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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:18 PM
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Michael Moore: I went into the polls to vote for a black man and got a white man!
It was Bill Maher who originally said something like that. It wasn't funny then, and isn't funny now.

Uggh. His 15 minutes can't end fast enough! :puke: :eyes:


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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:20 PM
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1. They can't all be zingers.
Unrec.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:13 PM
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124. Moore actually did OK. Here's a link to the video:
The View: Michael Moore Talks Politics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Vc44rQ09k
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:20 PM
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2. Now Michael Moore is the enemy?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 12:23 PM by Marrah_G
:rofl:

Yeah his 15...errr 20...err 25....... years..... can't be up fast enough! :eyes:

You should make a list of all liberal and lefty public figures who have said something negative about Obama and/or one of his policies.

That way we know who to scream " STOP BEING MEAN TO OBAMA" at.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:35 PM
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34. No, but racial determinism is definitely the enemy of liberalism.
The implication of his statement is that any blacks who are liberal aren't making an informed choice, aren't even capable of making an informed choice, between competing political viewpoints. If you're black, you have to think and act a certain way, or you're no true Scotsman African American.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:58 PM
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120. Michael Moore is now the enemy, but Bob Shrum and Andrew Sullivan are heroes.
Holy rightward lurch, Batman!
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:39 PM
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131. Well, he IS a Liberal, and this IS DU afterall. Have you not been to GD:P lately or something? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:33 AM
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159. I wish I could rec your reply
The demand for Ombamadoration is only going to get worse as the election season engulfs us.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:20 PM
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3. His 15 minutes?
His 15 minutes have been happening since the 1980's. He's not going away.
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Hoosier Daddy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:45 PM
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81. My thought exactly
If the quote is accurate, he's just being dumb. That doesn't invalidate the good things he's done.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:20 PM
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4. Wow---the meaning went right over your head.
and you really think Mike just has 15 minutes?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:22 PM
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6. Please enlighten me on the meaning. And explain how it isn't offensive
to both blacks and whites, and especially to mixed race people?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM
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30. See post 13
now you explain the 15 minute comment.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:28 PM
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16. Yes, please explain it.
It appears to me that Moore is judging Obama on the color of his skin. How is that not racist?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM
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See post 13.
I think it's metaphorical as hell.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:34 PM
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31. its potentially offensive because it denigrates race as a style
Like that black basketball player "plays white".

I can see how the converse is offensive as well.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:09 PM
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90. More like 5 seconds.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:21 PM
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5. .....
Michael Moore under the bus now -- hey, we can give him ideas for his next documentary -- yay! :sarcasm:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:22 PM
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7. What does that even mean?
When was this he said that?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:27 PM
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13. I take it to mean that for everything African Americans have been through...
you'd think they'd have more empathy for the working class not Wall Street.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:37 PM
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40. Then, why didn't he say that?
You can't just make stuff up.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:40 PM
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44. Still racial determinism. For everything whites have been thru they should be pro-working class too
Sadly, many people of all stripes vote against their economic self interest--it's not just Warren Buffet and Alan Keyes.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:22 PM
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8. Michael Moore is a National treasure. EMBRACE HIM for all he has done for this country.. n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:28 PM
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17. He has told the truth in all his films
and it hurts.

I didn't really vote for a black man but hoped he at least acted like one.

I nominated this thread.
Yeah.... piss on that .... I understood what Moore said

It was a meme.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:29 PM
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19. How does a black man act? nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM
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27. Someone that knows about Civil Rights and political economic injustices
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM by Ichingcarpenter
And Walks the walks

Or Herman Cain
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:42 PM
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45. It's just sloppy using race as a shorthand for "ability to use reasoning skills"
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:44 PM
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48. I don't think most understand what he meant
in a short meme
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:36 PM
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:13 PM
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139. "I didn't really vote for a black man but hoped he at least acted like one."
Can you explain what that's even SUPPOSED to mean?
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:51 PM
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83. thank you! that's my
thought/feelings as well.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:23 PM
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9. He gave us Nader in Florida and threw us all under the BUS!
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:25 PM
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11. Bullshit...Nader gave us Nader....
I don't begrudge anyone who voted for Nader.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:47 PM
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56. I do....they gave us Bush....just a fact...deal with it..
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:29 PM
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95. anybody who believes that is not dealing with reality..
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 02:30 PM by frylock
go ahead and overlook the supreme court, hanging chads, electoral fraud, and 200,000+ registered DEMOCRATS in FL that actually pulled the lever for bush. instead choose to denigrate voters for excerising their constituuional fucking rights if it helps you to sleep better at night.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:47 PM
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102. Nader split the Dem vote to the Green party and made all the
difference. Why do you think he is so hated. He pushed the nonesense that Dems are no better than Repubs and Moore supported him.....this is the fact...(Nader...Green Party...Moore....and Bush). Deal with the truth.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:02 PM
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109. he's hated because ignorance abounds..
why do you think you can dictate the way people choose to vote? you don't hate the democratic process, do you?

i can't help but notice that you failed to address a single point from my previous post, opting instead to continue with your two-minutes hate.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #109
116. now you are just being silly
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #116
127. and you have yet to post anything that would prove me to be mistaken..
add a little substance, n00b.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:30 AM
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153. Listen....I can't help you. It's like arguing with a member of the Tea Party
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:25 AM
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156. you haven't argued shit..
you post one line zingers and split. fuck you and your tea party reference. get back to me when have a fact or two to back up your garbage, n00b.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:09 PM
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67. I begrudge EVERYONE who voted for Nader n/t
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:15 PM
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140. Amen to that. It was the freaking SCOTUS.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:31 PM
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25. On the view, he said he probably won't vote for Obama in 2012
He's doing it again, yet everyone here thinks he's our friend?? Will they still think he's a friend when we have President Perry, or will all be forgiven when he makes a cute little movie showing how Perry is destroying the country (with no mention of the fact that he helped Perry win)?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:36 PM
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37. You have to forgive us
There are a bunch of progressives here (not nearly so many as there used to be, apparently). While I don't agree with Moore's comment, a LOT of progressive Dems feel very disenfranchised.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:36 PM
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39. in a sense, MM is my friend
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 01:00 PM by G_j
he has fought for me a lot harder than Obama..
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:47 PM
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55. he did? I didn't see that quote n/t
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:52 PM
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84. that's not what he said
He said that he didn't know who he was going to vote for yet.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 03:44 AM
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149. He did not say that.
He said he didn't know who he was going to vote for yet. And then one of the hosts said "Come on, you're not going to vote for the Republican!" and Moore replied that "No, I'm not going to vote for a Republican." He did not say that he probably would not vote for the President.

Unless you're calling Obama a Republican.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:32 PM
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26. Gore won the 2000 election, what are you talking about?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:36 PM
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38. Gore won and Iraqi civilians lost
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:44 PM
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50. Moore split the Dem vote in Florida....thus Bush....deal with it.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:05 PM
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135. Michael Moore had that much influence over the Florida election? Amazing.

nt

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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:44 PM
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47. Moore supported Nader at first and helped Nader split the Dem
vote in Florida which is why Florida was won by a hair thin margin or at least by enough to steal the election. It was not until after it was evident that Gore needed Florida that Moore asked his supporters to ignore his previous statements about Dem's and vote for Gore...

How can you not know this...you must be under 25 years old.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:31 PM
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97. did moore encourage those 200,000+ registered dems that voted for bush?
what vote did they split?
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #97
103. you are so ignorant of that time....how old are you?
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. Sounds to me like Frylock knows more than you
Besides, it's rather rude to just call someone ignorant out of the blue like that. The poster certainly didn't post anything that isn't demonstrably correct so on what basis would you make such an accusation anyway? If you have an argument to make, MAKE IT, don't make it personal.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. i'm 45 years old..
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 04:04 PM by frylock
why don't you break it down for me, professor. tell me exactly where i'm wrong. your replies thus far have been devoid of any content whatsoever. i do look forward to your schooling.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #110
117. I would have to teach you basic political history about
the 2000 election...and I forgot what we where arguing about.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #117
123. i've got all day and an open mind..
just to warn you in advance, i come from the Greg Palast school of Election Fraud 2000, so i would be mightily impressed if you could, as you humbly put it, "teach (me) basic political history about the 2000 election." i have to admit that i don't have much confidence in you, considering your posts betray your "knowledge" of what actually went down. quite frankly, i'm leaning towards you knowing fuckall.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #123
152. Nader made it close enough for the fraud to occur
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #152
158. nader exercised his constutional right to run as president..
i'm sorry your party can't put up a better candidate. it is nice to see you finally come around and admit that nader didn't cost gore the election. that's an improvement.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #47
100. The SC decided the Florida election results.
How can YOU not know this?
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #100
104. It only got to the SC because Nader and the Green Party split
the Dem vote...this is factual hitory. It is why Nader is hated by Dems....Pull your head out.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #104
108. Nader is not hated by Dems, he is hated by a small
minority who cover for the Republicans' crime of treason in 2000, by diverting attention away from the actual crime, and pointing fingers at what was a perfectly legal, democratic excercise in an attempt to redirect the anger that should have swept the country as a result of that stolen election, in a completely different and totally irrelevant direction.

The election would have been stolen no matter what. It was planned and the SC decision was only part of the many other illegal activities that contributed to the crime.

What you are doing is perfectly ludicrous. It is the equivalent of, in the aftermath of a huge bank heist, blaming innocent and perfectly legal depositors for putting money in the bank before the Big Heist, therefore helping the robbers get MORE than they should have. Thereby placing the focus on something completely irrelevant to the Heist itself.

This garbage has contributed hugely, and is used by rightwingers also with a vested interest in not addressing the treason committed by their party, to undermining the efforts of people actually interested in educating the public about that crime, which was pre-meditated and which nothing was going to stop.

Nader and anyone else who wants to, can legally run for office in this country. He did nothing wrong, but thanks for ignoring what Vincent Bugliosi proved was actual treason in his book 'None Dare Call it Treason'. The felons on the SC thank those who consistently attempt to redirect attention away from the massive crime they committed against the US Constitution and the American people.

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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #108
121. I can't help you if you're not willing to learn. Nader is roundly despised
by all Democrat's for splitting the vote in Florida with the Green Party (he was the Green Party candidate). Because he made the false equivalency argument about Dem's and Repubs and pulled 97k votes from Gore we lost.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #121
125. and you have the data to back up your assertion that nader is roundly despised by ALL dems..
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 05:15 PM by frylock
because this looks like another nugget pulled from the vast wastelands of your ass. but if you have the data to back it up, i'd be more than willing to issue an apology.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #125
150. I like the vast wasteland of your ass....can I use it...
I dare you to go to a Dem meeting and talk up Nader.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #150
157. you keep talking, but you never say shit..
blah blah blah democratic meeting.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #121
147. Repeating talking points over and over doesn't make them true.
I can't help it if you don't know your history. Or if you think that most Democrats hate Nader, quite the contrary. He's highly respected on the left, except for, as I said, a small disgruntled minority who will never accept the fact that when a candidate loses, it's either because of foul play, or he did not inspire the voters. In Gore/Bush it was a combination of the two.

Over 300,000 Democrats voted for Bush, proving my point above, far more than for Nader. Who do you blame for that? Maybe the party should not have chosen Lieberman as VP.

And most of those Nader voters would not have voted for Gore anyhow.

But despite all of that, Gore won.

Then the Republican criminals on the SC stole the election for Bush.

That's all there is to know about it. The only crime committed that day was committed by the SC, a day of infamy in this country's history.

The rest was all legal. The Dems who voted for Bush. Nader running for office. All of that was legal so there is no point in carrying on about it unless you don't believe in Democracy.

Gore won and the SC stole it, period.

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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #147
151. I don't know what you think is a talking point on my part.
If not for Nader....there never would have been a Bush.....
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #151
168. That's the talking point.
A talking point is something that is repeated over and over again regardless of it having no basis in fact.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
32. No he didn't. Moore asked Nader to throw his support to Gore and ask his supporters to do the same.
Nader refused that request.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. ^^^^ +!+!+! ^^^^
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #43
165. What the hell is that emoticon? Three caddies removing flags from golf holes in the mountains?
Sorry, but that's the most confusing emoticon ever. Learn to type in English or go back to Emotoland where your kind comes from.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #32
53. Only after he knew his support was needed to avoid a Bush win
He spent the entire election supporting Nader and playing the Dem's and Repubs are the same game. He was a Green Party super star....this is a fact....deal with it.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:34 PM
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115. What an idiotic statement.
I seriously got dumber reading it.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:40 AM
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161. 
quoted from Stan Goff and all too true.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:25 PM
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10. well...
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 12:26 PM by dennis4868
the 1950s and 60s had Martin Luther King and we have Michael Moore...enough said :-(

And by the way, Obama who is fighting hard now still does not and will not have the votes to pass his jobs bill...even dems in congress are not backing him...LIKE I HAVE BEEN SAYING, THE PROBLEM IS NOT OBAMA (never was) BUT IT'S THE DEMS IN CONGRESS.....but DUers and PL let them off the hook time after time.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:35 PM
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33. There is a reason why some Dems are not supporting his jobs
bill. But, hey, it's never Obama's fault to some people. When you all stop enabling bad policies, maybe we'll have a chance of keeping the WH and getting a majority, but this garbage that it is everyone else's fault, simply makes the Party look like whining, spoiled babies.
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:45 PM
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52. What part of the jobs bill is "bad policy"
And when have any Dems in this Congress proposed anything better?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:19 PM
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112. Lots of Dems have made better proposals,
but they have all been ignored. Bad policy is putting Medicare on the table in return for tax cuts for billionaires.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:23 PM
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113. You haven't been paying attention, many Dems have made
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 04:25 PM by sabrina 1
excellent proposals but have been completely ignored. Which your comment, ironically, proves. Seems you are unaware of any proposals other than this one.

And it's extremely bad policy to use Medicare as a bargaining chip with Republicans. I thought most Democrats agreed on that.

"He will veto any bill that takes one dime from the Medicare benefits seniors rely on without asking the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to pay their fair share,"


That's a statement from WH rep. He should have stopped before he got to the 'without asking the wealthiest Americans'. One has nothing to do with the other.

This idea of using the Social Safety net programs as bargaining chips is a hugely bad policy, but has become a hallmark of this President's negotiating policies.
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adhd_what_huh Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:49 PM
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58. Give me one good reason to not support his jobs bill...just one.
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:44 PM
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49. So true...
Where is the rest of the Democratic Party?? Why aren't they stepping up and supporting him?? Why is he doing this all on his own?? People love to complain that he doesn't want to lead...but how can they say that when he's literally the only Democratic proposing trying to get anything done?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:26 PM
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12. what are you referring to? n/t
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:27 PM
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14. It's funny how the 1 drop rule is still in play
Last I checked the POTUS was bi-racial.
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:26 PM
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114. I was thinking the same thing also - he's half white
crazy stuff here.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:27 PM
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15. No, it isn't funny.
Too bad Moore didn't go to the polls to vote for the man who would be president.

Who knew MM was racist.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:51 PM
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118. There are many racist
progressives. Being progressive doesn't innoculate one from the disease.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:29 PM
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:30 PM
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20. I agree, and it also has unecessary sterotypes as though if you are a certain ethnic background, you
shoud "behave" a certain way
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:10 PM
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91. Exactly.
Truly disgusting.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:18 PM
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141. There are people posting in this thread who apparently hold those stereotypes near and dear
And I'm sure they are the same DUers who can't pat themselves on the back hard enough with how "smart" "wordly" and "informed" they are.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:30 PM
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21. Do you have a link to indicate the accuracy of the quote?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM
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28. Accuracy and context would help
but there is no quote used because accuracy and context would not suit the agenda of personal destruction.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM
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29. I call for a link also.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:30 PM
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22. He wanted Herman Cain or Allen West, perhaps?
See, this is what is wrong with categorizing people's politics or ideologies or talents or skills or ANYTHING according to race. It was a stupid, bad thing to say. As bad as insinuating that all Muslims are terrorists, etc.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:31 PM
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23. I'm a big fan of MM
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 12:33 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
but I'm not sure about this comment. :crazy: How does Obama act "white"? How is he supposed to act "black"? Obama is supposed to represent everybody in this country as POTUS. :shrug:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:31 PM
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24. I don't know what it is, but Americans just can't talk about race w/o saying stupid shit.
I generally like Michael Moore. Even when I don't agree with him, I'm glad there's somebody raising the points he's raising. But the topic of race seems to have a mind-boggling effect on Americans of all philosophies. Often, (but not always) it's simply an excuse to quit thinking.

Of course when actual racists deny housing, deny bank loans, or deny jobs to people, or inculcate a belief in different values & abilities based on race, the topic needs to be discussed and the injustice rectified. The value and the rights of the individual should come first in a liberal democracy. When Moore equates conservative policies with whiteness and liberality with blackness, he slurs the free will and the thought processes of everyone.

It's sloppy thinking from a guy who should know better. It's inherently illiberal.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:36 PM
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36. I kinda thought Martin Luther King addressed these types of statements very well.
Wasn't there something about "judging people by their character and not the color of their skin"? Just wondering if and what characteristics Mr. Moore attributes to skin color?
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:38 PM
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41. Apparently, he was quoting Bill Maher.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 12:49 PM by polly7
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:21 PM
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142. Thanks for the link. That does add a bit of context to the situation.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:39 PM
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42. Im sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this alleged remark. MM is not a racist.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:20 PM
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71. Look for footage of him on ABC's "The View" -- Moore did a rather good job
I couldn't find a transcript in a quick search but video's available
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:43 PM
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46. Please post a link to the context.
These kinds of OPs with nothing but a sentence and the OP's take on something, are meaningless.

Unrec'd for lack of context.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:45 PM
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51. Here's some info
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:03 PM
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64. Thanks, so he was quoting Bill Maher.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 01:04 PM by sabrina 1
I will look at the actual context when I get back from work later.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:11 PM
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137. Wow! A friend just turned me on to that blog! LOVE IT!
And she is right- Moore should apologize.
It was an outrageous thing to say and I would hope
he realizes how offensive it was.

BHN
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:46 PM
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54. Where is a link? Or at least why not tell us where you 'heard this'?
So that others can research what you claim? Why is it that when asked repeatedly for context and an actual quote, you fail to respond? Why? And again, why?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:56 PM
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59. I found something
though it should be the responsibility of the OP.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/limbaugh-michael-mo...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:00 PM
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62. I found it too, but I am still asking the OP why he failed to
provide a link and the accurate context for this story. The answer to the question 'why' is important, and the OP should tell us why.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:02 PM
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63. agreed, and it is strange that
they have responded to numerous other comments on the thread.. :shrug:
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:07 PM
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66. It was Maher's quote; he repeated it on The View.
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:48 PM
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57. As a black woman who has been accused of "acting white"
I totally reject the idea that Obama is acting like a "white man." Barack Obama is being Barack Obama.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 12:59 PM
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60. So he is quoting Bill Maher as part of a long response to a tacky
question from Joy Behar about 'the angry black man image'. You should have said so and to not do so is dishonest.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:20 PM
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72. +
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:25 PM
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73. How does that matter?
It still appears to judge based on race. The blabbermouths never let him finish his explanation, but I don't see how it would have changed anything.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:36 PM
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74. He explained the metaphor in his blog
What more don't you understand?
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:39 PM
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75. Got a link?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 01:46 PM by pintobean
Edit to ad:

It's funny that your only post in this thread is calling me out for not understanding something that hasn't been quoted or linked to. Do you think everyone reads his blog?
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:43 PM
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77. here
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:01 PM
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86. Check out post 41
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

That's where I read it.

As to my only post being in response to you--you were one most dismissing him, and, in my opinion smart enough to get the metaphor but ignored the links people gave.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:20 PM
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92. I didn't ignore anything.
I didn't see it. I did watch the View video. I do think Moore and Maher were fools for even saying such a thing. I still think it's a racist statement, metaphor or not. I don't think Moore is a racist. Maher? I don't know - he's too much of a jerk for me to pay any attention to.

And, yes, the OP mangled the quote.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:44 PM
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79. Listen, what this OP is doing is exactly what the did to Jim Webb
with his book. Lift a few words out of context and hang them on the wall solo, then call them horrible. I defended Webb as well, and I hate his guts. Think this through for a moment, 'how does it matter?' Ok. The President wrote books in which he writes dialog for other people, quotes and best memory recollections. The President also recorded those books in his own voice. This means is it possible to play an audio of the President saying all sorts of shite, and one can say 'that's right out of his book'. Does it matter that the President, in his book, is quoting someone else, or does it just matter that he wrote and spoke those words?
Let me offer you a Snopes page that addresses right wingers doing exactly that to the President's books, take a look at them, and tell me if the context matters. All of these tactics are two way streets. Any cheap trick done to another can be just as cheaply done to yourself, this is why cheap tricks are for cheap dicks.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/coilofrage.asp
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:25 PM
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93. Hey I'd really love to hear your response to the link I posted
I note that you asked 'how does it matter' and when I showed you exactly how and why it does, you became silent. I thought maybe you'd actually read that and discuss the issue, but no.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:30 PM
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96. Maybe
if you didn't begin with 'listen' or 'hey'. Right from the first word, I don't give a shit what you have to say.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:00 PM
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61. Link please. DU is the only place I can find that "quote"
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:43 PM
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78. here
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:07 PM
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65. "his 15 minutes"....what (another) stupid thing you are saying
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:09 PM
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68. Why am I less & less surprised by my fair haired Democratic brothers?
I guess racist stereotypes are no longer the sole provence of the GOP? WoW! :thumbsdown:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:10 PM
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69. If only DUers were as determined to find the accuracy of an anti-Obama comment
as they are about finding anti-Moore comments... SMH
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:40 PM
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76. People are just so mean to President Obama :(
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:47 PM
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82. If only folks would not use right wing tactics.
Here is the right doing to Obama what you do to Moore.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/coilofrage.asp

You left out the context and the fact that he was quoting Maher intentionally. And when asked why, you do not answer. Read that link. And think about it.
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sfpcjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:16 PM
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70. If he, in fact, said that it was Not a joke as asserted.

Duh!

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:45 PM
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80. Ugh.
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 01:57 PM
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85. We need to ostracize everyone like this for the next 14 months.
After the election, the love for them can resume.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:04 PM
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87. So, Obama's black on the outside, and white on the inside?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 02:05 PM by MilesColtrane
Jesus, Mike...

I guess I'll give you partial credit for at least not using the word "Oreo".

You should apologize immediately.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:05 PM
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88. Not to mentikon you got a pandering professional centrist pol.
Which is just as distasteful white or black.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:07 PM
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89. Racist twaddle.
I am actually surprised he said something like this. Perhaps he was having an "inarticulate" day.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:26 PM
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94. Read this link.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:35 PM
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101. So, he was "translating" a joke.
Hope he learned his lesson. Racist shit like this will be used against him over and over.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:33 PM
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98. so this cancels out his documentaries on outsourcing, health care, Wall St, guns, & Bush crimes?
Which conservative Democrat has done as much on those issues?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 11:04 AM
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163. Yep! It negates every good thing the man has ever done for the Progressives/ Liberals /Democrats.
It's the DU hate-of-the-day. The list just keep on growing. :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:33 PM
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:55 PM
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105. his 15 minutes?
Not even close!
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 02:58 PM
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106. This is offensive to black Americans on so many levels. MM should know better,
but I see he's been hanging out with Maher a lot.

Just goes to show, there is racism among so-called liberal whites, just as there is racism on the conservative side. It's outrageous!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:15 PM
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111. MM likes the sound of his own voice.
Believe me, I've been to enough events where he spoke. At times his mouth ran while his brain dis-engaged. Sad to see.

Julie
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 04:55 PM
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119. MM is a useless polemicist, a mirror reverse image of the tea party in sooo many ways..
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:11 PM
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138. ........




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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:18 PM
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145. um.....WHAT?!
:spray:

The only thing he has in common with tea baggers is his outwardly frumpy appearance.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:04 PM
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122. Whoops, there he goes, under the bus
Dare to criticize the president, even if that criticism is valid, and under the bus you go.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:02 PM
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134. Not sure that accusing the President of not being black/acting white is a valid criticism.
Moore would have been better to say what he meant directly rather than try to use Obama's race against him. Tried to be clever, didn't work out.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 05:17 PM
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126. So we hate moore now? I lose track!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:04 PM
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:25 PM
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129. Now Obama's getting the "not black enough" shit from Michael Moore?
:wtf:
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:33 PM
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130. Really Michael?
Race didn't enter into my decision to vote for Obama.

The fact that's he's black didn't even hit me till the night he won the election. Then it was a rather emotional moment for me because I realized how far we had come as a nation. I'm 54 years old and remember the civil rights movement of the sixties.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:54 PM
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132. Under the bus with MM, soon no one will dare say a word
but that's the times we're living in.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 06:59 PM
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133. Because he knows so much about being black
Obama has to deal with most of the racism on the political right, but as we have seen, some racism does indeed come from the left.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:08 PM
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136. I just watched that View segment......Your post is completely devoid of context.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 07:08 PM by marmar
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nomb Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:01 PM
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144. There's an in-context way to remind black men of their place? That's news to me.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 08:02 PM by nomb
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 07:30 PM
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143. I agree
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 07:34 PM by loyalsister
There's outright aggressive racism and there's implicit unintentional racist attitudes built on stereotypes and assumptions that are not malicious or hateful, but still have gone unchallenged.

From Obama's 2004 DNC speech...
"Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone cant teach our kids to learn they know that parents have to teach, that children cant achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white."
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 08:20 PM
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146. I love Michael Moore, but that's a stupid, racist thing to say.
Hope he comes to realize that.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:34 AM
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160. "Racist"
You realize you just cheapened that word a little bit more, don't you?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:57 AM
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162. How so?
It seems to me that calling a black person "white" is racism. I think the term that used to be tossed about was "oreo". It's racism, and sometimes internalized racism.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:48 PM
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164. Obama is bi-racial. He is half white.
It's not about calling "a black person 'white'". In a parallel universe, Barack Obama is a white person that people are calling black.

And anyway, you might want to see for yourself what Michael Moore actually said, and the context in which he said it.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 06:07 PM
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166. Look at what is meant by "racist"
Edited on Tue Sep-20-11 06:17 PM by Stinky The Clown
It has a meaning. When you use it to mean something less than its full meaning, you make the word meaningless by that amount.

If Michael Moore is a racist, what is a Ku Klux Klan member?









edit to change "work" to "word"
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 07:22 PM
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167. You misunderstand, and I disagree with you.
I didn't say Michael Moore was racist - I said 'it was a racist thing to say'. There's a difference. I don't think Michael Moore is racist, but that doesn't mean he isn't incapable of uttering racially insensitive things. Anyway, I watched the video and it wasn't quite what the OP suggested.

However, Michael Moore aside, ascribing specific behavior to a race is racist, imo. Saying that you voted for the 'black half' of Obama is a racist statement. Saying someone is 'acting white' is racist. And it's all very disrespectful to individuals.
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:43 AM
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148. Shouldn't people be judged by the content of their character and not by
the color of their skin? :shrug:
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:33 AM
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154. For the record, MM was HEAPING praise on Obama for yesterday morning's speech,
when interviewed by Rachel on last evening's show.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:38 AM
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155. also on Colbert
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