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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:42 PM
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You want an eerily accurate prediction of these protests/uprisings? Robert Anton Wilson from 1990:
"If the rate of increase of information does have the structure of a Mandelbrot set, as McKenna claims, by the year 2012 we should have information doubling every day and, later in the year, every hour and then every nanosecond. I can't imagine what this means practically in terms of social change, because every doubling of information in the past has resulted in totally unexpected social revolutions, violent or non-violent."

With the utilization of twitter, facebook, YouTube, Occupy Wall Street sites posting up-to-date "meeting minutes," other Occupy Everywhere sites popping up every minute, and livestream (talk about up-to-date by the nanosecond), I'd say that was a pretty amazing prediction. That man's intelligence and wit is sorely missed.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:57 PM
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1. K&R
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:00 PM
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2. the Electric Age may come sooner than expected
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:05 PM
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3. I really like what this guy says here can you post more?
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:09 AM
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6. It's from his book "Cosmic Trigger II: Down to Earth"...
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 12:16 AM by drokhole
...it covers a broad range of topics (including his life), and this particular thread (information doubling) is told throughout the book with numerous callbacks, but I'll try to list the relevant bits:

In 1974, statistician George Anderla estimated how much information humanity had accumulated between that African stone ax of 4,000,000 BC and the beginning of the Christian calendar in 1 AD when Rome was the biggest slave-state yet organize.

Naturally, 4,000,000 years worth of information gives you a rather large number. Anderla, however, took that as his basic unit, and then calculated how long it took to double that amount of binary units of information.

It only took 1500 years. By then power had shifted northward and mildly westward to the great Italian city-states ruled by bankers like the Medici.


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In 1550 AD, any educated person could potentially learn twice as much as the most erudite Roman of 1 AD, and something called 'the Renaissance' was challenging every dogma and orthodoxy of Europe. In China, the Confucian bureaucracy sought justice and fairness, as Confucius had taught them to do.

Within one breeding generation of the doubling of information - 17 years - in 1517 the first successful Protestant Revolution broke loose in Germany...

Only one breeding generation later, in 1534, the second successful Protestant Revolution occurred in England.

The Papacy felt itself losing control of the Western world and fought back; the Protestants refused to lie down and die, so one religious war followed another for over 200 years. In that 200 years, the avant minds of Europe increasingly turned away from the fanaticism of both the Catholic and Protestant reality-tunnels and moved, slowly and imperceptibly at first, toward 'humanism,' secularism and Objective Science.

It had taken around four million years to get from the first African stone ax to the Roman engineers and Roman law; but an even more total revolution had occurred by the time knowledge doubled again in 1500.


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By 1750, the information larder of humanity had doubled again.

The second doubling had taken only 250 years, during most of which Europe had been torn by crazy and fanatical religious wars.

By 1750 Julien de La Mettrie published the first book giving a completely mechanistic and materialistic account of human life and behavior...

Within one year, all this new information gave Benjamin Franklin the ideas he needed to embark on his electrical experiments, which led David Hume and many others to consider him 'the greatest scientist since Newton.'

Within 15 years, in 1765, James Watt in Scotland invented his steam engine and the Industrial Revolution began.

Watt had set a time-bomb under Patriarchy: The whole sun-king system which had held agricultural civilization together since the Bronze Age began to crumble. Industrialism demanded, and got, a major transformation of humanity, as radical as that which had occured when the sun-kings arose to conquer the 'partnership societies' (tribes) around them.

The American Revolution began in 1776. The French Revolution in 1789. The United Irish uprising in 1798. The first Mexican Revolution in 1810. The ideas of democracy and the free market began to win converts, and following in their wake were wilder 'heresies' like socialism, anarchism, feminism..."




The information doubled again in 1900, then again in 1950 ("American Empire replaces British Empire in prominence"), then in 1960 ("we" collectively knew twice as much about the Universe as we had known in 1950..., demonstrations against segregation, first U.S. communications satellite in orbit, 200,000 new theorems were being published every year and no single mind could keep up with all this, world population reached 3 billion), again in 1967:

Out of the American civil rights movement and the Third World struggles for liberation from imperialism, something completely new emerged - a worldwide Youth Revolution that nobody could define at the time and nobody has yet defined even today. It was a rebellion against war, and against racism, and against every Elite which greedily hugged its power - but it was also a new style of music, a change in drug habits (alcohol being rejected in favor of pot), a new awareness of ecology...

Bucky Fuller said that all the confusion, and sometimes feuding, movements that made up the Youth Revolution had one thing and only one thing in common. The participants were the first human generation that had been raised on television."



Then, again in 1973 ("Big Computers", cease-fire in Vietnam), and I lost the thread in my notes from there. Fair warning, I'm leaving out A LOT of material and events, but I hope this gives you enough of an idea. For more context, the quote from the OP is preceded by this:

"During the brain workshop, I did my standard bit about how information has been accelerating in the past two thousand years, using the same statistics from French economist George Anderla used in this book. Somebody asked me if I thought that process might be a Mandelbrot fractal, as suggested by Terence McKenna. I said frankly that I wasn't sure, but I certainly agree with Terence that there are more wild and unpredictable changes directly ahead of us."


Sorry if this is long-winded and wildly confusing, but it's hard to really summarize it (quite honestly, the whole "Cosmic Trigger Series" is worth a read). It, crudely, boils down to this:

"By 1973...if you knew where to look, like somewhere in the Big Computers, you could find 128 times as much data as Jesus ever saw, 64 times as much as Leonardo had at his disposal, 32 facts for every one fact known in 1750, 16 for every one known in 1900, 8 for every one in 1950, 4 for 1960...and twice as much as we had in our inventory only six years earlier in 1967."

Edit to add: This video may also help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q472Gf9Zd9k (Wilson appears around the :52 mark)
And, here's a description of the Jumping Jesus Phenomenon



And sorry it took so long, had to find what book it was from, then pour through the book. Anyway, here's a few of my other favorite quotes from the book:

"All through my life, the U.S. has been at war more of the time than it has been at peace, and virtually all the wars are directed at colored peoples far, far away who pose absolutely no threat to our soil. The only threats most of them pose are that they are non-white, non-Christian and no longer willing to be governed by 'our' corporations."

"Whenever the Establishment is annoyed, they send cops to beat the shit out of people."

"On a planet that increasingly resembles one huge Maximum Security prison, the only intelligent choice is to plan a jail break."

"We could follow traditional mammalian politics, in which one nation would try to dominate the others in order to access all 92 elements, which we now call a zero-sum-game. Or, we could choose a new synergistic path, a non-zero-sum-game, in which all Terrans cooperate to "advantage all without disadvantaging any."
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:39 PM
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16. thanks for that
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:52 PM
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29. That's all fine and well...
but what of Sarah Palin, The Tea Party, and the the power of prayer? Hmmmm???

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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:58 PM
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30. Guess we can't always count on it being the 'right' information...
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 08:02 PM by drokhole
:shrug: :rofl:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:01 PM
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31. Let us pray...
:D
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:03 PM
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32. Ha(men)!
:toast:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:28 PM
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33. He(re) he(re)!
:toast:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:07 PM
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4. Is he speaking of the Singularity?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:04 PM
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13. What singularity?
:shrug:

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:20 PM
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15. "the rapture for nerds"
Edited on Sun Oct-02-11 05:22 PM by eShirl
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:20 PM
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14. probably
and I wouldn't characterize the above quote as "eerily accurate," but whatever
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:20 PM
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24. Yes, essentially. Time Wave Zero
McKenna did a whole thing using the Iching and figured that 2012 was the date when it all comes together.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:32 PM
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5. Kick and Rec for RAW. nt
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:01 AM
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7. RAW is the source of the 23 in my screen name. kr.
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:17 AM
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8. Skidoo!
Hail Eris! (and spare change)
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:36 AM
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9. I just gave this rec 23.
It's ok, if you don't see the fnords, they can't eat you :D
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:28 AM
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10. Just one of them coincidences!
10/2/11: 10+2+11 = 23 ;)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:19 PM
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12. LOL Now stop that!
It only SEEMS to add up to 23.
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:03 PM
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20. Ha, well put!
Which is why I refuse to mention 23 and the "The Law of Fives" (2+3 = 5), and that adding each individual number of 10/2/11 shows us 1+0+2+1+1 = 5, or that there are 5 terms in the date/equation itself...I refuse, I tell ya! :7

:party: :toast:
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:43 PM
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25. That's not the law of fives - the law of fives is much more general.
The law of fives says that any and all events are related to the number 5 and/or the number 23 (2+3=5), given enough ingenuity on the part of the researcher.

The second part is VERY IMPORTANT.
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:46 PM
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27. That second part is important in a lot of areas...
:)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:37 PM
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11. I was lucky enough to see him in person
sometime around 1990 (I can't remember the exact date, time seems to have sped up, exponentially). He was a fascinating guy. I think the OTO sponsored his talk. I'm not much of a fan of the OTO, but I'm glad I overcame that to go to the talk.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:00 PM
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17. Robert Anton Wilson explains quantum physics
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drokhole Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:14 PM
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21. I love his book on quantum physics...
Quantum Psychology

But, who am I kidding, he touched on (more like delved into) the subject in most his work. Quite deftly, I might add. Love that affable schmuck.

And thanks for the link! I remember watching it awhile ago, but it was a pleasant refresher.
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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:31 PM
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18. Cool as hell contribution. K&R nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:20 PM
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19. Terence McKenna was a very interesting speaker
I receommend listening to his interviews. He really may be on to something, big.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 10:26 PM
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22. Future Shock
by Alvin Toffler, 1970.


Information overload and confusion are probably at least partly responsible for so many Americans voting against their own economic interests.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 11:18 PM
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23. +1 for ref to Mandelbrot, McKenna, Wilson and 2012 all in one paragraph
nice :thumbsup:
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:43 PM
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26. Love RAW!
Atom and heave...and so on...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 07:49 PM
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28. So all those people who complained for ten years that DU was a waste of time
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 07:57 PM by Kurovski
were just plain wrong.

I see...

EDIT: ever since OWS has taken to the streets, I look at the "campaigning" going on in all quarters, hear the things Obama says, and feel like i'm watching it as though it's a twenty years in the past. It's the oddest feeling.
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