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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:00 PM
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Bruce Reed now Biden's Chief of Staff. Last year said mission nearly completed.
And it is apparently nearly done. He is CEO of the DLC. Their policies are firmly in place now, especially the ones I never thought I would see under a Democratic administration.....cutting Social Security, closing public schools to become charter schools, the move to be sure that we (the left, the liberals) are kept in their proper place.

Here is how Newsweek describes his appointment.

Bruce Reed, Biden's New Chief of Staff, Is Another Centrist Choice

My first thought when I saw this picture of the deficit commission with him in the middle....why are these men laughing? Why...because they are getting their greedy hands on Social Security after all the years we fought for it. Betrayed by our own party.


Harry Hamburg / AP Deficit commission members, including executive director Bruce Reed in center, on Capitol Hill.

When President Obama named Bill Daley his new chief of staff, there was muted grumbling on the left. Daley, a banker and commerce secretary under Bill Clinton, had publicly criticized the Democratic Party and Obama administration for governing too far from the left. But his appointment was not presented as an ideological repositioning so much as a pragmatic choice. At the time, many liberals—in the words of Robert Kuttner, the coeditor of The American Prospect and a fellow at Demos, a progressive think tank—saved their fire for bigger potential fights to come, especially potential cuts to Social Security benefits.

Now the administration is bringing in one of the architects of the proposal to cut Social Security benefits and other domestic programs: Bruce Reed, who has been named chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden. Reed recently served as executive director of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, which Obama created to fashion a bipartisan compromise on long-term deficit reduction, and is also known as the Bowles-Simpson Commission, after its co-chairs. The commission report was criticized on the left for agreeing to what liberals considered arbitrary and unnecessary limits on domestic discretionary spending. "Reed is someone who has been very open for a long time in his desire to see Social Security and Medicare rolled back," says Dean Baker, codirector of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington.


When we won back the House, the Senate, and the White House....the DLC declared victory. It was not their victory, it was ours. They took credit falsely.

Here are the words of Bruce Reed from 2009 when he took credit not due him.

Bruce Reed: “The political mission of the DLC has been largely accomplished"

“The political mission of the DLC has been largely accomplished,” said Reed, who’s had the group’s No. 2 post since 2001. “Twenty-five years ago, the forgotten middle class had serious doubts about Democrats, and now Democrats are winning the middle class, suburban voters, moderates by handsome margins. Our next challenge is to deliver on that promise and earn those votes for years to come.”


Well, Bruce, the forgotten middle class now have even more doubts...but not a single Democratic leader is listening. You are barreling ahead with plans that are the dream of the GOP.

More on what Reed said, he put his trust in Obama to fulfill their goals...he has not disappointed them.

Reed said he’s pinning some of his hopes for the group’s future on Obama’s promise to break through the constraints of partisan politics. The notion that Obama might be receptive to the DLC’s ideas gained strength recently after the president told members of the House’s New Democrat Coalition that he considered himself one of them. “He said, ‘Listen, I feel comfortable with you guys because I consider myself a New Democrat,’” said Ron Kind of Wisconsin, one of the lawmakers at the meeting.


The article was originally in CQ Politics, but the link died. Here is more on that from the archives of the DLC.

Bruce Reed had a lot to say about grassroots in 2002. He wanted less grass.

Less grass more roots

Where have all the good protests gone? Aging centrists everywhere would love to blame over-pierced and under-challenged young people -- the first generation in human history to talk like snowboarders and think like Ralph Nader. Today's youth think "this generation has a lot to say" is an advertisement for cell phones -- which, as a matter of fact, it is.

Yet much as I believe that there's nothing wrong with the younger generation that a few years of national service wouldn't fix, they're not the only ones who bear responsibility for the collapse of modern dissent. If all that young Americans can find to get mad about is some vast globalist conspiracy, authority isn't giving them enough to question.


Interesting article by Reed...all of it needs reading.

Bruce Reed in 2003 co-wrote a memo with Al From, the previous DLC CEO. They said very clearly that Howard Dean would not be president.

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

...As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."


So one more quote from the first article that was originally at CQ Politics. This one paragraph from the CQ Politics article defines their philosophy. Instead of encouraging the party to keep these 49 districts to which they refer by telling people what we stand for and believe in, they seem to have a philosophy that to preserve those seats we must be as much like the other party as possible.


Here is the paragraph and why they claim credit. History has proven them right that we would lose the seats. But in my mind the reason we lost is because if you have a Republican running and a Democrat trying to be just like them....the real Republican will usually win. I forget who said that, but it is true.

On a broader level, though, the group will face the same tension affecting the entire party: the sense among liberals that “their ship has come in,” as (Ron) Kind puts it — and that, as a result, the need for moderation and compromise in Democratic politics has passed. But Democrats only have that majority because they’re holding on to seats that could easily return to Republican hands. In the House, for example, 49 districts that elected Democrats were carried by Republican John McCain at the top of the presidential ticket in 2008.


No, we never thought our ship had come in. But we expected not to be treated as though we do not exist.

Bruce Reed was right last year. The DLC is getting their charter schools, they are getting the drastic changes in Social Security. They are able to claim mission accomplished.




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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:15 PM
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1. woo. serious woo.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:30 PM
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2. I despise cryptic posts.
Edited on Fri Jan-14-11 06:34 PM by madfloridian
I don't do them. In fact I think people should take time to express themselves clearly.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:21 PM
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54. it smells like wood chips.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:27 PM
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31. ?
what is your "woo" supposed to mean?

:wtf:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:45 PM
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34. It's just more of the usual sophomoric, snarky ad hominem.
Same as it ever was.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:07 PM
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44. It means they don't have a good argument ready.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:17 PM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:33 PM
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52. What actually bothers you?
:shrug:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:33 PM
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3. Bruce fucking Reed? Highly discouraging and puke worthy.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:07 PM
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10. Makes me want to turn in my membership card.
Really.

:puke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:46 PM
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4. Shared sacrifices and all that stuff.
While the billionaires get tax cuts extended....they want the seniors to feel the pain. Makes so much sense.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:51 PM
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5. From 5 to 2 in less than a minute.
Amazing.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:52 PM
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6. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:53 AM
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19. ...
Appreciated. :hi:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 02:34 PM
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84. Whining about unreccs will just get you more unreccs
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:03 PM
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7. From the thread I posted earlier on this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x201708#201986

Reed's view of the deficit commisssion's proposal

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/28/104403/bruce-reed-becomes-democrats-voice.html

"Our plan, in many ways, resembles the Conservatives' plan in Britain," Reed said. "Theirs moves more quickly, because the U.K. has to. Our recovery is a little more fragile, and our debt problem, although incredibly serious, is not quite as urgent, because our problems aren't as bad as the other guys'. That gives us a little more time to phase in these tough changes. But not much."




And a K&R for your thoughtful OP.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:19 PM
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12. Damn, he used the word "sacrifices". I knew he would.
"WASHINGTON — It's going to require sacrifice, it might not be pretty, and people across the political spectrum will have to come together to get it done, warns Bruce Reed, the executive director of the presidential commission that's finding ways to stem the red ink of the nation's deficit.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/28/104403/bruce-reed-becomes-democrats-voice.html#ixzz1B3hGKDnK
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:41 PM
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16. Yep, and right in the zone with G8/G20 even as we've seen
the devastation that's caused in some of the European countries pushed into the "austerity" measures, which all seemed aimed at austerity for low and middle class and assistance for the banker and corporate elite.


And they never, ever discuss going in the direction of Shakowsky's plan, even though she drafted that as a Democrat on that Commission.

Still, stunning that he brought up that their plan is the same as the British Conservatives and that he thinks that's the direction to take.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 02:44 AM
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20. Good article about Schakowsky at Daily Kos today.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/14/933661/-Have-Democratic-leaders-ostracized-Jan-Schakowsky

Daily Kos
"Have Democratic leaders ostracized Jan Schakowsky?"

Interesting.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:06 PM
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79. Fantastic find
Glad to see others are pointing to the fact that we had a Democratic on that committee who wrote a Democratic proposal and that the philosophy guiding that and the points made could and should, but aren't, being brought up by Democratic leaders.

And we need to keep asking why that's the case.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:36 PM
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41. Sounds familiar...
All the same catch phrases used by the Corporate Megalomaniacs as they've inflicted disaster capitalism around the globe...when will the hoi polloi say enough already?!?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:08 PM
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45. Exactly right...corporate catch phrase.
:hi:
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:05 PM
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8. Recommend
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:06 PM
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9. DLC appointments = when actual Republicans are unavailable. nt nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:11 PM
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11. When did this happen
"The DLC is getting their charter schools, they are getting the drastic changes in Social Security."

The President's education policy is the same one he campaigned on, and there have been no "drastic changes" to Social Security.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:20 PM
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13. Not going to argue.
We know it is happening, and you are in denial.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:22 PM
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14. "We know it is happening, and you are in denial. "
It hasn't happened so you're speculating.

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:15 PM
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38. hmm...
There's a world of difference between 'speculating' and informed deductions.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:37 PM
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53. "There's a world of difference between 'speculating' and informed deductions."
Like the "informed deductions" that the commission would produce and approve a report, and then Congress would pass it and submit it to the President for signature?

It's speculation.

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 01:03 AM
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60. Increasing charter schools is not "speculation." It was an incentive for RTTT funding
sponsored by Arne Duncan and the President's education policy.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:53 AM
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62. How about
the informed deduction that the corporatists who've usurped our government AND the global economy are relentlessly imposing disaster capitalism on us all? How about the informed deduction that Mr. Obama's support of Arne Duncan, Michelle Rhee, and their ilk will accelerate the privatization of our system of public education (and, thus, its continued deterioration)? How about the informed deduction that Uncle Miltie's minions have infiltrated the IMF, the WTO, and every other significant financial services provider, insuring that massive numbers of the hoi polloi WORLDWIDE are living in or near extreme poverty?

Are you old enough to remember what happened when the thrifts went belly up? How can you argue that these vile hedonists won't obliterate social security, when privatization is their clarion call?

(Let's not even mention how poorly Mr. Obama handled the BP oil disaster...)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:31 PM
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80. Baloney.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 12:51 AM
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58. So, what do you think of Bruce Reed and his plans for the
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 12:52 AM by sabrina 1
sacrifices of the working class, while the rich get richer? And do you now understand why people were so concerned about this so-called 'deficit commission' made up of Republicans and Republican-lites, enemies of SS and the New Deal? I don't know why they couldn't have been honest and called it what it was.

And how do you feel about Obama's flip-flop on forming such Commissions? Airc, he slammed both McCain and Clinton for their support for a deficit commission, calling them 'a stealth way to get around Congressional hearings on such matters which is where they should be discussed out in the open where the people can see what is going on'!!

What do you think made him flip flop from that accurate description of such back door dealings known as 'commissions' to doing exactly what he said he was against so shortly after getting to the WH??

I really don't expect an answer, because the truth is, I think we all know the answer and it's same as the answer to why he flip-flopped on so many other positions he took during the campaign. Still, I'm always fascinated by the excuses for this president's broken promises.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:17 PM
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 02:30 PM
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83. The wild speculation about what the deficit commission would propose was wrong.
The idea that it would be rushed through Congress was wrong. In fact, the minor changes to social security didn't even get the votes required on the commission. You may choose to keep believing bloggers who mislead you but don't expect the rest of us to be so gullible.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:13 PM
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37. hmm...
Considering the number of times you've posted on DU (an average of more than 30 posts a day), one might think you more informed than your post suggests. Have you read Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein? Do you think Uncle Miltie's minions have changed their stripes when it comes to the US? Gosh, I hope you aren't that gullible.

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Edmund Burke
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:39 PM
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15. Eventually, they will run out of public treasure to pillage..
and they are clearly ill-prepared for the fallout from their destructive policies.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 08:21 PM
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17. Public pensions are next....Rahm would cut current pensions as mayor
and that is pretty bad. Some teachers in some states get only pension and no Social Security...bad situation.

Here's an article about others in leadership willing to go after public pensions.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=517581
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:52 PM
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18. Sam Stein quotes Reed about the fiscal commission....
"Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, said he wasn't particularly concerned about the role Reed would have on Social Security or Medicare policy since, after all, "this is not a top level position." But the effect that Reed would have on the overall ethos inside the White House, Baker said, had him worried. By way of explanation, he related the following story:

'I was at a Brookings event last month on the deficit and Bruce Reed was honored as the leadoff speaker based on his role as lead staffer for the Bowles-Simpson commission.

Anyhow, during his talk, Reed said that the commission saw itself as paving the path for divided government. This was striking because at the time the commission was established, there was not divided government, the Democrats controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress by large margins.

Perhaps by the summer, with the polls looking bad for the Dems, divided government seemed a more likely prospect, but it still seems rather presumptuous for a commission of this sort to be planning its actions based on its electoral predictions.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/14/bruce-reed-biden-chief-centrist-defenders_n_809310.html

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 05:03 AM
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21. there is only one party left in the usa
i suppose that party should be the corporate party of the united states. we the people no longer exists.
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:58 AM
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69. we exist we just don't have representation or a voice
my positions are rarely heard in the MSM
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:36 AM
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22. .
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:16 PM
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23. The direction of this administration has now been clear for more than a year.
Even the apparently "liberal" moves can often be seen to have a hidden agenda. For example, DADT can be seen as a way of increasing the available pool of cannon fodder. Health care "reform" set us up for the Republicans to selectively repeal those portions of the legislation the insurance industry doesn't like (ban on exclusions & rescission, coverage of dependents to age 26, mandated ratio of medical to administrative expenses, etc.) while retaining the portions they do like (the mandate, gov't subsidies for the poor, etc.)

Meanwhile, a poison pill has been planted in SS; education is being privatized; our unending and needless wars are being turned over to mercenaries (except for the really dangerous jobs, which remain in the hands of gov't troops), the poor and elderly are beinq squeezed a little harder, and bank profits are up, with increased bonuses for their so-deserving management.

Climate change is rushing upon us, and we are whistling past the graveyard of newly extinct species, in total denial that there are plots in there reserved for us.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:02 PM
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28. And it is basically the same direction as the other party in those areas
of education, social safety nets, and endless wars.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:28 PM
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40. Sad, really,
the vast numbers of our purported brethren who believe there is no 'hidden agenda' and who deny the increasingly detrimental consequences of global overpopulation (global climate change, heavy metal pollution of our water supplies, vast floating masses of plastic waste in both the Pacific and the Atlantic, numerous Superfund Sites in the US, air pollution over every metropolis worldwide, BP's mess in the Gulf, ongoing disappearances of entire hives of honeybees, radical income inequity...need I go on?)

As frightening as it may be to face all these potential catastrophes, it is inconceivable to me to deny their import.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:19 PM
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25. K&R The best truths on DU
come from MadF. No one can argue with you. They try picking a nit or changing the subject or deliberate misreading. But they can't argue your points.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 06:38 PM
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82. .....
Thanks, just saw your comment. Unfortunately I must never make a mistake, cause so many are waiting to jump right on it. Nice words. Trouble is to some facts don't matter.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 12:23 PM
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26. If they fuck up SS, they will never win another election in my lifetime.
Bad enough they fucked up the 401ks, if SS goes under or becomes worthless they will never see another Dem vote again. Or the ones that do, don't need SS (even the meger payout is better then no payout into something I've paid into all my working life).

Touch the thing and never win again...and I believe they just might be that stupid.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:25 PM
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30. Frankly I never ever thought it would happen.
But now that both parties are for it, it seems a sure thing.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:43 PM
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56. Me neither, use to laugh at people that thought that way
like they were off their rocker! Wow, now do I feel stupid. :(
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:01 AM
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70. with campaign finance the way it is, they were done anyway
stick a fork in 'em, they are done
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:01 PM
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27. The Republicans always threatened
to mess with social security and to privatize public schools, but they never actually did. It takes Democrats to things like that because the Republicans always knew they'd never get away with it. The Democrat's calculus for victory in 2012 has already factored large numbers of liberals sitting it out or defecting to a third party. What they haven't even considered is large numbers of liberals handing them a devastating defeat and teaching them one hell of a lesson by voting for the Republicans.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:13 PM
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29. The problem with that is that it would give the appearance
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 01:14 PM by Jackpine Radical
of a major shift to the right, and the damage would be incalculable in terms of ever getting a leftward movement. The media would be crowing about a conservative America.

Rather than sit it out, the best long-term strategy would to be to mount a serious challenge from the left. It doesn't much matter whether this is done in a primary or in a 3rd-party bid; the result would be the same: Obama would lose, and the loss would clearly be due to the defection of the left. The leftist certainly wouldn't win, but it might become clear that no Democrat can ignre them./

This would be a terrible thing IMHO; even a corporate Obama is somewhat better than any Republican. But it's getting to the point that I don't know what else to do.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:25 AM
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65. Sound reasoning.
Organizing at the precinct level and taking back the party at the grass roots would be the best strategy. However, that would take years to do even after some national organizational or movement existed to coordinate and help fund it. I don't know if we have years. I agree that what I suggested is radical and even hard for me not to choke on, but without a no bullshit revolt against the Democratic Party leadership no incentive exists for it to move left. I believe that Democratic politicians are not much different than Republicans. They are motivated by a conviction to hold on to their jobs and that motivation comes from fear, self interest and money, little of which the left now supplies them.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:14 AM
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71. I don't think there are any sudden moves we could pull off
that would wrest control from the corporatists overnight.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:57 PM
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74. I agree.
I know that just supporting the Democrats isn't working, and everything I can think of to do about it feels like I'm blowing smoke up my own ass.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:39 PM
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75. Find like-minded friends & organize.
Start taking over county boards, city councils, school boards, etc. just like the right did 30 years ago. I know it's long & slow & maybe TOO slow to save the biosphere, but it is action. When you start looking into it, you would be amazed at how much the county boards have to do with things like providing mental health services, deciding on putting money into roads or something else, etc.

In many ways, local gov't has more of an impact on your life than federal gov't. Anyway, doing this, you end up putting together a little power-group, and with enough of these, you can start throwing some weight around. You might salvage your local Democratic Party (most county parties are a lot more liberal than the politicians who purport to represent them) or you might be in a position to deliver a lot of votes to an 3rd-party candidate.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:29 PM
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32. K&R...This is the battle of our lifetimes.


:hi:



:kick:



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:43 PM
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33. And no party to fight with us.
They all keep saying we have to have "shared sacrifices". If I hear that effing phrase again I will scream loudly.

:hi:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:29 PM
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46. Yep....It looks like 2 chiefs of staff (pres & VP) that are solidly anti-SS
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:14 PM
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48. Agree --
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:16 AM
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72. It's such a perfect term to describe what's happening, though.
We sacrifice our meager resources and the rich share it among themselves.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 01:48 PM
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35. The Party of Softer Gentler Corporate Fascism

You just need to join the Military to be a citizen now.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:03 PM
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36. Well, now, really...
If all that young Americans can find to get mad about is some vast globalist conspiracy, authority isn't giving them enough to question.


This 'vast globalist conspiracy' that Reed dismisses so cavalierly is precisely what each and every one of us needs to acknowledge and address. Mr. Reed should read Ms. Klein's Shock Doctrine before he lets his arrogant alligator mouth get his hummingbird ass in a sling.

Furthermore, the globalist conspiracy--aka the Corporate Megalomaniacs--have worked for better than four decades to fine tune Uncle Miltie's sociopathic economics and inflict it on the hoi polloi in every conceivable venue: the Southern Cone, Bolivia, Poland, South Africa, Russia and a wide swath of southeast Asia. Can anyone name the 'shocks' that have rendered our nation ripe for disaster capitalism?

It's really just a matter of time before those of us who see and understand this 'vast globalist conspiracy' find a way to prevent history from repeating itself within our nation's borders. When we give Miltie's minions the heave-ho, co-conspirators like Reed will find out just how much 'authority' will be claimed by the brave 'young Americans' who reject disaster capitalism.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:18 PM
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39. Nice Post
The World Bank and their Cronies
helped convince democratic governments
to EAT THE BANKERS SHIT AND LIKE IT.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:20 PM
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50. DLC didn't notice capitalist/elites going global "to harvest slave labor" ... ????
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:43 PM
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42. I asked during Little Boot's reign if bringing us down
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 03:46 PM by newspeak
economically was intentional. For thirty years we have had mass deregulation against big business, especially Wall Street. For eight years Little Boots believed his greedy corporate friends could police themselves, including Wall Street. Little Boot's and the PNAC crowd get their dream of moving on the ME while allowing their best buddies made obscene profits on our dime and our lives, not even accounting for the misery that has been caused, especially in Iraq. They've been shoveling monies out of the treasury as fast as possible.

Most on DU knew the shite was going to hit the fan because of these actions, the greed, the corruption. Now we are asked to sacrifice, while those who have caused such damage, not just in this country, but countries all over the world, still get perks and mucho bonuses. Our seniors must make sacrifices, even though many cannot even afford the medication they need. Our workers must make sacrifices taking less money for their families and working longer hours, while others are laid off.

After fighting so hard against what the robber barons represented, it looks like they are back in a big way, and they still have enough stooges in this country who still believe in the free market fairy and trickle on, voodoo economics.

It seems we are always the ones to "pick up the tab" for any major fubars and thefts. Anyone wondering if we, as taxpayers, are still paying for the S&L theft? Or how much misery did Enron create, how many people, businesses and families did they destroy? And, of course, at the end, when nothing is left, why they can't help the people.

So, we need to sacrifice for the sins of the truly corrupt and greedy.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:59 PM
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43. Ah, but see,
therein lies the rub: we DON'T need to sacrifice for the sins of the truly corrupt and greedy. Via the internet and other means of global communication, more and more of the hoi polloi are becoming aware of this situation. More and more of us are getting our ducks in a row. More and more of us are getting ready to say no more. Our response is fomenting, even as I type this. I have every confidence we will prevail.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:08 PM
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47. The Democratic Party cannot survive the DLC-corporate wing ....
that's something we all have to understand --

Also re Biden, for more than a year now he's been calling for Israel to

attack Iran -- Biden says, "Israel would be justified in attacking Iran!"


????

Aren't we trying to end wars? -- We haven't even succeeded in getting out of

Afghanistan at this point and Obama is now saying 2012 on that while Biden is

saing 2014!! Who are these people?

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 10:30 PM
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55. display credible proof where , Biden says, "Israel would be justified in attacking Iran!"
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 10:30 PM by dionysus
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:05 AM
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63. hmm...
Our fellow Duer, defendandprotect recalls at least three times Biden made comments pushing for an attack by ISRAEL on Iran. Perhaps you can Google the question--that could certainly provide you with 'credible proof.'
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:58 PM
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78. Geez...
I guess you didn't really want 'credible proof' about Biden's utterances. I reckon it takes a wee bit of time to accept that our heroes have feet of clay.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 07:26 PM
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51. Too late to recommend. I wish I could. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 12:38 AM
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57. Another excellent thread, madflo. Too late to rec. KICK.
The picture says it all: a group of wealthy white 'movers and shakers' deciding the best way to get the money out of the pockets of American citizens on Social Security and into the pockets of the gamblers on Wall Street.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 12:55 AM
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59. Too late to rec, but thank you for this OP, sad though it is
to read, it's better not to be deluded that we have anything close to a chance of getting anything really progressive done under the current government. But the Wall St. crowd will be well-served.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 01:48 AM
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61. Another "too late to rec kick" and hearty thank you.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:25 AM
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64. ....
"Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."

and yet the people who said that obviously think they know better than everyone else...

Snort.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:05 AM
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66. But our corporations are free!
And that's all that really counts in a slave state.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:39 AM
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67. Kick and remember that Biden is the "liberal" voice in the room. That is how far things have slipped
The "liberal" influence is also rooted in right wing ideology.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 01:54 PM
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73. Little did we know
that this is the kind of change we would be getting when we voted for Obama.

k&r
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:38 PM
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81. Credit card confication of our homes - Biden
I'll never forgive that vote. Yeah, we have no opposition party to corporatism when Biden is the "liberal".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:49 AM
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:41 PM
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76. when did they cut social security?
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:47 PM
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77. kick nt
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 02:40 PM
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85. I know what they're really laughing at.
Bruce Reed only has two children who are both teenagers. They're laughing at the cyber-stalking sociopaths at another blog madfloridian posts at who invented a third Bruce Reed child. Gullible freaks. :rofl: :rofl:

http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2011/jan/14/cdas-bruce-reed-tapped-biden-chief-staff/
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/14/2016550/bidens-new-chief-of-staff-has.html
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