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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:38 PM
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So.... Qaddafi has been ousted .... without a single US casualty

I expect all the Republicans (and some Democrats) that bitched and moaned about Obama's policy toward Libya to come forth and apologize and admit they were wrong.

Obama handled it perfectly. Use our air power to protect the rebels... avoid using *ANY* US ground troops... hand things over to NATO... and allow the rebels the breathing room to move in and take over.

Yet another Obama plan executed to perfection.

One less tyrant in the world. One more group of people now setting their own destiny.



I won't hold my breath waiting for all the "pundits" to recalibrate their comments concerning Obama and Libya.



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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:39 PM
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1. No, they'll say he was "weak" and "indecisive".
Go to the bank on that one.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:40 PM
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3. "Leading from behind" is the derisive phrase they will use.


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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:59 PM
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14. That phrase makes my skin crawl whenever I hear a right-winger use it
But I'd rather have a leader take the time, particularly in a non-emergency situation, to think and plan everything out and succeed in the long-term.

If that's "leading from behind," than I'll take it!
:toast:
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:33 AM
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45. Too late. McCain is already saying that.
According to McCain, we should have bombed the fuck out of Libya.
At least we would have killed more brown people and sold more bombs.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:50 AM
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47. That figures!
"Bomb, bomb, bomb --bomb Lib-y-a!" ...Piece of war mongering crapola.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:55 PM
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12. They can say what they want to say. That won't make it true. nt
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:01 AM
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49. They've already started. Last nite on Fux News the only guests
to comment on the revolution (the entire 60 minutes of the show) were 'Yosemite Sam' Bolton and Reagan hack K.T. McFarland (sp?). The gist of their 'expertise'? Well, it's great the revolution succeeded but now it will fall apart because of wrangling among the different rebel factions. Expect a 'failed state' something on the order of Somalia. Obama never has a chance to have any good news get out in the Mainstream Press, much less Fux.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:40 PM
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2. But he will be replaced by a moooslummmm
all part of Obama's Kenyan Socialist Islamic plan.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:41 PM
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4. Shhhhhhhhhhh. Don't jinx it.
LOL

:hi:

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AngkorWot Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:41 PM
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5. This is just the sort of reason they gave him the Nobel Prize in the first place.
The Obama doctrine.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:03 AM
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:21 AM
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54. yes, he's eviler than saddam, maybe even meaner and eviler than hitler!
:eyes:
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:33 AM
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58. I guess when you have one tool in the drawer you've got to use it, but
your "take normal statement, stretch to absurdity, insert stupid smiley face" formula for posting certainly leaves a good deal to be desired.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:42 PM
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6. cheney/bush tyrant overthrow = thousands US troops & 1 trillion +
still counting.

Obama tyrant overthrow = zero US troops & zero tax-dough (when the NTC will pay back all 'advances').

What's the diff? :sarcasm:

;)
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:44 PM
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7. I am still a non-interventionist, but he handled this with perfection. nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:45 PM
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8. They'll repeat "lead from behind" ad nauseum without explaining how not turning this into a US
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 07:48 PM by Pirate Smile
campaign against Qaddafi was ACTUALLY smart strategically because whenever we do that we make it easier for the Dictators to survive by rallying people against a foreign invader, etc.


Sometimes the best domestic political move is NOT the best strategic move for foreign policy success but don't ever tell that to the US pundit class who view every foreign policy move through the prism of domestic electoral politics alone.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:52 PM
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9. K/R - A few tweets from the blogosphere
that bear this out:

http://theobamadiary.com/2011/08/21/libya-5/#comments

The detractors piss and moan, then silence when the President succeeds.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:54 PM
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10. NO IT IS
TOTALLY TO THE CREDIT OF THE LIBYAN PEOPLE DON'T YOU KNOW THAT!!!!1111

:sarcasm:

Yet every single person posting that you can bet was blaming Obama and calling it his "third war." You can bet your boots on it.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:47 PM
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20. Don't you mean "boots on the ground"?
:rofl:
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:51 AM
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24. I'm not sure how to read your sentence. It gets twisty in the middle.
If you're saying that anyone who claims that the majority of credit belongs to the Libyan people also complained about it being Obama's Third War, then you're dead wrong. He handled this policy well, the majority of credit goes to those who did the fighting, and I supported it from day 1 so long as it followed important parameters. It seemed as if those parameters were going to be broken for a while, but in the end he kept to his original outline. I'm proud of him, and of the rebels.

I still don't think he gets credit for the Arab Street. He's done some good things policy-wise in office, but he's betrayed a lot more than any of us should ever have reasonably expected. He's been quite good sometimes, and quite naive other times.

I have problems with both the blind haters and the blind supporters -- either way, you're still blind.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:55 PM
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11. Obama was exceptional with international relations
What happened? Did the corporatists forget to make him ruin international relations like finance and justice here?
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:58 PM
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13. Wow, "Mission Accomplished" banners already. Look for Safeways in suburban Tripoli
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:09 PM
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17. Fail
n/t
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:03 AM
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50. you mean
Utter Fail.

Sad ain't it. They say they don't hate, that's It's constructive criticism.
But look how they act if there's something positive.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:22 AM
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55. such a shame you feel sadness over a piece of shit dictator getting the boot.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:13 PM
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63. ...
:eyes:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:00 PM
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15. Obama's so-called (by some) 'third war' is coming to a glorious victorious end !!! :)
G'Obama !!!




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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:23 AM
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56. get it right buster, this is his 18th war!!!11!1
;)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:02 PM
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16. Can someone tell me what "ignored" said in post #13?

I'm sure it was interesting.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:43 PM
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19. Why don't you just take them off ignore long enough to read the post?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:04 PM
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21. Click printer friendly format on the top left of the page, and you
should be able to see all posts.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:51 AM
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38. *facepalm*
I'm embarrassed for you that you said that. Maybe there's still time to edit it away?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:59 AM
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41. No, it wasn't...nt
Sid
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:18 AM
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42. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of selecting 'ignore'? nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:14 PM
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18. There were different things to bitch about
The republicans first complained that Obama didn't do anything, then said he did too much. Democrats (rightfully) complained when 60 days went by without congress being consulted. But it was a tough balancing act for Obama. If he took on the war himself, then the US would install a new leader and the revolution wouldn't be legitimate. If he did nothing and let the Libyans be slaughtered it would be bad. Hopefully this ends well.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:04 PM
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22. We had ground troops there.
My nephew was most likely one of them last spring. We have troops there under NATO and special forces.
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dameocrat67 Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:08 PM
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23. no! since my opposition had nothing to do with winnability
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 11:10 PM by dameocrat67
or american casualties. i dont believe in wars of choice. I also dont believe there will be real democracy their now, or that our leaders are being truthful about there motives. Apparently they have admitted that the libyan people will pay for their socalled liberation with oil profits. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1787821

scroll down to the comments, particularly mine.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:08 AM
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25. Link about the $30 billion in frozen assets (that will be used in part)
to pay back all NATO countries' expenses for their help (without which, none of them rebels would probably be alive today)

"Libyas frozen U.S. assets, which total more than $30 billion"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4921316&mesg_id=4921429
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:21 AM
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26. lmao... u mean the plan the Europeans told Obama about?? nt
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:22 AM
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27. The fact that Obama is addressing the "issue" of "tyrants"
instead of focusing on US jobs and the US economy is one reason I'm not voting for him again.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:24 AM
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57. what he can't focus on more than one thing at a time?
:shrug:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:40 AM
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28. I agree with Pres. Obama's action on this one.
This is similar (only much more limited so far, and I hope it stays that way) to what we did in Bosnia and I agreed with that too. Not to have stood up with the Libyan people in this case would've been absurd.

Credit where credit's due - kudos to Pres. Obama and Sec. Clinton. :patriot:

And btw, kudos too to the DUers here who have kept the Libya threads going for all of us.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:25 AM
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29. k/r +1
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 02:29 AM
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30. Has USA tried to 'free' any countries which don't have oil?
Or other natural resources?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 03:01 AM
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31. Some would claim Haiti---Haiti was more of strategic importance though early on.
In any event...most nations that are in need of "freedom" have some sort of resource we need. The US is definitely a nation of "can't have enough"---with many citizens who think the world seems to have unlimited resources.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:58 AM
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48. I don't believe
the United States gets any oil from Lybia. Yes, they have oil, but we don't get it.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:06 AM
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32. "without a single US casualty"
I cannot possibly express how much I despise that phrase. Are "US" casualties somehow different than other casualties? Why the qualifier?

I am a member of the human race first, and a US citizen something less than that. YMMV.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:10 AM
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33. Then I take it you sided with the rebels?
:shrug:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:47 AM
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34. He was in power almost 42 years, ever since September 1st, 1969.
Man, that's a long time.

I hope they don't agree to let him live in exile somewhere else.
I'd rather see him go to trial in The Hague.
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:05 AM
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35. Media Matters: Right Wing's Libya Kitchen-Sink Attack
http://mediamatters.org/research/201103220035

Obama Is "Feeble" And "Dithering"

Now, If I Were President ...

But Obama Is Just Doing It Wrong

It's Too Late Anyway

And Obama Did It For The Wrong Reasons

He Doesn't Really Mean It

Plus, Hillary's "Over The Edge" With Impatience

And Obama Collaborated Too Much With Other Countries

But Not Enough Other Countries

Isn't This Going To Be Expensive?

Besides, We Already Have Other Wars Going On

And We Don't Even Know If We Can Trust Obama

If Nothing Else Sticks, Let's Just Call It "Obama's Iraq"
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:14 AM
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36. That's what's important, of course. Fuck casualties among the furriners n/t
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:46 AM
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37. it's far from over...
It won't be over till we leave completely

I hope he doesn't decide to stick around
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:53 AM
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39. K & R
:thumbsup:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 06:55 AM
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40. What about the Grandmothers who will die from their benefits being cut?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:34 AM
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46. A. this war was NOT costly... B. Obama hasn't cut any benefits

The Libyan operation was less than $1 billion.

That's 1/600th of the DOD budget.

Not costly at all.



And please post a link to any legislation that Obama has signed that has cut Social Security. Thanks.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:30 AM
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43. "....without a single US casualty..." I hadn't realized this was ABOUT US AND NOT THE LIBYANS.
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 07:30 AM by WinkyDink
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:33 AM
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44. It is proof that Obama's policy was the right one for America.... get rid of a tyrant without
expending U.S. blood and hardly any money.


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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:12 AM
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53. Gadhafi will be replaced with another tyrant and we'll be back in in 10-15 years.

Thats just the way the "client state" system works.

The Reaganites were cheering for the way St. Ronnie handled Afghanistan too... arming and training the rebels, no US casualties on the ground. A fat lot of good that shite did.

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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 08:56 AM
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51. Guess who is most excited about this:
the poor
homeless veterans
the elderly
those who can't obtain healthcare
the jobless

hmmmmm..... maybe not.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:14 AM
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59. One thing I can give Obama credit for is the magical way he
turns liberals into warmongers.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:32 AM
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60. K&R
FDL can suck it

yup
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:36 AM
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61. Meh. Sorry if i am not into the war cheerleading.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:47 PM
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62. Khaddafi was a terrorist, exporting terrorism from Libya, yet Bush took him off the list.
Do you know why?
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