Forget if this was in May of '02 or '03.)
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:19 AM
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45. K&R. Thanks. The last link is the one I reviewed first... Outstanding....
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 04:24 AM by midnight
I'll be working my way backwards... I'm just at a point where I keep shaking my head.... Boy o Boy...




This link says it's not available:http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRel...p?id=15988
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 05:31 AM
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49. Why? Because President Obama would like to see
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 05:39 AM by Ichingcarpenter
his kids again after visiting Dallas.


This was disturbing news and appointment.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:14 AM
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51. Because he doesn't have enough RWers in his admin?
This Team of Rivals bullshit isn't working very well. :(
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:42 AM
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53. ...
:thumbsup:
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:46 PM
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90. That presupposes they're at odds with one another.
Are you sure? :shrug:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:41 AM
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52. kick for later n/t
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:43 AM
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54. because he's secretly planning to run as a Republican for POTUS?truth in advertising laws & all that
Plus the GOP field is REALY shitty, lolololol
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:34 AM
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59. Wish to hell he would! n/t
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:48 AM
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55. Ummm...perhaps he's most happy when working with like minded individuals?
Just a guess, but not much of a stretch.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:54 AM
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56. why? Because the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party has a number of neoconservatives in
positions of influence. They are not the majority like they were in the first term of the Bush Administrations and the likely first term of any Republican Administration - but they do most certainly have seats at the tables of power
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:35 AM
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60. It's becoming obvious that no leftist views ever get to Obama.
I don't even think he knows there are people against the PNAC. I think his keepers utterly and completely filter it from him, and it's only in the rare cases where information leaks past his keepers that we get those glimpses of someone with values.

For example, I have no reason to think Obama knows that the Family Steering Committe exists. And most certainly he has no idea what it says - if he knows anything, he has a sneering dismissal in corporate double-speak as an 'official summary'.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:53 AM
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61. For the same reason he has Summers and Geitner, he is owned by the PTB.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:24 AM
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63. It ALL fits together.
Doesn't it?


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity99!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:29 AM
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65. for the same reason he hired Geithner and Summers
It's a closed club and onlly certain people are allowed.
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:32 AM
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66. It's time to stop hiding behind that question - it's very clear by now why he would.
Why would he? Because it's in his interest to, because he ain't part of the 99%, because he's part of the rich aristocrat club of revolving corporation-education-lobbying-government crap. We will never, ever, ever dig our way out of this hole unless we can stop acting like we're **surprised** when this happens.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:15 PM
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92. + My household. n/t
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:49 PM
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117. nothing surprises from this administration..nothing..not any longer..nt
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:56 AM
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67. Morphing or Revealing?
The head of our party is behaving in strange ways. Hard not to just conjure up the phrase "new boas same as ....."

But is he becoming something or just revealing an innate state? Neither one bodes well.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:11 PM
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78. Obama needs to step down -- We need a liberal in White House to end pro-corporate agenda ... !!
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 01:13 PM by defendandprotect
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:10 PM
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82. From his very first appointments, before his inauguration, it was clear
that Obama was not on the side of the average working citizen. This appointment is no surprise.

To answer your question:

Obama is a 3rd way, "new" dem neo-liberal.

The sooner people throw away the blinders and acknowledge that, the sooner we can get about the business of cleaning up the Democratic Party and making it the party of the people, or abandoning the party and setting up a people's party.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:46 PM
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walerosco Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:12 PM
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84. Oh yea
Big K & R. This needs an explanation from the white house.
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MelungeonWoman Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:29 PM
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88. K&R
Thanks for taking the time to put all this together. It just makes me sick.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 02:31 PM
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89. Thanks for refreshing our memoreis on Zelikow. Hedges Interview is Fantastic and New!
It's good to see all this in one place and the newest interview with Hedges.

Our memories can fade about the "cast of actors" that run through Bush into Obama Administrations. Also, that article about the Kennedy Tapes is one I didn't know.

So much is going on that it's good to remind ourselves of where the pieces fit.

K&R!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 04:30 PM
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93. He might as well put Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz back to work as well
Fuck it. Why doesn't he just go whole hog and bring Cheney on as his new VP?

I'm sure that someone will "clue me in" to the "fact" that he's playing "blindfold chess in 11 dimensions" and I just don't understand "politics."

Fuck politics.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:58 AM
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109. +1 ...maybe even Cheney.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:11 PM
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97. Kick...
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 08:12 PM
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98. Why?
Because Zelikow is as corrupt as the Obama administration.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:55 PM
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102. completely consistent with this admin's whole MO
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 03:56 AM
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105. "Change" you CAN'T believe in:
:thumbsdown:
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:17 PM
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110. so, are the PNACers running the show
because if Mitt gets in, apparently he's got some of the PNACers on his payroll also.

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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 02:44 PM
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115. For perception management of the ongoing fraud of course
The war on terror is a lie.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:06 PM
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118. Why would Obama hire Jeffery Immelt as his Jobs Czar?
Immelt.. one of the men MOST responsible for sending millions of American Jobs to China.

I'm connecting the dots and it ain't pretty....
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:44 PM
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121. Obama, the Great Collaborator!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:05 PM
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122. Dawned on me, thanks to your post. Zelikow is there to cover up Alwaki and Kahn Murders.
It all makes sense now after I read the NYTims Story about the Secret Memo about the order to kill and Glenn Greenwald's excellent comments over at Salon.

Zelikow is there to do the COVER UP...
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:16 PM
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123. Answer: because he was told to do it. Obama does what he's told to do. nt
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