Feds to eradicate Cannabis in California all together

[DreamSmoker]

The Feds have lied again to the Media and the People...
Yesterday the press was told that the Feds would be shutting down specific Medical Cannabis Dispensaries because they are in Violation of some local and state laws...
Today in my local Paper it reads totally different...
Its the Feds are targeting all and I mean all the Dispensaries, their suppliers, and anyone else they can nab in this invasion of California..
All the Anti Drug Groups are applauding and assisting the Feds to locate and shut down the entire thing...
It has been said the Feds are muscling in to make sure Cannabis does not get a foot hold and get legalized...

Bottom line is the American People have been lied to again and now the Feds are coming to arrest, confiscate, and Persecute more Americans based on Politics and not the truth and the needs of those Medical Patients...

We did not learn anything from Prohibition....
Next it will be neighbor against neighbor... Years in jail because you did not turn in your neighbor...
Soon half of Americans will be in Federal Prisons..

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_19067108

[DefenseLawyer]

1. Just look at how many Bush era people were replaced at Justice

and at the DEA. Among the "career" people? None. It's the same people I've been dealing with for 20 years. Same right wing nuts from top to bottom.

[former9thward]

31. I deal with them also and they don't set policy and you know that.

When W took over there were Clinton, Bush I and Reagan era career people at DOJ. When Obama took over there were Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II people there. So what. They don't make policy decisions. They just carry out the orders. The people making policy are all Obama appointees.

[villager]

2. What? Lied to? By *this* administration!? Say it ain't so!

For whatever nth time this would be...!

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[DefenseLawyer]

9. Huh?

I hate to break it to you, but the United States Attorney in Los Angeles IS this administration.

[tridim]

13. The administration's position is the same as has been since it was stated over two years ago.

Show me the redaction.

THIS IS RATFUCKING for political purposes, not the Obama administration shutting down MMJ dispensaries.

[DefenseLawyer]

15. I'm just a caveman

You're going to have to type slower for me to understand how the actions of the Justice Department are not the actions of the Obama Administration.

[tridim]

20. I don't see a link to the admin's redaction in your response.

[DefenseLawyer]

27. I think you need a civics lesson

FEDERAL AGENCIES are part of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH. They all work for the President. The Administration sets policy at Justice (see for example the "Ogden memo"). Your assertion that the President is helpless to stop some "rogue" USA is just plain silly.

[tridim]

49. More words, still no link to the redaction.

[sabrina 1]

57. Actions speak louder than words.

Has the President, who can order the execution of a US citizen without due process, ordered the DOJ to stop these actions? He clearly has powers above and beyond the other branches of government now and does not even have to consult with Congress anymore. So where is his order to stop this from happening?

[Mr Deltoid]

73. *Crickets*

[Bluenorthwest]

14. You are calling someone a liar without offering any support for

your claim? Wow. You can not support your claim because it is false. The 'ratfuckers' are the administration, all Obama appointees, and the administration has not said or done anything to indicate this is a rouge action.

[tridim]

17. The ratfuckers are quoted and described in the article.

Did you read it?

[Bluenorthwest]

30. They work for the DOJ and by law, can be removed by the

President. Interim attorney named by the AG, until a confirmation of a permanent one. Also, the term is 4 years, to extend takes Presidential approval, and some if not all of these 4 were Obama appointees.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/25/local/la-me-us-attorney25-2009dec25

So, what do you say to that?

[tridim]

34. I say what I've been saying. It's political ratfucking.

Obama is not ordering these raids.

If he were, you and all the other "progressives" on DU would have a link to that fact and it would be posted hundreds of times a day.

[YellowCosmicSun]

16. Noone is paying attention to who appointed the US Attorneys doing this.

They fuck Obama by getting the potheads mad at him.

They fuck him amongst moderates if he comes out and denounces their actions, because it looks like he's pro-pot.

Obvious Repuke ratfucking eaten up with gusto by Obama's "progressive" critics.

[tridim]

18. You get it, I'm stunned that nobody else seems to.

It so fucking obvious.

[mopinko]

22. +1

[Bluenorthwest]

40. Well...

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/25/local/la-me-us-attorney25-2009dec25

http://www.justice.gov/usao/cae/us_attorney/index.html

Here's one of them getting a special gig from Eric Holder-
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/May/10-ag-535.html

Facts are funny things, are they not?

[Bluenorthwest]

48. I'd like a response from you.

You are a mod. You celebrate incorrect information, you should read the facts and then act like a person worthy of moderating others.

[mopinko]

61. moderators are allowed to have opinions.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. So your opinion is that people should notice that Obama

appointed all of the US Attorneys in CA? I don't take issue with mods having opinions, of course, but I do take issue with mods cheering false information and bad characterizations of DUers.
All the appointments were Obama's. You could address that fact. You can have an opinion, but not your own facts.
Who is it that was not paying attention to who made the appointments, mopinko? I'd say that would be you.

[mopinko]

65. i can even be wrong.

allowed to be human in every way.

please lets drop this.

[DefenseLawyer]

23. You do realize that United States Attorneys work at the pleasure of the President, right?

Ask Karl Rove, if a USA is not doing what the President wants he can be fired yesterday.

[YellowCosmicSun]

26. But they don't take all their orders from Obama. They have independence.

He can reverse their actions, but he can't stop them from doing something stupid up front.
Especially the scumbags appointed by Bush.
In fact, this is their goal. They want him to have to publicly defend pot.

They are doing this to cause political damage in an election year.
It has nothing to do with actually stopping MMJ.

[DefenseLawyer]

29. That's some mighty good spin

You should bottle that.

[tridim]

33. You are talking about spin?

:rofl:

You imply that Obama is ordering these raids when you know full well he is not. None of these ratfucking articles have even claimed that.

I sincerely hope you aren't a real lawyer.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Obama appointees

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/25/local/la-me-us-attorney25-2009dec25
This is the guy whose letter is quoted in the article the OP cites. He was appointed by Obama, in 09. Is there an emoticon for that?

[DefenseLawyer]

37. I really don't know where you get your understanding of how the Justice Department is structured

but it's flawed. I'll leave it at that.

[YellowCosmicSun]

39. Maybe you just haven't looked into the situation as deeply as you should.

You just ate what the Pukes shoveled in your direction.

[DefenseLawyer]

45. I understand your take

and that may in fact be the trickbag the President put himself in. What I don't get is your assumption that the President and the Attorney General are powerless to control actions of a United States Attorney.

[YellowCosmicSun]

53. They aren't. And they will likely have to quash these actions.

Then they will catch hell for being potheads.

That is the goal of this particular ratfuck. ---> "Don't vote for Reeferhead Obama!"

[RainDog]

71. LOL! Do you really think such a characterization would have any currency?!?!

In a nation in which 81% support LEGALIZATION of medical cannabis - it's not really a bad political position for Obama to speak out in favor or something an OVERWHELMING majority support.

The overwhelming majority is comprised of Democrats, Republicans, Independents, is in the majority among all but the elderly and the nutcases who think Obama is the antichrist anyway.

It's not really that politically dangerous to come out in support of something that 81% of the population supports. What's hard is to continue to attack those states that have mmj laws when you know the majority does not support this - and, since the majority doesn't control this, what would be the reason for doing this unless it is to do a favor for one monied lobbying group or another?

Not speaking out, if this is against his wishes, would be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. There is NO other issue with as much support across a spectrum of the population as this one. Fire the guy who did this if this goes against his wishes. simple.

don't bullshit that he's getting ratfucked or forced to do something - if the ATTN Gen in CA is playing politics, then fire his ass. simple.

[YellowCosmicSun]

77. Yes. Potheads don't vote like old anti-druggers.

[RainDog]

80. so, 81% of the population are potheads?

your reply is lacking in... reality.

[villager]

76. apparently, the better a President is, the more helpless he is to affect Federal policy

...according to some folks here...

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Do you know who appointed them?

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/25/local/la-me-us-attorney25-2009dec25

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[RainDog]

69. If that's the case, then Obama should speak out in favor of medical cannabis

if he remains silent - silence = consent

it's as simple as that.

this could all end tomorrow. Holder could reschedule cannabis or force the DEA to hold hearings as requested by the AMA to reschedule cannabis, even. But that doesn't happen.

So, is the recent statement that marijuana has no medical value - in spite of reality that is a lie - mean that the administration is also being bullied there, too? This reiteration of this statement came just before these raids. Sounds like coordinated policy to me.

[SomethingFishy]

70. Poor Obama... it seems like there are hundreds of conspiracies

out there doing nothing but trying to make him look bad. The man hasn't done one thing wrong but every group from gun owners, to the poor, to dope smokers, to progressives, to OWS, they all have hundreds of people working together to conspire against Obama. Every time I see some report in the media about bad policy I just know there is a huge conspiracy behind it.

[Odin2005]

21. BULLSHIT. Obama can tell the DEA to go to hell, instead he is encouraging them.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. This is just plain wrong.

How dare they?

I am outraged.

Do we have no voice at all?

It seems we don't.

Goddamn it.

[Odin2005]

24. The bribes from the private prison industry are more important to them, apparently.

[DreamSmoker]

28. No kidding n/t

[tridim]

4. The ratfucking continues.

Don't give in, FIGHT IT.

[YellowCosmicSun]

12. Some folks like to be fucked by rats. It gives them excuses to fuck Obama.

[90-percent]

5. OWS

With the awareness level enhancement of OWS, most Americans are asking themselves: I always thought this war on drugs was bullshit. I was lead to believe legalization is a fringe extremist point of view, when, indeed, it is the majority opinion of all Americans!

We are starting to collectively realize that our elected representatives work against our well being at every turn - drugs, education, pure food, jobs, economy, propaganda, health care, immigration, religion, natural disasters, anti union, and on and on and on to name but a few.

Americans are reeducating themselves on the fallacies and mistakes of prohibition yet again. It does feel like America has been taken over by a MAFIA RUN organized crime cartel.

-90% Jimmy

[Capitalocracy]

7. Just in reference to that headline...

"Feds to eradicate Cannabis in California altogether" = "Feds to light another one, fly to Mars in a hot air balloon". But no, what they're doing is a war on legal cannabis as a medical treatment, which is even more disgusting than the already horrifying war on recreational cannabis.

[YellowCosmicSun]

10. your local rag isn't the best source for news.

[Faux pas]

68. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

so much for your 'local rag' theory.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. this is a travesty.

this fucked up beyond belief.

[Odin2005]

19. This administration has dome nothing but backstab us!

:grr:

[Robb]

25. They'll round up all the grandmas on MMJ and put them on Kenyan death panels.

I read it somewhere.

[treestar]

36. How about facts:

Feds Clarify That They're Not Targeting All Medical Marijuana Dispensaries, Just the Illegal For-Profit Kind
By Emma G. Gallegos
October 7, 2011

http://laist.com/2011/10/07/feds_clarify_that_theyre_not_target.php


-snip-

Today California's four U.S. attorneys in Sacramento said they were aiming to take down large-scale growers — the Wal-Marts and Costco's of the pot world — that rake in millions of dollars. They said they were not trying to prosecute dispensaries that were operating legally under state law.

"It is important to note that for-profit, commercial marijuana operations are illegal not only under federal law, but also under California law," said U.S. Attorney André Birotte Jr., in a statement. "While California law permits collective cultivation of marijuana in limited circumstances, it does not allow commercial distribution through the store-front model we see across California."

-snip-

Some of the locations that are being targeted include a building in South Orange County that houses eight marijuana clinics and a trafficking ring that sold pot out of a San Fernando Valley dispensary, sending the drug to customers across the country, according to the Associated Press.

[Robb]

41. First they came for the traffickers, and I did not speak up because I was not a trafficker.

Then they came for the tax evaders, or something.

[tridim]

46. It's amazing that this article is never posted on DU..

While the same FUD articles are posted dozens of times every day, by the same people, usually with a modified headline that includes the words "Obama Administration".

The whole thing stinks on multiple levels.

[RegieRocker]

64. 99% what are they pissed about?

The f'n list is soooo long!

[EFerrari]

47. Right, they're only targeting the for profit operations

just like they only targeted criminal aliens. Except they didn't, that was bullshit. This is likely bullshit, too.

[treestar]

50. Now that post shows an "I'll believe what I want to believe" attitude

They are not going after the legal establishments.

[EFerrari]

52. No, it shows that I learn from experience with this administration.

[Bluenorthwest]

54. This issue will not spin, people who care about it are organized

far better than most voter blocks, and the communications are fast, and exacting. Read the OP article in full. The spokesman for an Obama appointed US Attorney said- "Just because you didn't get a letter doesn't mean you should feel confident you will not be targeted by the federal authorities."
There are also IRS sourced attacks against some of the very best, community based dispensaries. People know what is and what is not.
Look at this thread. People claiming Obama's own appointees are acting against his will, claiming they are NOT his appointees. The spin will not work.

[The Straight Story]

55. So if they are breaking CA law, let CA handled it (nt)

[lunatica]

38. I don't understand the Justice Department's obsession with this

Why are they acting in direct violation of medical evidence and the voters' wishes?

There are some real crimes happening in this country. They should be hiring more people to go after real criminals because there are so many of them.

Usually I can figure it out by 'reading' between the lines, but on this issue I just don't get it. Why are they doing this?

[Loge23]

42. Insane. Our marijuana paranoia.

The worst effects of the fictional smoke-crazed victims of "Reefer Madness" have apparently infected our official "policy" towards marijuana in the U.S.A.
What is it that they are fighting? Better yet, why??
Who - or what entity - is behind this?

There is absolutely no scientific basis for this insane reaction by our government towards the criminalization of marijuana. We will now be subject to black tee-shirted booted thugs with automatic weapons descending on peaceful places and peaceful people. Oh sure, we will be told about the horrible ways that these people attempt to defend themselves as if this alone justifies the absurd over-reaction by the Feds.

This too is a part of OWS. There is very little hope for the sustenance of this country as a single government entity - just too many assholes out there.

[G_j]

44. DOJ Takes Steps to Subsidize California Gangs; Threatens to Shut Down Medical Marijuana Dispensaries

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/10/07-2


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 7, 2011
3:53 PM
CONTACT: Marijuana Policy Project

Bruce Mirken, Director of Communications
[email protected],
415-585-6404

Department of Justice Takes Steps to Subsidize California Gangs; Threatens to Shut Down Medical Marijuana Dispensaries

U.S. Attorneys Announce that Dispensaries in California Must Close

WASHINGTON - October 7 - In a press conference today, all four U.S. Attorneys in California announced that the administration will no longer ignore dispensaries and will actively prosecute many commercial operations. The attorneys said they will concentrate on criminal prosecution and asset forfeiture against the landlords of medical marijuana dispensaries or cultivation centers, and threaten action against certain commercial organizations. Multiple businesses throughout the state have been given 45 days to close down. To support the increased efforts to eliminate the medical marijuana industry, they claim that it has been overtaken by criminal organizations and harms communities, yet do not offer justification of these claims at the present time. In the absence of regulated and licensed dispensaries, however, many patients will likely be forced to obtain medical marijuana from street dealers and gangs, which will doubtless create additional law enforcement and public safety problems for California.

Despite campaign promises not to spend limited law enforcement resources interfering with state medical marijuana laws and a 2009 Department of Justice policy directive against targeting individuals acting in compliance with state medical marijuana laws, the U.S. Attorneys signaled that they now intend to prosecute individuals who provide that medicine to patients under safe, regulated conditions.

"How can the Obama administration say that it's fine for sick people to use this proven medicine, and yet tell them they can’t have any legal place to get it?” asked Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. “Medical marijuana isn't going away. Over 70 percent of Americans support making medical marijuana legal, and 16 states allow it.”

“The end result of the federal government's policy is to ensure that medical marijuana is sold illegally in most parts of the country, as well as to create needless suffering for patients who can't find a place to buy medical marijuana."

Since 2009, eight states have enacted or implemented laws that set high standards and strict regulations on medical marijuana dispensing, moving away from previous “gray market” models that lacked licensing or regulations. During the previous administration, targeting providers in California did not prevent marijuana profiteers from operating. Instead, a federal policy of interference with state medical marijuana laws pushes states towards programs with confusing legal gray areas and little to no control over the operation of providers.

See http://www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/library/HolderObamaStatements.pdf for a list of quotes from the Obama administration articulating the previous, sensible policy.


With more than 124,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Marijuana Policy Project is the largest marijuana policy reform organization in the United States. For more information, please visit www.mpp.org.

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With more than 26,000 members and 100,000 e-mail subscribers nationwide, the Marijuana Policy Project is the largest marijuana policy reform organization in the United States. MPP believes that the best way to minimize the harm associated with marijuana is to regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol. For more information, please visit http://MarijuanaPolicy.org.

[court jester]

51. If the Feds keep this up the proles might one day wake up & wonder where they get the authority

to decide what the citizens can consume and what they cannot consume.

Hey they picked a good week to do this, what with Ken Burns Prohibition playing in the background.

But even during Prohibition, the Feds never claimed authority to decide what could be consumed by Americans. Prohibition was:

"Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

**note that consumption is not included in the law*** and no Real American at that time would have allowed such an encroachment.

And at least the Feds at that time recognized the necessity to amend the Constitution.

If the Commerce Clause was so empowering, why didn't the Feds use it to authorize Prohibition? (see the Health Insurance Enslavement Act)

[xiamiam]

56. Eradicating canabis in Ca? Oh, a superb use of energy and resources

Beyond comprehension and my guess is an impossible task

[bvar22]

58. "Soon half of Americans will be in Federal Prisons..."

No they won't.

They will be in "Private" For Profit Prisons
whose CEOs have "connections" in DC.

Its another "Uniquely American Solution!"


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity99!
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[xiamiam]

60. that is exactly how the dots connected for me..nt

[lonestarnot]

78. Zactly!

[Upton]

59. K&R

[Blue_In_AK]

63. Way to give power to the Cartels.

Woo-hoo!!! Whose side are they on, anyway?

[roody]

66. The growers might be glad to hear that. It may drive

the price back up. The price took a big hit a year ago.

[Incitatus]

79. Maybe the cartels will send Obama a nice fruit basket. nt

[w4rma]

67. Obama's administraton can go to hell. (nt)

[Mr Deltoid]

72. WTF is wrong with this administration?

Can they not piss off enough people before the election? Is there a nickles worth of political savvy in this administration? Jaysus freaking Christ.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. LEGALIZE IT. REGULATE IT. TAX IT. FUCKING ENOUGH ALREADY.

NOW.

[randr]

75. How in the hell does Obama stand a chance without California?