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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:24 PM
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What is the best argument you can make for Barack Obama?
That he seems incapable of making for himself?

"He's not a Republican" is not a strong enough argument to win the next election.

Perhaps you might say that he saved us from another Great Depression? At least, so far, if the Republicans don't screw it up even more?

Perhaps you might argue that his stimulus program, although too small, kept unemployment from going to 12% or 13%?

Perhaps you might say that he put country over Party and saved this country from unknown hardships?

Perhaps you might argue that history will judge him as one of our greatest Presidents?

Let's try to focus on the positive. Give us the big picture.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:25 PM
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1. He gives nice speeches.
Sorry, I tried.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:27 PM
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4. +1 That's about the best I can do n/t
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:42 PM
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20. Once upon a time....now they seem phony. I will never believe him again. n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:07 PM
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101. He can offer us this 'n that.




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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:52 PM
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103. And that's
Only with a tele prompter! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:25 PM
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2. He is capable.
I believe that Barack Obama is capable of doing that which he puts his mind to.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:28 PM
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:29 PM
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8. that would be "our" first....etc....
moran.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 07:17 PM
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:28 PM
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6. I'll sign on to this statement.
Iffen H2O Man doesn't mind me hitching.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:32 PM
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13. Glad to
be on this together, my Friend.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:33 AM
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64. I'm not convinced of that statement. I believe he has good intentions, but has no capability to
put his plans into action. He can tell you the destination is California, but is incapable of putting together a route to get there.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:49 PM
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78. Yeah.
I recognize that other people will look at the exact same "evidence" as I, and see it very differently. More, I am in part in agreement with the view you have.

Thanks!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 07:23 AM
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107. no, it is more of a people thing
Say we are in Kansas City, a group of 100 people. 90% of the group wants to goto California. Obama gets elected to represent that group, promising that "yes we can" "change" our destination from Alabama to California. But then Boehner stamps his feet and insists the group should goto Alabama like 5% want. Obama seems unwilling or unable to fight for the 90%. Instead, he starts working out a "compromise". We will go to Tremont, Mississippi (a little nothing village which happens to be 3 miles from the Alabama border.) Then Obama starts fighting for his "compromise" attacking all the "fringe radicals" who refuse to compromise and still think we should at least try to get to California. But since Boehner would never vote for it, Obama insists that we should not even try, and that we should pragmatically accept Tremont, Mississippi as "the best we can get". After all, compromise is the mature thing to do, and Obama has to be President of everybody and not just of the people who believe his promises and wanted him to try to accomplish those things.

But in his eyes, it's all good, because he's gonna be re-elected. I remember when Rachel Maddow interviewed him, and she said something like "you are not attacking the Republican Party" and Obama just smiled and said "but I am winning". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ec4zbcitno

It doesn't seem to matter to him if he accomplishes anything progressive in his first term, as long as he wins a 2nd term.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:27 PM
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3. He has a powerful drive to work well with others...
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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:51 AM
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100. He has a powerful drive to the rim!...
he's weak beyond on perimeter though...and he has a tendency to lift his head when using his woods.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:28 PM
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7. That he annoys the shit out of the purists,
the people who want him to go down in flames rather than actually legislate and

those who still fight the primaries from 2008.

As usual, YMMV.

Flame on.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:46 PM
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23. No flames here and I am a "purist", just one grounded in the actual process. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:06 AM
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51. I'm a purist and I supported him in the primary against Hillary -
and I purely wish he was the same man who campaigned and reached out to the left.

Oh. I'm sorry. He IS that person. He simply LIED to the left.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 01:01 AM
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55. It's the Obama supporters still fighting 2008. Anyone that disagrees with him are called PUMAs still
And I was savage in my attacks on Hillary. I supported Obama reluctantly but that was because I knew less about him than Hillary and didn't realize he'd be more of a corporate capitulator. I'm not fighting 2008. I'm fighting the present and what this President is doing NOW.

Rp
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:34 AM
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65. +1
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:48 PM
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77. That's the argument that I am supposed to present when I go knocking on doors?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:49 AM
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83. "Vote for Obama. The loony lefties hate him." Or something like that....
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:36 AM
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97. So, you're concerned more with pissing off liberals
And yet it's the "purists" who get accused around here of "advancing right-wing ideas."
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:29 PM
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9. He
sucks less than any of the Republicans.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:30 PM
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10. Here's one:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:35 PM
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This is the type of defense people need to hear ..
in my opinion.

The attacks from the other side are vicious and constant.

Good answer!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:27 AM
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:18 AM
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59. ....
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:48 AM
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66. Thank you for this!
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:29 AM
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:05 AM
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61. and yet the bowl still swirls
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:07 AM
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88. I stopped reading that when it refrenced "the list". Just fanboy nonsense.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:31 PM
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11. He makes those arguments when he is campaigning. Give it time
The man keeps his powder dry until his opposition has spent all of theirs, then he takes very careful aim before firing.


The arguments will be made at the proper time and in the proper place.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:31 PM
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12. He is a very intelligent person and generally makes good decisions.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:33 PM
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14. Plays well with others. nt
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:35 PM
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15. Great smile and gives good speeches. n/t
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:36 PM
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16. He has a beautiful intelligent wife, wonderful intelligent daughters and
an adorable intelligent dog. :-)
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:26 PM
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39. ...he was told he could keep them if he did as he was told. /nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 02:30 AM
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58. LOL
:spray: :thumbsup:
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Denninmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:39 PM
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17. There are many elderly Justices of the S.C.
Someone is most likely going to get multiple appointments 2013-2017. Far better Obama than any Republican.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:40 PM
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18. Because the other guys will probably put up this clown to run against him:
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:53 PM
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43. "Obama isn't a dumb-fuck, fundamentalist, anti-science, racist"
And that makes him better than everyone of the GOP candidates except Paul, Romney and Huntsman.

He's not a loose cannon, which makes him better than Ron Paul

He's not part of a religious group that's actively trying to subvert the constitution, which takes care of Romney AND Hunstman
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:48 AM
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82. Perry is a Bilderberg. THEY say who is going to be President.
He is the annointed one.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:41 PM
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19. He's a capable place-holder while the authentic Left matures & Labor gains strength, both of which
WILL be crushed and/or co-opted by a Republican.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:44 PM
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21. He said that fixing our economic mess would take years to fix.
Too many seem to forget that.

But apparently, the guy was supposed to not only stop the total collapse of the economy in record time, but to also return us to low unemployment and low deficits even faster.

Obama has been able to stop the collapse, but he can't hold our economy on his back forever. The GOP is trying to force it down, and sadly some on the left are trying to knee-cap Obama.

Earlier today, a DU OP basically said that its OK if Obama loses in 2012, because we need to "hit bottom" before we can "rise back up" ... assuming that after we "hit bottom", we'll have the ability to "rise back up". Brilliant strategy.

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:44 PM
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22. That he's pushed through more progressive legislation than any President since LBJ
Edited on Sat Aug-20-11 09:45 PM by Recursion
Despite having a much tougher Congress than any President since Truman. People's refusal to acknowledge that is irksome, but not particularly surprising; we saw it on the right with GWB too.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:52 PM
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24. While I disagree that negative arguments are not enough to win (they are often quite effective), a
Edited on Sat Aug-20-11 09:52 PM by BzaDem
good positive argument is that 30 million people will be able to go to the doctor more often than they were previously able to, because of his legislation.

That, along with the biggest re-regulation of the financial sector since FDR, and the biggest stimulus bill since FDR.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:52 PM
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25. How about this
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:54 PM
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26. I'd tell you,
but I'm not in the mood to be called a "sheep" or accused of reciting "the list."

Saying positive things about Obama on DU has become nothing but flamebait. I'm not playing.


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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:54 PM
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27. We finally got the 2000 Al Gore, ten years later....
Edited on Sat Aug-20-11 09:58 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...and with better stagecraft.

Nice establishment Democrat. Lots of Clinton people in for another do.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:57 PM
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28. don't change horses in the middle of a stream.
Edited on Sat Aug-20-11 10:01 PM by Tuesday Afternoon

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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:11 AM
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90. yes, when you are drowning in the stream, you get the hell OFF of any horse
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:19 AM
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92. Wish someone would have told Bewsh 43 voters that.
Instead, it was close enough to steal . . . again . . . and then the shitmess happened.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:35 AM
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96. the POTUS always seems to be just the right type of person to keep the shit flowing downhill
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:58 PM
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29. Because.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 09:58 PM
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30. Extended Benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:00 PM
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31. he`s better than anyone on the other side
he won`t be one of the greats
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postatomic Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:05 PM
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33. He's a great politician
He reminds me of Raygun. Kinda' clueless but he speaks with confidence.

I'm convinced that Obama will be re-elected so any conversation to the contrary is wasted breath. When he took office he jumped on a runaway train and the republicans have done everything they could to derail the 'train'.

Obama has an enormous 'war chest' to fund his re-election and none of the Zombies on the other side of the fence can match his money making abilities.

Maybe I'm a little clueless but I'd like to believe that Obama will kick in the 'after burners' once he is re-elected and start telling the republican Zombies to fuck off - be more of a leader and less of a politician. I'm a hopin'.

That's all I got.
:shrug:
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:07 PM
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34. He reversed the economic collapse, and returned the US to economic growth
...or at least that's basic argument that I think most people would consider important, and yet seem to have missed. So far, in spite of much obstruction, things are improving; slowly, of course, but improving.

Country over party, and the strength of a union made through compromise (contrasted with division, isolation, and weakness) is certainly another stance he has made clear, from way back in the race speech, where he put his values and hopes very eloquently. I don't think enough people listened to that well, as many things that he has done since seem to be based directly on that strong belief.

He makes the most sense if you listen to what he says, rather than the garbled and half-baked interpolations and 20-second sound bytes you get on the news.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:17 AM
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91. may I please have some of what you are smoking?
there is not one major metric that is improving to any significant degree, and most of the standards of measure now used to show even minuscule improvement are so fundamentally manipulated, falsified, mis-interpreted, and distorted that all semblance of reality has been lost.

If you think things are bad now (let alone getting better), you ain't seen NOTHING yet. And btw, I absolutely do not blame Obama first and foremost for this. He is simply a puppet, as was every US president since Dallas put an end to Kennedy's rebelliousness.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:09 PM
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35. He's dignified. Something you could never say about
his predecessor.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:18 PM
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36. Nothing would piss off the Repubs more than...
to say that President Obama saved this country from a terrible disaster, created by Republicans, and pulled our country out of one of the deepest holes it has ever been in.

If we want to win, these are the arguments we will have to make. If it requires a little exaggeration, then so be it. This is the way to fight back. Tear down their arguments. Build up what Barack Obama has done.

He saved our economy and our economic system. Yes, he spent some money in the process but saved trillions in the process.

Think big. Do not argue on small petty issues. It is about our country. It is about the world. It is about big things. Argue from that framework if you want President Obama to win.

Much of the anger from the left, in my opinion, comes from the fact that there is no fight. There is no defense against the attacks. The defenders of this President must start acting like angry populists if they want to win the next election.
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SavWriter Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:33 PM
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40. Sorry
We kept the PATRIOT Act. We kept all the things going that we hated about Bush. We escalated the war. We forgot the troops we were calling to be brought home. We got the Patient protection. But that isn't going to control costs. Nobody is even claiming it will anymore while tossing out thousands of waivers to corporate masters. We traded a Republican who was controlled by Halliburton for a Democrat who literally put GE in the Administration. They make the bloody weapons and systems to fight the war. Then while talking about jobs, his corporate master GE sends an entire division to China.

We need Howard Dean again. We need a Democrat like FDR. We got one like LBJ.
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:21 AM
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69. Whoa, now! Obama is NOTHING like LBJ.
LBJ's legislative record was, by any measure, incredible.
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SavWriter Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:12 PM
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72. Granted
LBJ gave us the Great Society. We started the War on Poverty we still have today. We got Medicare and we got Medicade. We also got the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which was a lie and a half. We sent Boys to Viet-Nam and we watched them die on the nightly news. All over a lie Johnson told to get us into a land war.

A sense of pride should come from Democrats, because back in those days, we would protest against Democrats to end the war. Today, not so much.

So President Obama has given us HCR, and a war in Libya, continued a war in Iraq which was started by another lie. Escallated an unwinnable war in Afghanistan. We have troops deployed all over the world, all in harms way, to fight an asinine war on Terror. We lost in Viet-Nam because we didn't respect the wishes of the average citizen. They had voted, and chosen a Communist Government. We decided to ignore that, and back a brutal and corrupt regime instead.

Today, we have the people of the nation telling us to get out. We tell the regime to become more brutal, and corrupt, to fight the wishes of the people. We announce we'll stay until 2024. Contrary to the promise we made a few short years ago. How is that not like the war LBJ got us into?

President Johnson lied to get Congressional Authorization in Viet-Nam. President Obama ignored the Congressional Requirement to get us into Libya. He decided that if American Troops were not on the ground, he didn't need Congressional Authorization to fire missiles and kill innocents. That wasn't a war, it was a Kinetic Military Action.

LBJ did good things with the Great Society, and horrible things in Viet-Nam. President Obama has done some great things with HCR, and some horrible things with Guantanamo, Rendition, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and worst of all the PATRIOT ACT which every Democrat should oppose. You can't tell me that we should support violating the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments to the Constitution over the Terrorist Boogie Man that Bush and the Repugs gave us.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:45 PM
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42. Please make the case that Obama saved the economy
and please make it in such a way that you think it might resonate as truthful with the majority of the voting public
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Cervantes Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:21 PM
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37. The ham sandwich argument
It's better to have a do-nothing president than a do-bad-things president.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:21 PM
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38. He's clean, nice breath, a class act all the way. n/t
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SavWriter Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 10:34 PM
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41. Do you realize
The most liberal candidate running is Ron Paul?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:22 AM
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70. Except for him being anti-choice, anti-gay and a racist!
He's not even a libertarian, he is interested in government control of individuals on the most basic level. Meddling in our own bodies. He's a Republican with some quirks, mostly about his own ego, he likes to stand out, likes to raise money and run for President!
He's a conservative, and a right wing one at that. His vision for America is a delusion that would be a nightmare were it to become reality, a nightmare for the vast majority of Americans.
I used to read his newsletters way back when, and I remember the ultra nasty content. Could not forget a thing like that.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:37 AM
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98. No, he isn't
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 11:39 PM
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44. He has made progress despite a Congress, White House, and media owned by corporate cash.
Obama may be working within confines we can't see. He has improved things incrementally without getting shot at or impeached.

I've said I'm not sure it's fair to expect him to stick his neck out. George W. Bush was able to bend the system to his will because his backers owned the system.

Those same backers still hold the balance of power in the media and Congress, and Obama had to make nice with Wall Street just to get in the door.

People act like the President can do whatever he wants, but there are people out there who can and will destroy Obama if he crosses too many lines.

The best advice I can give is to keep building progressive infrastructure, media, keep pushing the progressive narrative until the message starts to break through.

Top down presidencies don't work, and top-down change doesn't work.

The kind of change that is needed only comes from grass roots organizing, which is something that Obama has subtly been saying all along.

He says he needs people out in front of him, creating cover for progressive policies. I am inclined to take him at his word.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 11:56 PM
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48. Very well said
You have a good overview of the big reality picture. It won't go over well here but it is the truth.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 11:58 PM
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49. Thanks.
I've seen the way things have been going at DU lately and felt the need to exercise some reality checking.

It can get a lot worse, and will, if people don't get their heads on straight and start working for what they want.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 01:03 AM
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56. Despite a White House owned by Corporate Cash... and who is IN the White House?
Who appointed his staff?

Yeah that's Obama. He's the problem too.

Rp
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:43 AM
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99. He stuck his neck out PLENTY on HCR ...
First, GREAT POST ...

A refreshing REALITY based post, lost amid a sea of complete childish (yes, it is) nonsense bashing the guy ...

But, he stuck his neck out PLENTY on HCR. Whatever it ended up looking like, he did what Clinton failed to do, and what other presidennts failed to do. He could have played it safe and not taken it on, and he suffered GREATLY for the piling on of complete nonsense that the "liberal media" enabled. Right wingers deride it as SOCIALISM and the hard left hate it in the opposite.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 11:52 PM
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45. When the Democrats take back the House next year, Obama will have a much easier time solving our
problems. We won't take him "to the edge" to raise the debt ceiling.

Unemployment will come down and taxes will go up.
And those 2 things are certainties.

If Obama has a more liberal Congress to work with in 2013, the problems this country has will be solved faster and easier without all the Kabuki theater we have had to endure for the last 8 months.

Oh, and I almost forgot --
Mr. Boehner, where are the jobs?

Since that is what the GOP campaigned on last year, 12 months ago.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:36 AM
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54. I think Democrats will be lucky to hold the Senate next year much less retake the House.
You can wish and fantasize whatever you like, reality, however, is a harsh mistress.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:26 AM
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95. We had both Houses of Congress previously.
It didn't get a lot accomplished, not compared to what could have been. Including, but not limited to, the immediate removal of single-payer from the HCR talks before they even had gotten fully underway.

For those who don't remember, a handful of people appeared from practically nowhere to form a wholly new caucus and destroy our ability to get things done. So when we moved to oust them, what happened? Why, a whole new caucus formed in the 'Thug side, with the exact same goals (to destroy any Democratic progress). Then our party turned on itself, blaming those who ousted the first ones for creating the second ones. But what is overlooked is that every time the 'Thugs need a group to halt ANYTHING, a caucus always appears out of nowhere and does so.

This isn't an accident, and on the miraculous chance that we should win it all back AGAIN...the moment Obama goes to do something truly leftish, you only get one guess what will happen. Why look, a new Democratic caucus!
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 11:52 PM
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46. He is not Perry or Bachmann
but as a so-called Democrat...he sucks.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 11:53 PM
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47. Obama 2012: Tomorrow begins Today!
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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:03 AM
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50. A GOP president will put crazy assholes on the Supreme Court.
That's pretty much it.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:08 AM
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52. You could see having a Martini with him:
That's all I got.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 01:26 AM
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57. He's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. n/t
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:59 AM
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85. +1000
:rofl: hmmmmm, on 2nd thought :banghead:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:21 AM
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60. That he seems to inspire an obsession with the Presidency
or with himself, so that people ignore the rest of the factors in politics.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:13 AM
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62. Dresses well. nt
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:16 AM
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63. Of all the likely Whitehouse occupants
he will do the least harm.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:57 AM
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67. Good speaker. nt
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oldlib Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 08:18 AM
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68. He is bright
and an extremely capable individual. It's to bad that he isn't a stronger Democrat.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:33 PM
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73. Handsome, good family man, dignified, winning smile,etc....
He knows how to be a blank slate so that people can project what they want about him & that is helpful for a pol. He can rake in the corporate cash as well as any republican which is also helpful for a pol. He knows how to get things that are important to him done by compromise.

I could go on I suppose. He has many positives.


Problem is do all his positives out weigh his negatives? Not as of today, for me anyway. I can't just turn a blind eye while there is still a slim chance we could have someone who would lead from the left.

Primary him!!!

If I'm stuck voting for him again I will. I'm a Dem and always vote Dem.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:35 PM
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74. He eats his peas.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:03 AM
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87. He supports the capitalist class taking more peas away from Grandma.

I have no doubt that he "eats peas" but once you get to that level, peas aren't just "peas", they are "petits pois au beurre" and a plate of them (alongside a filet mignon or some sort of steamed sea creature) costs 40 grand.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:42 PM
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75. I've already started to forget him.
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 12:45 PM by kenny blankenship
We are in for worse, true- and his failure and cowardice is one of the top 2 reasons why.

The cravenness and cowardice of Senate Democrats is the other top reason.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:44 PM
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Ferricadouzer Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:30 AM
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79. He's not from Texas.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:39 AM
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80. The Republicans realizing that they could not win the last presidential election ...
decided to totally sabotage the economy to insure that there was no way that any Democrat who became President could take credit for a recovery. And they are still doing everything within their power to delay the recovery and insure Obama's defeat.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 12:49 PM
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102. Nobody ever wants to lose money. That is a fact.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:47 AM
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81. "Not a Republican" seems to be the Democratic party's platform for 2012.
Sorry but I don't owe someone a vote simply because they're not a Republican.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 10:53 AM
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84. He is a semi-firewall who can, to a somewhat small degree,pacify the people of colour as the bricks
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 10:56 AM by stockholmer
of civilisation lost continue to bludgeoned them relentlessly during the collapsing days of empiric America.

Or to be less flowery, the African-Americans will take slightly longer to riot (if a racially-tinged flashpoint occurs) under Obama than a Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, or Sarah Palin.

I also like the fact he smokes cigarettes. Seriously.

As for good intention, and the myth that 'Obama will someday do what he really wants to, deep in his heart', I think that he does believe that he is doing the right thing, and he IS DOING what is deep in his heart. He is a believer in deep-rooted systemic control of an entrenched elite, and he does believe that without the global banking overlords, the world descends into chaos.

For that (whether he actually believes it, or simply allows it to happen), he deserves never-ending scorn and contempt, just as anyone charting the same course in such stratus-levels of power and influence (be they Democratic or Republican) most assuredly does.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:02 AM
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86. Actually, "[h]e's not a Republican" may be a strong enough argument to win the next election.
Given that his dismal standing in the polls is exceeded by the even more dismal standing of his opponents.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:10 AM
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89. Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan as opposed to Roberts and Alito n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:25 AM
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93. The best argument I can make?
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 11:26 AM by LWolf
"He's not a Republican" is not a strong enough argument to win the next election.

He is not a Republican like he's not DLC; he may not have formal membership, but he certainly favors Republicans and Republican policies when it comes to his version of "compromise."

Perhaps you might say that he saved us from another Great Depression? At least, so far, if the Republicans don't screw it up even more? No, I wouldn't say that. I'd say his economic policies are aggressively neo-liberal, which got us into this mess to begin with.

Perhaps you might argue that his stimulus program, although too small, kept unemployment from going to 12% or 13%?

No, I wouldn't argue that. I'd argue that his solutions helped the large and screwed us.

Perhaps you might say that he put country over Party and saved this country from unknown hardships?

FUCK no. He put helping the CAUSES of hardship over helping us.

Perhaps you might argue that history will judge him as one of our greatest Presidents?

Not in this universe.

Let's try to focus on the positive. Give us the big picture.

Okay. A person of color was elected in racist America. That's all I've got.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:25 AM
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94. Someone's already done it
in an open letter to Representative Lee.

*snip^


The newest political strategy is to turn the African-American community against the first black president. The idea is to get black folks to scream at the President and to threaten to withhold our support come November 2012. Due to the very high unemployment rate in the black community, this could be an easy sell. The well-paid professional propagandists dont ask African-Americans to lay the blame for the lack of employment at the feet of the business world (which is hoarding up a couple of trillions in their rainy-day fund), or to consider the fact that governors everywhere are cutting down on the public sector workforce (comprised of large numbers of black Americans per capita), or to holler at the Republican-dominated House, which has blocked most of the job-creating programs introduced by Democrats. Instead, they want us to aim our fire solely at our President and to blame him for 30 years of white mens policies.

*snip*

Considering 2.7 years as the current timetable of his accomplishments, I would note that President Obama has reformed the health care system, which will provide subsidies for lower-income individuals who may not currently be covered (many who are AA), and also provides funding for badly needed community clinics, while doing away with pre-existing condition restrictions such as diabetes, high blood pressure, and coronary heart disease, all ailments suffered in alarming rates by members of the black community.

In addition, women will soon get birth control free of charge if insured, which means that women who were previously going to Planned Parenthood - because, even with insurance, they couldn't afford the price of contraceptives - wont need to anymore. This leaves women who are uninsured more resources to get birth control via Planned Parenthood. Plus, the stimulus saved the biggest health care provider to the black community, the various state Medicaid programs. As well, the President closed the Medicare donut hole in prescription drugs, reduced seniors' prescription prices by 50% through the use of generic drugs, and sent $250 payments to seniors to make up to the lack of a COLA increase for two years now.

Further, the President literally, by his lonesome, saved the auto industry (while being criticized for it all the while), and in so doing saved many jobs held by African-Americans in the Midwest. No less, the Cash for Clunkers program provided needed cash to those with clunkers permanently parked or about to stop running.


Lots more @ link: http://www.democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.ph...

Julie
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:19 PM
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104. Forget it, Jules. Its DUtown.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 05:22 PM
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105. Been there, done that.....
and will continue making the case....

here's some of that:

The Moment of Truth & BTW, What Have the GOP Done Lately?
http://grannystandingfortruth.blogspot.com/
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