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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:41 PM
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Ben & Jerry's Board of Directors send this to OWS: To those who Occupy: We stand with you.
We, the Ben & Jerrys Board of Directors, compelled by our personal convictions and our Companys mission and values, wish to express our deepest admiration to all of you who have initiated the non-violent Occupy Wall Street Movement and to those around the country who have joined in solidarity. The issues raised are of fundamental importance to all of us.

These include:

The inequity that exists between classes in our country is simply immoral.
We are in an unemployment crisis. Almost 14 million people are unemployed. Nearly 20% of African American men are unemployed. Over 25% of our nations youth are unemployed.
Many workers who have jobs have to work 2 or 3 of them just to scrape by.
Higher education is almost impossible to obtain without going deeply in debt.
Corporations are permitted to spend unlimited resources to influence elections while stockpiling a trillion dollars rather than hiring people.

.....We support this call to action and are honored to join you in this call to take back our nation and democracy.

Ben & Jerrys Board of Directors (Meet the Board: http://www.benjerry.com/company/bod / )

More at this link:

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/occupy-movement/?utm_s...

............

Mission statement of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream:

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/mission-statement/?ref...

Ben & Jerrys is founded on and dedicated to a sustainable corporate concept of linked prosperity. Our mission consists of 3 interrelated parts shown above.

Underlying the mission of Ben & Jerrys is the determination to seek new and creative ways of addressing all three parts, while holding a deep respect for individuals inside and outside the company and for the communities of which they are a part.

...........

Now that my friend is the kind of company we need many more of in the United States!

Bravo!!!

:yourock:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:45 PM
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1. Ben & Jerry's is a wholly sold out corporate subsidiary these days. nt
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:48 PM
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3. Why don't you ask the Board of Directors that. It seems they are pretty happy! I have no way of
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 04:51 PM by 1776Forever
knowing if that is true or not - I hope someone who works there will chime in.

Here are the "Board of Directors" they sure don't look very "corporate" to me: http://www.benjerry.com/company/bod /

Here's one of their "stories":

THE BASICS

Name: Pierre Ferrari
Current Residence: Atlanta, GA
Birth Place: Lubumbashi, Congo
Twitter: @progbiz

FAVORITES

Ben & Jerry's Flavor: Cherry Garcia

Music: The Beatles

Book/Movie: Blessed Unrest/Apocalypse Now

Places/Country to Visit: Tibet, Senegal & Paris

Quote:
Wars (poverty/injustice/ecological?) are won by people who actually go out and do things
- George Patton

NPO or Social/Environmental Cause:
Eradication of extreme poverty and hunger

BEN & JERRY'S BIO

A little background...
I left Coca Cola after 18 years in 95 and went to CARE. Ben and Jerry were intrigued by this act and contacted me. We got to know each other and they invited me to join the board.

How long have I been on the BOD: Since 1998

Why am I passionate about Ben & Jerry's?:
The company is a substantial business that can lead the global business world with actions (we can do things!) that alleviate injustice and be ecologically reparative. For example, we can lead U.S. industry into an understanding and adoption of Fair Trade, we can spread the word about Living Wage policies, we can encourage the inclusion of disadvantaged communities and support their economic development. And we can do all this at a scale that is relevant to other companies globally. We are working on designing a business system that regenerates, enriches and elevates life, not just does less harm!
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:04 PM
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13. Please read the following..........
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc., manufacturer of ice cream, frozen yogurt, and sorbet, was founded in Vermont in 1978 by Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, childhood friends from Long Island, New York. The company became known for its known for its innovative flavor combinations and names (such as "Cherry Garcia," the first ice cream named for a rock legend), its environmentally friendly production policies, and its local, national and international social involvement. Originally founded in a converted garage with an investment of $12,000, Ben & Jerry's was acquired by Unilever, an Anglo-Dutch corporation, for $326 million in 2000.

Under the terms of the agreement, the company continued to operate separately from Unilever's existing U.S. ice cream business, with an independent Board of Directors to provide leadership for its social mission and brand integrity.Text



Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-jerry-s#ixzz1a8UXULzd
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 08:17 AM
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46. I thank Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield for their sale terms
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:04 PM
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14. Odd they'd be supporting OWS...
Sell outs tend to be in with the W in that equation.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:06 PM
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18. I hope you read the following:
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc., manufacturer of ice cream, frozen yogurt, and sorbet, was founded in Vermont in 1978 by Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, childhood friends from Long Island, New York. The company became known for its known for its innovative flavor combinations and names (such as "Cherry Garcia," the first ice cream named for a rock legend), its environmentally friendly production policies, and its local, national and international social involvement. Originally founded in a converted garage with an investment of $12,000, Ben & Jerry's was acquired by Unilever, an Anglo-Dutch corporation, for $326 million in 2000.

Under the terms of the agreement, the company continued to operate separately from Unilever's existing U.S. ice cream business, with an independent Board of Directors to provide leadership for its social mission and brand integrity.Text



Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-jerry-s#ixzz1a8UXULzd
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:04 PM
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26. I guess I forgot the sarcasm thingie...
I'm right there with ya!

:hi:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:38 PM
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30. Oh thanks - I was just inundated with people who are choosing not to believe they are doing good:)
:hi:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:46 PM
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32. I hear ya!
Echo chamber with reverb on auto repeat around here!

:hi:
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:05 AM
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58. Inundation is what we do best here on DU
Keep the faith, 1776! :fistbump:

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:30 PM
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75. That may be so but
until I see a similar statement of support from GE or Mobil-Exxon I have absolutely no problem w/ this.

It continually amazes me that there is always seemsto be a DUer more than eager to turn anything positive into a turd.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:18 PM
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81. Yes, but part of their buyout agreement protected workers, ensured product quality, etc...
Textbook example of how to sell out ethically
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:47 PM
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2. I LOVE Ben and Jerry's politcal participation.
It has never hurt their business! Imagine that. They have ALWAYS stood up for Progressive principles and their business has flourished through the years. :loveya: Great people!
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:49 PM
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4. Ben & Jerry's is run pretty much like before.
The ruckus when the BoD sold out was too great to allow anything else.



I (heart) that cow !
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ChandlerJr Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:50 PM
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5. Ben & Jerry's is a division of the British-Dutch Unilever conglomerate
They sold out years ago. Unilever keeps them around for marketing and window dressing.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:50 PM
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6. They've always been cool.
Model corporate citizens they are. I hope they pass out some ice cream to the protesters.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:50 PM
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7. Ben & Jerry's has been a division of Unilever for over a decade
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 04:52 PM by DonP
The founders are very politically active, but they sold out to Unilever quite a while ago.

The principals have personal service contracts with Unilever as front men.

As a division of a major Multinational corporation I'm not even sure they still have a Board of Directors. But if it makes you feel good to still think of them as a nice little progressive Vermont based company, run by two guys, be my guest.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:58 PM
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10. If they still go by what they say they do then I feel very comfortable congratulating them!
http://www.benandjerrysfoundation.org/what-we-do.html

The Foundation awards about $1.8 million annually to eligible organizations across the country and in Vermont. Our philanthropy is employee-led by non-management, employee advisory groups who consider proposals and recommend grants. The Foundation administers five grant programs, listed (on website).

All of our grant programs utilize an on-line application process.

And this:

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/mission-statement /

We have a progressive, nonpartisan social mission that seeks to meet human needs and eliminate injustices in our local, national and international communities by integrating these concerns into our day-to-day business activities. Our focus is on children and families, the environment and sustainable agriculture on family farms.

Capitalism and the wealth it produces do not create opportunity for everyone equally. We recognize that the gap between the rich and the poor is wider than at any time since the 1920s. We strive to create economic opportunities for those who have been denied them and to advance new models of economic justice that are sustainable and replicable.

By definition, the manufacturing of products creates waste. We strive to minimize our negative impact on the environment.

The growing of food is overly reliant on the use of toxic chemicals and other methods that are unsustainable. We support sustainable and safe methods of food production that reduce environmental degradation, maintain the productivity of the land over time, and support the economic viability of family farms and rural communities.

We seek and support nonviolent ways to achieve peace and justice. We believe government resources are more productively used in meeting human needs than in building and maintaining weapons systems.

We strive to show a deep respect for human beings inside and outside our company and for the communities in which they live.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:57 PM
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8. It is currently on the website and it is disingenuous at best. B&J was bought in 2000
by Unilever (British/Dutch co-venture that placed 121 on the Fortune 500 list in 2010). The company brings in about $55M/yr.
CEO Polman's Salary is reported to be 2,877,000 ($3.8M).

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/peopl...
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:03 PM
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12. Read the following please:) I don't know if you or others will believe it when you read it but here
Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc., manufacturer of ice cream, frozen yogurt, and sorbet, was founded in Vermont in 1978 by Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, childhood friends from Long Island, New York. The company became known for its known for its innovative flavor combinations and names (such as "Cherry Garcia," the first ice cream named for a rock legend), its environmentally friendly production policies, and its local, national and international social involvement. Originally founded in a converted garage with an investment of $12,000, Ben & Jerry's was acquired by Unilever, an Anglo-Dutch corporation, for $326 million in 2000.

Under the terms of the agreement, the company continued to operate separately from Unilever's existing U.S. ice cream business, with an independent Board of Directors to provide leadership for its social mission and brand integrity.Text



Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-jerry-s#ixzz1a8UXULzd

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:05 PM
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17. Fancy smancy marketing lingo - look up the company ownership. nt
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:17 PM
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20. You know ask the workers if they are happy with this employer I think they are the only ones that
count! Believe what you will. I think Ben & Jerry would have made sure they didn't sell their employees out! I think more of them then for that to have happened. Some companies, a few for sure, do care and Ben and Jerry both did.

Don't believe this either:

Ben & Jerry's Complete Rejection Of Conventional Wisdom
Posted by Brian Halligan
Mon, Nov 29, 2010 @ 11:08 AM

Read more: http://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/7209/Ben-Je...

Our biggest "win" as a company is our complete rejection of traditional marketing conventional wisdom. As you all know by now, we believe that traditional, outbound marketing (advertisements, email spam, cold calls, etc) is dying as people are getting sick of the interruptions and getting better at blocking them out (dvr's, pop-up blockers, Pandora, spam protection, CallerID, etc). It is this complete rejection of marketing conventional wisdom upon which we have built our company and it is working out pretty well so far (3600 customers today -- up from about 1600 customers a year ago).

Probably our second biggest "win" as a company is our near complete rejection of how "work" should happen and how the relationship between a company and its employees should operate. This rethinking of the work structure and culture has provided big benefits for us in that we have attracted really great employees who are highly motivated...

the company was named the #1 Place To Work by The Boston Business Journal and the #4 Place To Work by the Boston Globe.



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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:26 PM
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24. Do you work for them? If you don't you should. nt
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:39 PM
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31. No I don't even live in Vermont - But I wish I did:) n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:09 PM
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19. Another thing - Unilever operates like any multinational ... read here about how they threatened
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 05:13 PM by TBF
to leave the UK because they didn't like to pay taxes ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retaila...

I know the ice cream is yummy :), but you've got to dig a little deeper here.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:18 PM
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22. Please - did you see where it said Ben & Jerry's is NOT run like the rest of the companies? n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:26 PM
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23. Marketing. But choose to believe what you like ... nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 04:57 PM
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9. More importantly, did they send an ice cream truck or something for
the great throng? Imagine what a riot that would cause.. Chocolate please,Yummmm.
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ChandlerJr Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:05 PM
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16. I hope not, that high fructose corn syrup they have started using
isn't supposed to be good for you.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:18 PM
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21. Yeah....but if they have chocolate well then...sigh...n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:01 PM
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11. I guess I need to go out and buy some Ben & Jerry's ice cream.
Not that I ever needed an excuse.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:05 PM
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15. Thanks! I agree - Let's do it:) n/t
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:50 PM
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40. Haha! You said it......I love the mint ice cream with the oreo type cookies in it and
coffee with chocolate covered toffee inside (heath bar like) ... mmmm
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:04 AM
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51. Yes Yes Yes!
Coffee Heath Bar Crunch is to die for.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:29 PM
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25. Unilever is *not* your avg corp. Think Hudson Bay Co - But in the Belgian Congo. And they make
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 05:31 PM by nomb
A couple of very, very uncool products:

Fair & Lovely Skin Whitening Cream, "The advertisements depicted dejected, dark-skinned women, who had been snubbed by employers and men, suddenly acquiring new boyfriends and glamorous careers after the cream had lightened their skin."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1556188/India...
http://slacko.com/current-affairs/fair-lovely-desi-obse...


And in Austria, "The Austrian branch of Unilever (Eskimo) is producing and marketing an ice-cream under the name Mohr im Hemd. "Mohr" (moor), is a colonial German word for African or black people, has a heavily colonialist and racist connotation.,<36><37> "Mohr im Hemd" (moor in the shirt) is a traditional Austrian chocolate speciality which refers to naked, "wild" Africans."

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpqRVk6K6HfMSA...


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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:37 PM
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29. OK - but again they are not running Ben & Jerry's like their other companies - Please read my other
posts. It was designated in their contract. If and when they do start to run it like their other companies I think we can all agree to boycott them.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:07 AM
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48. What a joke. It's one of the ultimate scumbag corporations to ever exist.
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ChandlerJr Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:28 PM
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27. BTW, Unilever trades on Wall Street
under the symbol UN

Unilever N.V. (ADR) (Public, NYSE:UN)
Dow Jones

31.90
-0.25 (-0.78%)
Oct 7 - Close
NYSE real-time data - Disclaimer
Currency in USD
Range 31.80 - 32.23
52 week 28.20 - 34.27
Open 31.92
Vol / Avg. 4.42M/4.13M
Mkt cap 89.36B
P/E 15.53

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:UN
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:35 PM
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28. And why should we be surprised? It is our way of doing business in this country. n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:01 PM
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34. "It is our way of doing business in this country" . It sure is - and that's what we're protesting.
Well, what SOME of us are protesting anyway. :eyes:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:05 PM
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35. If you took every stock market company and looked at them I think you would have to agree
they aren't all "bad". For instance look what Ford just did lately working with the Union:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/f...

Ford Motor Company
2011 Contract Negotiations

Ford announced a new four-year labor contract with the United Automobile Workers union on Oct. 4. The company agreed to add 12,000 jobs and invest $6.2 billion in its United States plants. The numbers included 6,250 jobs and $2.4 billion in investment that it had previously announced...

...Ford said the deal brings work to the United States from Mexico, China and Japan. Including design work, engineering and other expenses, Ford said its total investment in the United States through 2015 would be $16 billion.

....G.M.s deal gives workers a $5,000 signing bonus and $1,000 in each of the other three years. Ford workers who, unlike their counterparts at G.M. and Chrysler, did not have to give up their right to strike if negotiations broke down had been vocal about their desire for larger bonuses.

......

This is progress and I think that some who think we can change the entire way we do business overnight are not thinking of how long it takes things to change. I believe we need to start with changes like this and work upward! And I don't appreciate you being condescending to me. I have been a supporter of OWS from day one! I have posted constantly to encourage people to visit their site and help them out.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:48 AM
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45. I am not protesting individual people or companies - it is capitalism that needs to go.
We need to replace it with something sustainable that puts people before profits - my vote is for socialism.

I don't mean to be condescending, I'm old and it may come out that way because I've said things so many times. If it did I certainly apologize. I am from the Reagan generation and it has been very frustrating - I remember Carter and have lived through 30+ years of very conservative rule since then (and Carter wasn't great either). As far as "how long it takes to change" - I think that will depend upon conditions. Conditions WILL dictate, not the other way around. When people lose their home & job they have nothing more to hold on to - and as these protest continue many will get more militant. It is not that they want to become violent, it is that they have nothing to lose.

The rich know this, and that is why they are mocking the protests and trying to undermine them with their "what are your demands" crap. I'll tell you what we demand - we demand an economic system in which folks are able to have a job, home, health care, and education, as basic human rights. I could go on but I'm way off topic as it is ...
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:38 AM
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56. OK in some way I get what you are saying but to do that I think we must be able to
stabilize our current situation and then move on. I don't think an immediate change in our financial structure will be able to be established in our lifetimes. I also believe a combination of Socialism and Capitalism, like they have in Sweden, would be the best alternative to reach the goals you but forth. I am more with you then against your ideas, just feel we all must be practical to get to that point in the future.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:23 PM
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69. Conditions will dictate - stay tuned. I have a feeling things are going to move
much more quickly than either of us might think. All we can do is be ready.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:51 PM
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33. Ben & Jerry's new CEO says it will stay in Vermont.........
Ben & Jerry's new CEO promises to keep it in Vermont
Updated 3/24/2010

....Ben & Jerry's has more autonomy than most of Unilever's brands, Solheim said. Ben & Jerry's is the only Unilever brand with its own board and its own CEO.

"It's not an ice cream brand. It's a company with a mission," he said, referring to Ben & Jerry's attempt to consider social and environmental causes.

Anglo-Dutch Unilever's ice cream division also owns Breyers, Klondike and Popsicle, according to the company's most recent annual report. The company has "400 brands spanning 14 categories of home, personal care and foods products," its website says.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2010-03-2...

(More at link)

...........

Good for them!!
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:09 PM
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36. n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 09:10 PM by BOG PERSON
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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:25 PM
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37. All hail Ben & Jerry's Schweddy Balls!
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 10:29 PM by HomerRamone
American Family Association Comes Out Against Ben & Jerrys New Flavor Schweddy Balls

http://www.mediaite.com/online/american-family-associat...
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:52 AM
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67. Phish Food RULZ
:thumbsup:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:39 PM
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77. New York
Super Fudge Chunk - A chocolate lovers dream come true!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:38 PM
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38. Either this is real or the honchos at mothership Unilever told them to act like they care.
I'm way too cynical these days.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:11 AM
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49. It's a cornerstone of the corporate marketing plan. It's their business model - and it works.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:36 PM
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39. Ben and Jerry's Rocks! nt
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tropicanarose Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:52 PM
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41. Woot! Ben and Jerry's has cajones........and true Schweddy Balls for America!
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:16 AM
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42. Did the send ice cream, or only moral support?
Moral support is nice, but I'd bet the protesters would also like ice cream.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:42 AM
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43. and leave it to Ben & Jerry to state the problems! awesome!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:00 AM
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44. this from the Ben and Jerry's website regarding franchise inquiries
To be a Ben & Jerry's franchisee is to challenge yourself to operate a socially responsible business in every way possible. Our franchisees uphold our three-part mission statement. They believe in our values and they aren't afraid to stand up for something, like the environment, marriage equality or sensible federal budget priorities. They are in love with representing Ben & Jerry's in their neighborhoods, their cities, and their towns.

http://www.benjerry.com/scoop-shops/franchise-opportuni... /

But basically I just like Ben and Jerry's ice cream the most. I love the names of their products like Chunky Monkey and Cherry Garcia.

.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:03 AM
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47. said the most OVERpriced ice cream company in world...GREED
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 09:04 AM by Zax2me
What nerve....from the company that charges full ice cream gallon prices for a couple pints.
That is GREED.
PERIOD.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 09:56 AM
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50. yeah... shame on them for supporting Americans
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 09:57 AM by fascisthunter
:eyes:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:21 AM
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55. 8 ounces of Kobe beef fillet mignon cost more than 10 pounds of regular chuck roast too
Ben and Jerry's is the kobe beef of ice cream and worth every penny.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:50 PM
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72. They use quality ingredients, not corn syrup and starch from China. They pay their workers a
living wage. Ever been to their factory? Thought not. Sounds like YOU are the greedy one who wants American workers to work for as little as the Chinese do so it doesn't cost YOU anything more.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 08:30 PM
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136. They do use Corn syrup and chemicals - in hundreds of plants in around 40 countries including here
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 08:32 PM by nomb
It's just is.

And they use to have a limiting factor on how much the highest paid person could make compared to the lowest. It was at one time 8:1. They dropped that and no longer have any limits at all.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:33 PM
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82. The full gallon and the B&J pints
have the same amount of "stuff" in them but the gallon of ice cream has had its texture ruined by shitloads of air being beaten into it. If you want to pay the same amount for second rate ice cream and air, that's your business.

But it has fuck all to do with greed (except possibly on the part of the discount ice cream maker who knows that Americans are stupid enough to go for the biggest package without actually thinking about the quality of what's inside it.)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:32 PM
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110. GREED is the Vatican sitting on a pile of gold while saying "help the poor"
That's "greed", Jack. At least when you pay 2 bucks for Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream you get something tangible, i.e. ice cream.

Give your money to a church, and all you get is a pack of lies and hot air.
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joanbarnes Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:09 AM
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52. Yet another reason to eat their ice cream!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:14 AM
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53. I appreciate Ben and Jerry's support of Occupy Wall Street.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:20 AM
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54. Let's support Ben & Jerry's, because their wage is superior!
This is one board of directors that isn't afraid to forgo bonuses and dividends to help their employees make ends meet! /sarcasm.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:00 AM
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57. You may think what you said was sarcasm but this is their policy - Seems pretty fair to me!..
http://www.benjerry.com/company/sear/2008/sear08_9.0.cf...

This was posted in 2008 but it is still on the website so I assume it is still in effect:

Ben & Jerrys is committed to paying all of its full-time manufacturing workers a livable wage. In 1995 we established a method for calculating a livable wage benchmark for Vermont. We defined it as the starting wage for a single person that will sustain a reasonable quality of life to include expenditures for housing, utilities, out-of-pocket health care, transportation, food, recreation, savings, taxes, and miscellaneous expenses. Since then, weve adjusted this livable wage annually to ensure the relative value is sustained in todays marketplace.

Ben & Jerrys livable wage benchmark for 2008 started at $13.06 per hour, but we revised it upwards to $13.25 per hour halfway through the year in response to significant inflation in the broader economy in 2008 and specifically the rising cost of gasoline. This hourly wage translates to $27,560 per year. For comparison, in 2008, the minimum wage in Vermont was $8.06/hr ($16,765/yr) and the national minimum wage was $6.55/hr ($13,624).

Bonus Plan

Every full-time Ben & Jerrys employee is eligible for some form of variable pay over and above their base pay. In 2008, Ben & Jerrys salaried exempt employees and salaried non-exempt employees were eligible for the Variable Pay Award (VPA) plan which allocates bonuses based on the Companys financial performance and the individuals progress on goals and targets. Ben & Jerrys company-owned scoop shop managers received variable pay through Ben & Jerrys Retail Incentive Plan which is calculated based specifically on criteria relating to scoop shop sales and performance criteria.

Ben & Jerrys full-time hourly manufacturing employees were eligible for bonuses and incentives in 2008 through a Keys to Enterprise (KTE) plan. The KTE payout in 2008 included cash; Ben Bucks, our own in-house currency which can be redeemed in Company stores; and other awards. The average value of the KTE payout in our Vermont plants in 2008 was just over $510 per employee, up from $474 in 2007.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:31 AM
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62. so that's the secret formula for making the best ice cream in the world
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:42 AM
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64. Are you telling me that every B&J employee makes double
the minimum wage? (or just a dollar under?)
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:13 AM
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59. OccuPie - new flavour.
flavour of gum (sidewalk gum) and erm, chewing tobacco?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:51 AM
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65. Beans and Rice, with just a hint of salsa (read ketchup)
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:15 AM
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60. K&R'd
:thumbsup:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:20 AM
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61. REC from a Chunky Monkey fan.
Please cross-post major #Occupy news here:

***** OFFICIAL Occupy America BLOG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:32 AM
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63. anyone who doesn't love Chunky Monkey doesn't have a heart and will not go to heaven when they die
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 11:51 AM
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66. That moooved me ...thanks
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 12:08 PM
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68. I support Ben and Jerry's with my wallet. If someone doesn't like Ben and Jerry's, don't buy it.
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ProgressoDem Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:01 PM
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70. I love the asinine replies to this thread.
Companies are not the problem. Even big companies are not the problem. Monstrous corporations, especially those on Wall Street that produce NOTHING and earn BILLIONS are the problem.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:45 PM
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71. Damn straight.
There are good and bad members of the "Corporate" community.

You have repeat offenders like B of A, United Health Care and Monsanto. Worst of the worst. But then, like you said, there are leaches that produce nothing, take billions, and have completely bought our politicians.

There is nothing wrong with wealth or size, it has to do with injustice and a rigged system.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:57 PM
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74. well yes and in the real world there have been many workable examples of mixed economies where
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 02:02 PM by Douglas Carpenter
capitalism and socialism mixed together under pluralistic multi-party democracy has created prosperous, free and secure societies. There has never ever even once been one single case ever in the history of the world where capitalism has been eradicated and replaced with a collectivist economy that did not turn into an impoverished totalitarian nightmare. This is simply a matter of a whether one wants to embrace a model that has been proven to work or a model that has been proven on every single occasion without any exceptions to fail and produce poverty, misery and dictatorship - and even worse - societies that do not have the social dynamics capable of creating something as wonderful as Chunky Monkey ice cream.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:39 PM
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83. umm, there are people alive today that worked as slaves for Unilever in Congo - and their overseers.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 03:50 PM by nomb
It wasn't until the 19fucking50's that Africans in the Belgian Congo colony were able to own fucking land in their own country legally. It was the late 1950's when lending to an African was de-fucking-criminalized.

All this forgiven because they fucking offer chunky monkey and an infinitesimal percentage of the $100,000,000.00 dollars a day revenue stream to fucking fund posters with feel-good platitudes on them?

WTF!



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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:45 PM
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84. Ben and Jerry's as you know operates separately under a separate board of directors then Uniliver
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 03:55 PM by Douglas Carpenter
and under a mandate operates as socially responsible as any company possible can - as has been pointed out on numerous other post. Ben and Jerry's ice cream is certainly not produced by Congolese slave labor. Ben and Jerry's are certainly are not responsible for what Unilever did more than 60 years ago in Africa long before their first ice cream cone was ever sold.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:53 PM
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85. It was bought with, and is owned by, money from the Belgian Congo Plantation trade. Blood Money.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 03:55 PM by nomb
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:56 PM
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86. oh that's where they got the money to buy Ben and Jerry's -- decades later..
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:00 PM
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87. Those people, the slaves and the masters, are still alive - and Unilever still relies on the
and Unilever still relies on the African commodities trade and is a major world player in those same raw materials.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:07 PM
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89. Check out these Congolese workers that failed to meet their quota's.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 04:10 PM by nomb



Betcha they never try that shit again. Slackers.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:02 PM
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88. You believe those slave billions are all spent? This is all new, fresh & clean Wealth? Really?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:08 PM
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90. I just don't see how buying Ben and Jerry's ice cream supports slave labor in the Congo
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:11 PM
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91. It doesn't. Buying B & J's purpose is for marketing. Just like BP's foray into Green Energy. No diff
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 04:12 PM by nomb
Unilever is not considered one of the good guys anywhere outside the US.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:25 PM
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92. But Ben and Jerry's is considered one of the good guys and they operate largely independently
That was one of the conditions of their purchase agreement. A commitment to social responsibility and progressive values was one of the conditions of their purchase agreement. They do not even accept and will not approve franchises even in their international arrangements from those who will not commit themselves to community social responsibility and a solid commitment to progressive values - even from investors who have all the liquid assets. That is something very few franchise operations do.

To be a Ben & Jerry's franchisee is to challenge yourself to operate a socially responsible business in every way possible. Our franchisees uphold our three-part mission statement. They believe in our values and they aren't afraid to stand up for something, like the environment, marriage equality or sensible federal budget priorities.

http://www.benjerry.com/scoop-shops/franchise-opportuni...
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:43 PM
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93. Post sale: Battery chickens, False "natural" labeling, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Carrageenan
You've been duped no less than a McDonald's All-American food aficionado ...
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:46 PM
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94. so if you don't like Ben and Jerry's - what is your favorite ice cream? Hagan Daz perhaps?
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 06:02 PM by Douglas Carpenter
Actually I just really love Ben and Jerry's ice cream - just as I really like Krispy Kreme donuts. They are simply the best tasting of all the major brands. And the fact that Ben and Jerry's tries to be a bit socially responsible, treats their employees well, require social responsibility from their franchise operators and have publicly announced their full support for the Occupy Wall Street movement are toppings on the sundae.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:53 PM
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95. I only make my own. For real. :) .... here's a great recipe:
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 06:00 PM by nomb
Best recipe: Vanilla Ice Cream


2 cups each Cream. half and half and milk = total 6 cups

1/2 cup sugar

good pinch of kosher salt

tablespoon Vanilla extract

1 Vanilla pod (you may substitute another tablespoon of Vanilla extract for this)

tablespoon brandy or Rum (Optional, it shapes the flavor profile and helps pull from the Vanilla pod during the simmer. It does not make it a rum or brandy flavor)

Simmer 8 minutes and then chill before churning.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:00 PM
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96. that sound like a good thing to do. I have made some attempts at making my own ice cream
but I guess I need to get some better equipment and work on it a bit more. But most people are not up to it. I would make a wild guess that if you looked into the background of the various businesses that produce and distribute the materials and equipment that you need for making your own ice cream, - you might find some disturbing information. That is the real world.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:03 PM
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98. If I knew of living links to the darkest of all colonial horrors - I would speak out again.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 06:07 PM by nomb
The worst part about the Ben & Jerry's scam is how transparent the ploy is.


It's not even a pale imitation of the product it once was.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:10 PM
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99. is there a public relations/marketing side to all of this political correctness just as has been
reported with Body Shop and other businesses that promote themselves as socially responsible? Of course there is. I wasn't born yesterday and I have lived in the third world most of my life. But there is only so much one can expect from an unjust world. It is better that Ben and Jerry's or Body Shop or whoever feel the need to uphold some standards and promote that in their marketing than to not even attempt any social consciousness at all.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:19 PM
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101. Did you also swallow BP's Green Credentials? Those were sweet ads and good cause investments
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:22 PM
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105. no
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:20 PM
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103. They don't walk the walk. Battery Chickens, chemicals, false advertising of "Natural"
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:25 PM
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108. Ben and Jerry's is simply not claiming that they do not use ingredients that they do in fact use.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:37 PM
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111. Clarify please?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:52 PM
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118. Ben and Jerry's discloses their ingredients that they use for making their ice cream
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:53 PM
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120. Post sale: They are now chemicals, fillers and industrial sweeteners
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 06:53 PM by nomb
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:56 PM
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123. and are they not disclosing their ingredients?
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:58 PM
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125. It is no longer the honest unique product it was - just a premium industrial grade mass market food
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:03 PM
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129. well that is not how I have found it. Granted I have been living until recently in part of the
world where Ben and Jerry's was not available and I had to make do with Hagen Daz. I find Ben and Jerry's to be by far the best mass produced ice cream on the market anywhere in the world I have been. If it was once better than it is now, I regret that I missed those days because of my geographic location. But I can find it now in one locations where I am currently living and I surely enjoy it. Industrial grade is surely not the words that come to my mind.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:11 PM
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131. Go try to buy these B&J ingrediants: (That is why it's Industrial Grade Food - for its makeup)
Liquid Sugar, Corn Syrup, Coconut Oil, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Cocoa (Processed With Alkali), Cocoa, Natural Flavors, Concentrated Lemon Juice, Caramel And Red Cabbage Juice Extract (For Color), Guar Gum, Milkfat, Soya Lecithin, Carrageenan


That's just one flavor. One of the other major ingredients? Water.



http://obrag.org/?p=9046
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:15 PM
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133. so is it fair to say that you do not approve of any mass produced products made by any
medium to large scale manufacturer?
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:17 PM
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135. Do you not make a distinction between living slave owners and everyone else?
Unilever is not theoretically dirty they ran slave plantations in the fucking Belgian Congo using slaves that still walk the earth as testament.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:16 PM
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100. B&J really came under pressure after a 1997 law that allowed Veg fat for the first time. Breyers
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 06:17 PM by nomb
This was the same time Breyers dropped their old formula as well.


Remember the old classic ad of the child trying to read the ingredients off an ice cream and the words are too hard to pronounce - and then he picks up a Breyers carton and reads the FOUR ingredients that were listed on it?

That ad can NOT be found anywhere on the internet...... Scrubbed by corporate.


Just like Unilever's dirty money is being laundered by the B&J Corporation. No one will ever remember...
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:20 PM
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102. I doubt that there is any evidence that Ben and Jerry's is in the money laundering business
The operate pretty much independently and they make a very tasty and creative product.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:21 PM
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104. They clean blood money to make money that can be acceptable at cocktail parties.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:23 PM
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107. again there simply isn't much of case that Ben and Jerry's is laundering blood money or any kind of
money for anyone.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:38 PM
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112. So those were clean Billions that bought B&J? Not Congolese colonial wealth?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:47 PM
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114. how old was Ben or Jerry when these things were going on in the Congo?
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 06:49 PM by Douglas Carpenter
I suspect they were just little kids at the time. To say that it was Congolese colonial wealth that purchased them a number of decades later is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Besides Ben and Jerry's operates independently with its own independent board of directors. Nothing Ben and Jerry's has ever done has ever supported slave labor in the Congo.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. Would you say that Ford's wealth came from cars? Unilever still is huge in the colonial "trades"
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #116
122. and Ben and Jerry's operates independently
I doubt that one can go through a single day of their life with out using a number of products that were in whole or in part manufactured in the third world,
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #122
127. It doesn't look that way when you see battery chickens, false advertising of "natural" and chemicals
But if that's what they told you....
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #127
132. if you simply don't approve of any medium to large size manufacturer
or a subdivision of a large manufacturer - then I must assume that nothing Ben and Jerry's or any other medium to large scale manufacturer would do would ever be acceptable to you
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:16 PM
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134. Do you not make a distinction between living slave owners and everyone else?
Unilever is not theoretically dirty they ran slave plantations in the fucking Belgian Congo using slaves that still walk the earth as testament.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 01:16 AM
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137. that has nothing to do with the Ben and Jerry's operation - that's ludicrous
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #112
117. Are you writing your posts from the North American continent?
The land you're sitting on is soaked with blood, theft & oppression. There's no such thing as "clean" billions. The past can't be changed. What's important is what is going on NOW.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #117
124. Big diff between ghosts and living embodiments like the Allianz of the world.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #124
126. I think when companies- like Ben & Jerry's- TRY to do the right thing
we should applaud them.
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #126
128. It's a marketing schtick. No doubt you felt yourself too smart to fall for such a gimmick.....
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #128
138. Everything is a marketing schtick, in one form or another. Christians whose altruism is supposed to
convince "God" to let them into heaven. The dude who helps a little old lady across the street knowing that a hot girl is watching.

What precise criteria would you use to distinguish between a corporation doing the right thing to improve its image and a corporation doing the right thing out of a "pure" motivation? :shrug:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. Their real objections are to OWS, They are smearing Ben & Jerry's because they
don't like what the board stands for. Not so closeted Freepers, all of them.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #70
109. Yeah, but the guy in the dorm room next to mine, who has the big che poster
told me that the whole capitalist system needs to be dismantled, man, and instead of arguing about bourgeois concerns like a livable wage or single payer health care or sensible regulations on speculative trading and 'creative financial instruments', we REALLY need to TEAR THE MOTHERFUCKER DOWN, MAN!!! ANARCHYYYYYY!!!

He was going to say something else, but then he realized that he needed to call his dad since this month's check is late.
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allan01 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:30 PM
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76. Ben & Jerry's Board of Directors send this to OWS: To those who Occupy: We stand with you.
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 02:31 PM by allan01
Bravo( my first post)
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. Welcome to DU! Thank you for the post - Please do many more:) Allan01 n/t
:hi:
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. And a worthy post it was, Allan01
Sheesh, I've seen people brand the Grateful Dead as corporate Marin County socialites. And they've got the arguments to back it up.
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #76
97. So, you popped your DU cherry, huh? Welcome!
May it be the first of many!

:toast:
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:58 PM
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78. It Grows And Grows
Way to go Ben and Jerry, I'd eat more of your ice cream if almost all of it wasn't chock full of sat fat.

The momentum is building and I'm seeing more fear from the 1%, at least the 1% who aren't with us.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:23 PM
Response to Original message
106. Yes, but they sell stuff. For money.
Doesn't that make them, like, evil? :shrug:
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #106
113. No. But Unilever's wealth from Belgian Congolese Slave labor does.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #113
115. There is a tremendous amount of wealth in the USA that can be traced back to slave labor, too
Or are we talking about something that Ben & Jerry's could take up the chain to the corporate board of directors at Unilever now?

Please, if you've got links to current abuses, I'll read them.


We're sure this is about the Belgian Congo and not, say, Unilever making sexy ads that upset the puritans and authoritarian anti-sex doily clutchers on the right & left?
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #115
119. This was up till the '50's when Africans were first allowed to own land or borrow money in Congo
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #119
121. Post #115
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #121
130. It is now, Right now there are living Congolese that slaved for Unilever and the nations wealth is
And that nations wealth still sits in the Corporate coffers. It was used to buy B&J, no less.

This is not the theoretical guilt of the west - this is Unilever's immediate history.


Both the Slave overseers and the Belgian Congolese slaves themselves still having living members of that time walking the earth. Some of those slaves were just children then and would be no older than Ben and Jerry themselves today.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 03:35 AM
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139. Hey Ben & Jerry's, send all the protesters some ice cream ASAP !!! n/t
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