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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:28 PM
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occupy wall street reminds me of monty python
Edited on Mon Sep-26-11 06:35 PM by rdking647
come and see the violence inherent in the system... help help im being repressed...


i cant help it.. all the kvetching about "police brutality" by a group with no clear goals or coherent message sounds like the monty pyton scene in holy grail.....


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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:33 PM
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1. interesting -- this comment reminds me of P.J. O'Rourke
Edited on Mon Sep-26-11 06:33 PM by villager
And not in a good way.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:33 PM
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2. I kind of agree. The whole thing seems rather aimless and unfocused to me. nt
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:36 PM
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3. How many "Fuck these protestors" threads are you going to start?
eom
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:38 PM
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4. if you dont like it then feel free not to read it....
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:40 PM
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7. This post reminds me of my uncle drinking beer and watching tv in 1968.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:49 PM
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12. Hear, hear,
I was thinking the same thing myself.

"What do those dirty hippies want." The poster just updated it for the twenty first century.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:30 PM
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31. ROFLMAO
bravo sir, spot on funny.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:43 PM
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8. You know even if their protest is no good, which is debatable, the fact that you
are defending the brutal actions of the NYPD speaks volume. Are people only entitled to rights to freedom of speech if you agree with what they say? How anyone could defend the actions of the NYPD is beyond me, they have clearly shown themselves to be enemies of working people in this country, and your defense of them makes you just as bad.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:43 PM
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9. And this post reminds me of Dennis Miller's comedy as of late
Edited on Mon Sep-26-11 06:46 PM by ixion
as in: totally and completely lacking in anything remotely related to humor, wit or intelligence.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:47 PM
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11. don't forget "empathy and compassion..."
n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:47 PM
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10. I'm sure it must be very difficult for those who worship the status quo..
to understand the motives and aspirations of those who have been failed by the status quo.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:55 PM
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13. so whether or not we beat protesters is based on how much they stay on-message?
gee, I figured the amount of violence in the police's reaction to what people do should be based on the level of violence of those people's actions. Guess I was wrong. No specific demand, get out the batons, Tasers, and pepper spray and go to town!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:58 PM
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14. Boy, sure would hate to see what you'd post if they, y'know, failed to propertly use adverbs!
:eyes:
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:14 PM
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15. Uh-oh, typo. I think you meant "properly".
Grave mistake. That calls for live ammunition.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 09:17 PM
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35. Gah! Hoist by my own petard!
:silly:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:21 PM
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16. Your concern is noted.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:22 PM
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17. You REALLY can't stand these people protesting, huh
I keep wondering why it upset you so much to see young people speaking out for what they believe.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:28 PM
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18. This is not you first post putting down the protesters...why do you
keep posting this???I think it might be nice to stand with them...I just saw that the raging grannies have joint them...
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:28 PM
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19. How about your own 'kvetching'?
:eyes:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:46 PM
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20. Well, KO tried to get one of the organizers to realize they weren't very focused
And as expected, he just gave the usual...."Oh, no, hey man, it's all good" answer.

No fucking chance against the Koch Brothers and their well oiled machine when it comes to public demonstrations with leadership like that.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:15 PM
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27. You hit the nail. The protests were poorly thought out. Passion does not replace organization. nt
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:59 PM
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34. lets say Im a typical working joe
I see the protests on teh news.. I think hey I like that.. protesting the bankers.. Let me go to their website and find out a little more.
so the go to their website.. and what do they see.

a bunch of mumbo jumbo
they see this headline at occupywallst.org
The resistance continues at Liberty Square, with free pizza ;)

they see this line further down
This is the eighth communiqu from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street.

or this
We strolled around the plaza. We wrote songs with new friends. We argued about politics with each other, but not a politics of puppets: a politics for us. We fed the hungry and gave sleeping bags to the cold. We roughhoused. We talked to the world on our livestream. Most of all, we kept on organizing ourselves. Our library grew.



and working joe thinks what a bunch of stupid college kids and moves on... the protest fizzles and dies...

and you think with that kind of mess for a message your going to get any real mainstream support????

your fooling yourself


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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 07:57 PM
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21. Beautiful photographs,
ugly posts. :*
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:02 PM
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22. Well, Tony Baloney was certainly doing a Police Constable Pan Am shtick. n/t
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:05 PM
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23. 'no clear goals'? Where did you get that information from? It's
beginning to sound like a talking point. Probably disseminated by those who have a vested interest in keeping the people from doing anything to stop the money in politics in this country and the corruption on Wall St. that took down this country's economy, criminally.

But just so you don't keep repeating what are beginning to look like paid for talking points, inadvertently, the goals are very clear.

Two clear goals stated from the beginning which I had no problem hearing about, get money out of politics and return to a system that regulates the banks as it was for decades before they rescinded Glass Steagal.

Not to mention, I think everyone can take a wild guess at what their goals are, considering WHERE they are and WHAT they are calling the movement 'Occupy Wall Street'. What did YOU think they were there for?

And everything that emanates from that corrupt system such as wars for profit and corruption in the mortgage industry, restoring our rights taken away by these criminals, under false pretenses.

You are free to make suggestions to them, they are getting plenty of them and are operating under a system similar to the way the FFs set up this country.

But to say the goals are not clear, is just ridiculous.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:05 PM
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24. Are you SURE you
aren't in the wrong place?
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:27 PM
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29. why???
because I dont go fawning over ever so called liberal meme??????

Ill agree wall street needs to be reformed... but i also thing that "occupy wall street" is a joke.. an ineffective waste of time that will not only do no good but could actually hurt the idea of reforming wall street.





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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:10 PM
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26. Please click on this link
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:24 PM
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28. Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?
A bit more realistic British analogy than the Churchill threads I saw earlier.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:28 PM
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30. Well... You Live In The Jobs State !!!
God Bless Rick Perry, eh ???

If you're working for minimum wage, the rent's gotta be pretty low there, right?

:shrug:
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:51 PM
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32. so I live in Texa...
#1. Austin is about as far from the rest of texas politcally as you cab get
#2. Governor good hair (or pointy boots) is an idiot
#3 who says I even have a job?
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 09:23 PM
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36. "...help help im being repressed..."
....nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 09:45 PM
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37. Just had a look at your (apparent) Twitter feed
http://twitter.com/#!/rdking647

Do you think maybe you aren't exactly an unbiased observer here?
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 11:36 PM
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38. why because Im a former trader???
all that means is I know how the street actually works...and I hink wall street is dirty and corrupt. feel free to point out where I defend wall street...
all im doing is pointing out that occupy wall street is about as effective as yelling into the wind... Like Ive said before if you want to go after wall street you have to do it the right way... get someone to file criminal charges against a wall street firm... convict the firm of a criminal offense... that will kill the firm and send a warning to the others...
thats how you do it.unfocused generic "mobs" of people with no coherent message is useless
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 11:48 PM
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39. Give them time, they WILL do all of those things. You don't seem to
understand how this works. It is a movement, the protests are a small part of it. And in just one week it has grown way beyond what anyone expected. The reason for that is, that their premise for being their is understood across political lines.

If you mean what you say, then join them. Give them advice, they are asking for advice and would welcome it from someone who has the knowledge you have. Your ideas are good, so are theirs. But rather than criticize them without understanding what they are doing, help them.

They HAVE a coherent message. Thom Harmann understands their message, so does Amy Goodman, Keith Olbermann, the People of Spain, Britain, Michael Moore, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Jesse Jackson, the NYCFD, The Steelworkers' Union, the IWW, in just week they have attracted teh support of millions of people around the country and the world who DO hear their message and agree with it. I'm not sure why you don't understand why they are there. But if you are sincere in what you say, then help them.

They are planning concerts, eg, to make money for legal fees and food, and if suing a firm was the way to go, they have the backing of many lawyers right now, including the ACLU. Pretty good for a small number of people no one had heard about a week ago.

This is just the beginning. It is going to be a long, slow process. Everyone involved knows that. You seem to want instant results for something that took decades and billions of dollars to build up. So, you can either stand on the sidelines and criticize or get on board and help. Me, I plan to get on board. We've waiting for someone to do something for a decade now, and finally someone has taken the first step and I admire them for having the courage to do so.

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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 11:59 PM
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40. they have no coherent message.
they my have a good idea gut the organization/execution is poor until that changes I have no confidence that they are any more than a bunch of kids with nothing better to do.. If I thought they were a effective Id be glad to help them but right now i dont see the point.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 12:05 AM
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43. Speaking of incoherence...
Rick Perry's got nothing on you.
Lay off the keg.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 01:43 AM
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47. Wrong!
Edited on Tue Sep-27-11 01:46 AM by sabrina 1
Just the fact that you say 'they have no message' It isn't THEY, it is US. They threw out the ball that everyone has been waiting for. Now the rest is up to those of us who DO get it.

Amy Goodman, Keith Olbermann in a few words showed tonight that he gets it, Chris Hedges gets it, thousands of people who went to NYC for two weekends in a row get it, millions around the country get it, and now 27 other major cities get it enough to start their own occupations.

A majority of DUers get it, everyone I know in RL gets it, including Republicans, Independents and even people who don't vote. The people of Spain get it, the British get it, the Australians have sent their messages of support, the Unions get it. The NY City FD gets it, and even some of the Cops have said they get it.

But we KNOW that Wall St. gets it which is why they have ordered their puppets in Government to wall off the street they appear to think belongs to them. They definitely get it and they are afraid of it.

What I don't get is why YOU and a tiny minority, most of them on the very far right because even moderate Republicans have been to NYC, don't get it. It's pretty obvious to most people, including those it is aimed at.

This is a REAL PEOPLE'S movement. It is NOT a protest, it is a PROCESS. A week ago people like you were saying they would be long gone by this weekend. Wrong!

They are kids, they are young adults, they are middle-aged, they are elderly, they are white, African American, Hispanic, Indian. They are workers, nurses, teachers, doctors, construction workers, janitors, lawyers, students, unemployed, retirees. They are Americans, the 99% from whom most of the wealth of this country has been stolen.

This country is failing, the political system is broken, most of the people there know that nothing is going to be fixed by continuing to do what we have been doing. We gave the politicians a chance but not only have not fixed anything, they have refused to prosecute the criminals who brought this country to its knees. So, now finally, the people are waking up and realizing that in the end, it is up to them.

You can sit on the sidelines and throw rocks at those who are at least trying to do something and be part of the problem or you can join them and help them succeed. We've tried everything else, it is time for something new. And I don't see anyone else doing much, other than whine about corruption and no accountability, about stolen elections and the collapse of the economy, about the useless, cruel and failed wars we are fighting all over the globe, but I don't see anyone else getting out there and putting their bodies where their mouths are, until now.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 12:22 AM
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44. Pretty funny
"Like Ive said before if you want to go after wall street you have to do it the right way... get someone to file criminal charges against a wall street firm... convict the firm of a criminal offense... that will kill the firm and send a warning to the others..."

I've been an unwitting party to a few class action lawsuits against Wall Street firms. The biggest settlement that ever came out of any of those suits was a 10% coupon off on the next mutual fund purchase from the firm that had been sued.
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 08:24 AM
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49. those were civil lawsuits
criminal is a whole different game.. If a bank itself is convicted of a felony its done.. out of business.felons as a matter of course are barred from having a seat on the exchange

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 12:01 AM
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42. +1
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 12:31 AM
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46. Joined after the 2008 election. Probably mad at that Uppity Negro for gettin elected.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 12:27 AM
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45. This is what, your third/fourth thread disparaging the Occupy Wall Street protests?
U Mad, Bro?
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 02:27 AM
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48. the OP reminds me of Mad Magazine's Alfred



"What, Me Worry?"









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